Does the UK need a nuclear deterrent?
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Does the UK need a nuclear deterrent?
Why do we need these weapons of mass distruction?
To stop us being invaded seems to be the answer?
Just walk down any street in the UK we have been invaded and over run already.
Waste of money.
Does the UK need a nuclear deterrent?
We should use them - of at least threaten to. I would make to a quick end of the Iraq war. Swift and effective.
So There, South of England, United Kingdom
I believe every country needs some kind of nuclear deterrent but are you seriously suggesting bombing iraq with a nuke? That is crazy.
widuran Bertram, Letchworth, United Kingdom
Yes. I'm sick of it. Let's end it like we did with Japan in WW2. It did the job then, and it will do the job now. Game over.
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Actually, a biological or chemical arsenal would be more effective as a deterrant as we are far more likely to use those - they don't destroy the oil when we decide to anihilate the rag heads!
Does the UK need a nuclear deterrent?
Of course we still need a nuclear deterrent! The Soviet Union may not exist anymore, but its nuclear arsenal does, they still have over 10,000 warheads that can be pointed at us in a matter of minutes; and don’t forget China’s arsenal!
We are also right in trying to stop states like Iran from gaining the bomb. Proliferation worries aside, we need to remember that a major part of their government is controlled by backward thinking religious elements.
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"we already HAVE been invaded. Smith and Jones were once the most common surnames; now they are Patel and Singh."
I don't think it counts as an invasion if you invite them over to rebuild your economy after losing a large chunk of your workforce in a war. Also I don't remember the Vikings paying tax.
Moron.
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Alternatively we could keep the money and if ever we needed Nuclear weapons then maybe George bush could give his girlfriend Tony a couple as a birthday present.
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The comments about the UK being invaded if we do NOT have a nuclear deterrent are so ignorantly laughable it's, well, funny! Who's going to invade us? Why? What do we have that anyone would want? Oh, and for your information: we already HAVE been invaded. Smith and Jones were once the most common surnames; now they are Patel and Singh. We've had a nuclear deterrent since the 60s but it hasn't stopped the UK from becoming an outpost of Asia. So why waste the money? Spend it on useful things!!!
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Oh, and for anyone who is actually interested in real evidence as opposed to rhetoric and propoganda about 9/11 I suggest you check out Professor Steven Jones peer-reviewed case study Why Indeed Did the WTC Buildings Collapse at physics911.net. Also watch some of Dr. David Ray Griffin's videos on Google video. I can guarantee you will not be unmoved by them. The evidence against the official version of events is damning in the extreme.
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"For your information: we already HAVE been invaded. Smith and Jones were once the most common surnames; now they are Patel and Singh. We've had a nuclear deterrent since the 60s but it hasn't stopped the UK from becoming an outpost of Asia." ~ PropogandaMatrix
Is that what really happened? I don't think you can call UK-invited immigration an invasion. That's rather insulting to our former colonies.
Anyway, the money would only be spent on their cremation of care. Nothing of any note.
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If we all give up nuclear weapons, what's to stop the likes of the 9/11 bombers from getting hold of the technology and holding everyone who doesn't sign up to their extremist views to ransom? Would you trust them with a nuke? Paul Hartley, Nottingham, United Kingdom
I wouldn't trust them, no, but it's too late anyway. The culprits of 9/11 were the US government. That has been proven, despite the fact that most prefer to believe the crazy notion that savages in a cave did it!!
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hmmm so the idea is you obtain peace through having the biggest weapon right? so if we keep building bigger and more powerful weapons then we will get safer and safer right? So eventually we will invent a weapon so powerful that we can blibk out all of humanity with the click of a button......then we will really be safe won't we??
There really are some short-sighted war-mongering morons on this site.
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If tony blair could take his hand out of george bush's trousers for more than five minutes then maybe this government could sit down and have a serious discussion on what is a serious subject.
Does the UK need a nuclear deterrent?
Personally, I recommend building a new Grand Fleet and shelling bejaysus out of any johnny-upstarts. Remember, many major cities are near the coast! Ah, the good old days...
Does the UK need a nuclear deterrent?
"We should use them - of at least threaten to. I would make to a quick end of the Iraq war. Swift and effective."
So There, South of England, United Kingdom"
Maybe dropping one on So There's house on the way would be fairly productive too... Moron!
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'"Exactly when did President Ahmedinejad say he wanted to 'wipe Israel off the map'? Do you understand Farsi? Or is this something you've read in the right-wing media? It's merely Zionist propaganda that feeds warmongers."
'Wu Shu
'On the 8th of December 2005, Wu Shu. Try this link ******** /4510922.stm and then apologise for your ignorance to the guy you have just offended.' ~ Barry Lane, UK
No, Barry, it is you who is wrong: tinyurl.com/jvjva
Does the UK need a nuclear deterrent?
I think the concept of a "nuclear deterrent" is incredibly outdated. Warfare has changed radically over the past 40 years, it's not like there are boundary defined enemies anymore. I doubt suicide bombers (al la July 7th) would be put off by Britain's proposed Trident update programme.
Aled Morris,
Depends what you point them at.
Why don’t we target Mecca, Medina and a couple of other Holy Hot-spots.
First sign of trouble, we total them.
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Maybe dropping one on So There's house on the way would be fairly productive too... Moron!
chris kyle, Bognor Regis,
Typical leftie - When someone disagrees with you, abuse them.
Why not go for a fact-based rebutall instead.
Of that's right, the facts don't support your argument, as always.
Oh well, back to the leftie abuse.
Has anyone had a go at Thatcher yet?
Does the UK need a nuclear deterrent?
I could not think of a better friend than the USA.
Brad Stone, Essex, United Kingdom
Tell that to the families of the people who died on July 7th 2005.
Does the UK need a nuclear deterrent?
Never has the security of our islands been so under threat and it is churlish to imagine ourselves as being defenceless.
There is also a huge threat from the enemies within, but that is another issue.
Chris Green, Hagley, Stourbridge, Worcs, United Kingdom
I think you'll find that the threat from Napoleon, the Kaiser and Hitler was considerably greater. But good scaremongering to support your view. I take it the internal threat are the BNP Nazis? I could certainly nuke them!
Does the UK need a nuclear deterrent?
"Exactly when did President Ahmedinejad say he wanted to 'wipe Israel off the map'? Do you understand Farsi? Or is this something you've read in the right-wing media? It's merely Zionist propaganda that feeds warmongers."
Wu Shu
On the 8th of December 2005, Wu Shu. Try this link ******** /4510922.stm and then apologise for your ignorance to the guy you have just offended.
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Fact: This government is run by a bunch of brown nosed, mucky rent boys that should never have a pay rise ever again.
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"If you actually investigated you will find then when asked Israel did NOT apologise but blamed Palestinian terrorists. So they are no better than the terrorists." - widuran Bertram, Letchworth
I investigated and I read reports of the prime minister and defence minister's regrets. They also blamed the terrorists too. Which is fair enough, because if the Palestinian terrorists didn't keep shooting bloody rockets all the time, Israel wouldn't have needed to respond!
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...and you really think that would have happened even if we had nothing to do with Iraq then? The word naive springs to mind.
Woo Hoo, Europe
We're getting somewhat off topic I know but:
I disagree with elements of US/UK foreign policy. However I do not feel the urge to go out and murder random innocent civilians. If you pull the trigger, you are responsible no matter the injustice (real or perceived). Stop making excuses for these scum. They killed, they are the murderers. No one else
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"Trident.What the B****Y H**L is it for ?" Who said that ? A left wing militant ? Ken Livingstone (or another hate figure in fashion ?)NO, IT WAS FIELD MARSHAL LORD CARVER.
If the military don`t even want it, then why the B***y H**l should we ??????
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Yes of course Phil, that's right. The BNP are the ones who have undergone terrorist training in the middle east, blown up trains and buses and are planning to do more of the same in the future.
Suggestion - Try taking your blinkers off occasionally. It's a big world out there and there is a lot more to it than the editorial column of the Socialist Worker (sic) will tell you about.
[Harry-Flashman]
The BNP are nazis and deserve to be nuked just like the terrorists.
Does the UK need a nuclear deterrent?
The BNP are nazis and deserve to be nuked just like the terrorists.
widuran Bertram,
Are you sure you don't want to join?
Wanting to incinerate people just because you don't like their political beliefs! You sound fairly fascist yourself.
Does the UK need a nuclear deterrent?
Dang and here I was thinking it was homegrown Islamic fruitcakes who were responsible. Ah well, live and learn.
Tony Sweeting, Leicester, United Kingdom
...and you really think that would have happened even if we had nothing to do with Iraq then? The word naive springs to mind.
Does the UK need a nuclear deterrent?
One day it is announced that road charging will take £28bn from us, just for the privilege of driving. The next day it is announced that upto £25bn is to be spent on replacing Trident. Assuming that the taxpayer pays for both, that’s £53bn we will be shelling out. Who suddenly feels a bit skint?!
Or maybe the government wants to use our £28bn from road charging to pay for trident. Isn't the timing of these two announcements quite convenient?! Who thinks the £28bn will be spent on roads now?
Does the UK need a nuclear deterrent?
Are you trying to imply that Islam is evil, and by extension, all millions of Muslims are therefore evil by default. If so, isn't that somewhat racist?
Alois Irlmaier
Surely "muslim" is a description of a person who follows the islamic religion. I don't think rhe word "muslim" describes a member of a particular race. Are there not white european muslims?
Does the UK need a nuclear deterrent?
If Trident was used for ethnic cleansing would it be a nuclear detergent?
Does the UK need a nuclear deterrent?
Yes of course Phil, that's right. The BNP are the ones who have undergone terrorist training in the middle east, blown up trains and buses and are planning to do more of the same in the future.
[Harry-Flashman]
no, but it seems they have undergone the same "making propaganda" training that the nazi's underwent, and deluded people like you seem to be falling for their disgusting racist bile.
Does the UK need a nuclear deterrent?
We use our nuclear tech responsibly, but can you trust others to be similarly responsible? Religious nutcases like Bush and some others cannot be trusted with powerful weapons. But that fact is no reason to disarm ourselves.
Does the UK need a nuclear deterrent?
The new Trident missiles are not under exclusive UK control. A US officer aboard each sub has a key which he can only use if the US President says so. UK pays for the UK PM to have a veto over the use of a very small part of the vast US arsenal. Against which civilian populations -and in what circumstances- does Mr Blair think that he or his successors would be morally justified in agreeing to fire these WMDs on America’s behalf? He –and his supporters- are clearly mad!
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Target
My latest Sat-Nav has you pin-pointed big boy,
and as I have pressed the button first, I'll have the seventy virgins - You can be the martyr.
[natomas], Denny, United Kingdom
Aggressor
I don't think you understand Westerner. My life is nothing. I care not if I live or die. Nothing you can threaten me with has any meaning to me. My life is your death. My death is my salvation. Your nuclear weapons cannot destroy my belief only strengthen it. Be afraid Westerner - we are coming...
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Aggressor
Do your worst you infidel - if you kill me I will become a martyr and have 70 blessed virgins in heaven. And by the way I represent no established state so you have nobody to fire your missiles at. I always thought western politicians were fools...
Francis Urquhart, London, United Kingdom
Target
My latest Sat-Nav has you pin-pointed big boy,
and as I have pressed the button first, I'll have the seventy virgins - You can be the martyr.
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I take it the internal threat are the BNP who aim to destabilise society with racism?
phil b,
Yes of course Phil, that's right. The BNP are the ones who have undergone terrorist training in the middle east, blown up trains and buses and are planning to do more of the same in the future.
Suggestion - Try taking your blinkers off occasionally. It's a big world out there and there is a lot more to it than the editorial column of the Socialist Worker (sic) will tell you about.
Does the UK need a nuclear deterrent?
NO NO NO.... The UK needs a new leader, that doesn't have his head up President Bush's rear end....
Does the UK need a nuclear deterrent?
Perhaps we should declare the UK as a Neutral country and dispense with all this horrendously costly military power-mongering crap. Seems to work very well for the citizens of neutral countries.
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If we did get rid of the bomb, what would Tony do?
'On my signal - unleash Prescott'
WHEEEEEEEEEeeee e e e
BOOM!!!
That's gotta be 1 megga ton at least... HA HA HA
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"...You say that like it's a bad thing.. :P" -
"The most democratic and least theocratic MiddleEastern state,people of all genders and sexualities have rights, as well as Israeli Arabs."
It was tongue in cheek.Freedom of speech? As long as you're not Palestinian. Freedom of sexuality? See the recent uprising of Ultra Orthodox protesters against Gay Pride marches where people were stabbed on live tv. We are supposed to learn from history, clearly Isreal have forgotten what happened in WW2.
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In my opinion for the Archbishop of Canterbury to talk of "morality" in relation to the question of Trident being up-dated or not is, to say the least, unfortunate. The Archbishop suffers from "moral delirium tremens". He has said that he cannot understand why there is still predjudice and bigotry against Homosexuals, when he should know, if he has ever read the Bible that it has nothing to do with "predjudice and bigotry", it is God's law given to Moses. Or does he mean that they are not IN
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phil b, United Kingdom
Typical leftist & revisionist nonsense & propaganda from you Phil, but we do come to expect nothing more from you.
You lefty lot cannot stand the fact that the only reason you have a Great Britain to denigrate & abuse today is because of our American allies & their tremendous sacrifices for us & Europe.
Peace through strength - & unity in our cause through our established historical friends & international partners.
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Britain needs nuclear weapons, who knows what the future holds, and the future is just around the corner. David Simpson, Istanbul,..
What an ignorant man! You have no idea about what it is you speak. A plank of the highest order.
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We've had a nuclear deterrent since the fifities.
.... etc
It didn't stop the threats listed at all, because that is not what they're for.
have you ever seen the guy with the big car and a small penis? Next time you get chance to stand next to Kim Jong Il, George Bush and Tony blair in the toilets, have a quick look, I think you'll get what I mean.
Still, if anyone else is going to have them, then we should all have them.
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There is nothing 'romantic' or 'wishy-washy' about it. Ignore the church at your peril.
Guy Troup, Exeter
Thats right - afterall your Church has killed more people than nuclear weapons have.
I am not surprised militant religion is threatening us on this & attempting to usurp man made democratic laws, its what it does best on behalf of its invisible friends & dieties.
Does the UK need a nuclear deterrent?
No we should spend the money developing alternative fuels instead of oil and hydrocarbons.
Then the muslim terrorists would have no oil money to buy weapons with, and Iran would have no money to threaten Israel and us with.
Also we would be able to stop muslim immigration - and the terrrorism it brings - without fear of an oil blockade from the Arabs.
It would also be better for the environment a real win win solution.
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Typical BBC - your "in pictures" feature on nuclear weapons - we've got Welsh, numerous Scottish, Pakistani, Japanese, Indian all having their say - NOT ONE SINGLE WHITE ENGLISHMAN - sheer PC positive discrimination - I loathe the BBC and hate the idea of having to pay a poll tax for institutionalised liberalism. Get rid of the licence fee NOW. And yes of course we need a new deterrant
Does the UK need a nuclear deterrent?
If Trident was used for ethnic cleansing would they be a nuclear detergent?
Does the UK need a nuclear deterrent?
We should certainly have them and, what is more, we should be ready and willing to use them! If responsibility for any future 9/11 or 7/7-style attack can be traced to any given country, a major city in that country should be selected and erased from the map as a warning to others.
Does the UK need a nuclear deterrent?
British forces have failed in their objectives in Iraq and Afghanistan because they weren't good enoygh. Giving such incompetents a huge sum of money for more equipment is simply stupid.
Tony Blair is expected to set out plans for a new generation of nuclear-powered submarines to carry Trident missiles.
The lifespan of the current system ends in 2024 but MPs will vote on the white paper now to ensure the replacement, which could cost up to £25bn, is ready by then.
How important is an independent nuclear deterrent for UK security? Is there still a nuclear threat? Would the money be spent on different defence equipment? Send us your comments.
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