Is the UK becoming a 'surveillance society'?

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Are controls needed on the level of surveillance and CCTV in the UK?

The information commissioner has warned of a "climate of fear" unless he gets greater powers to counteract "excessive surveillance."

Richard Thomas said limits should be drawn to prevent unnecessary intrusion, leaked information and mistaken identity.

Mr Thomas, who is giving evidence to a Commons committee, has recommended privacy impact assessments on all proposed schemes.

How do you feel about surveillance in the UK? Does CCTV help make our society safer? Are you worried about your privacy? Should safeguards be introduced?

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Is the UK becoming a 'surveillance society'?

Written by bob bobwell, dubai on Tue May 01 12:37:54 UTC 2007. 1 recommendations.

These statistics are shocking - a reactively moderated thread with *no* rejected comments?

You f**king c*cksuckers aren't trying hard enough.

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Written by [Westernmac], United Kingdom on Tue May 01 13:15:37 UTC 2007. 0 recommendations.

Now you're just being smug! How about Plato's Republic, Thomas More's Utopia or for more dysutopic subject matter Clockwork Orange, Ape and Essence or Bend Sinister?

LeftLiberal AndProud

Fahrenheit 451 - one of the classics of dystopian fiction. Unfortunately, we are headed for a post literate society. Or worse, when our oxymoronic friend starts inventing words - dysutopic? Shame on you!

Your grasp of language is as good as your grasp on reality.

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Written by [harold-flashman] on Tue May 01 13:17:47 UTC 2007. 0 recommendations.

it is never the white Englishmans fault!
[widuran]

Just remind me how many of the terrorists jailed yesterday were white Englishmen??
labour wastes taxes,

Be fair. Criminals come in all colours and or all ethnic origins.
The important difference is that if an immigrant criminal hadn’t been allowed in, he would have committed his crimes in another country.

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Written by LeftLiberal AndProud on Tue May 01 13:16:18 UTC 2007. 0 recommendations.

Socrates is your man, but Plato was a phoney

Nathaniel Spoonbucket

The whole idea of eternal forms strikes me as barmy. A table IS a table there isn't an eternal table out there somewhere. And he wanted to ban theatre! When he got a chance of power he fluffed it. He also probably made up most of what Socrates is supposed to have said. He was also a racist. He would probably have been a rave on HYS. Aristotle is the greek philosopher for me, observation and experiment.

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Written by labour wastes taxes, yarm uk on Tue May 01 13:15:24 UTC 2007. 0 recommendations.

Remember crimes are commited by UK nationals as well as a minority of immigrants. But what the hell have a go at immigrants anyway it is never the white Englishmans fault!

[widuran]

Just remind me how many of the terrorists jailed yesterday were white Englishmen??

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Written by Nathaniel Spoonbucket on Tue May 01 13:06:12 UTC 2007. 0 recommendations.

How about Plato's Republic?
LLP

Plato was a right old con. He said the best way to run society was to create an iron-fist dictatorship and give total executive power to an esteemed and well-trusted philosopher for life!?!

Talk about self promotion!!!!

And by the end he was all grumbling about young people's haircuts and disrespecting philospohers is a capital offence.

Socrates is your man, but Plato was a phoney

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Written by atomjohn lee, derby, United Kingdom on Tue May 01 13:02:01 UTC 2007. 2 recommendations.

I love the cameras - It gives me a kick to make rude faces at them.
I want to take up flashing at them too - but there always seems to be someone watching!

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Written by leftwing lefty, United Kingdom on Tue May 01 14:18:05 UTC 2007. 0 recommendations.

Hitler WAS a socialist.Russell Long, Tonbridge, Kent, United Kingdom

Yes but that "socialist" party was anti marxist and atni Jewish as well. It was a mixed up party. He turned this party into a racist right wing party. So Hitler was NOT a socialist. Everyone knows that.
I agree we should all vote on Thursday.UKIP are elitist.In my town they only give leaflets to house owners and not flat owners.I won't vote Tory, Labour or UKIP.So only Lib dems and greens left for me. Whom should it be?

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Written by Dan Dover on Tue May 01 14:24:08 UTC 2007. 0 recommendations.

"Hitler WAS a socialist. That's why he led the National Socialist Party. What do they teach in schools nowadays besides the Slave Trade and Mary Seacole?"

Russell Long, Tonbridge, Kent, United Kingdom

Hitler had the word socialist in his party name. My friend's cat is called Satan. Names, by definition, are nominal.

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Written by Roy Dickinson, Boca de Uchire, Venezuela on Tue May 01 14:23:26 UTC 2007. 0 recommendations.

Politicans are all corporate lackeys, why do you think my President Hugo Chavez gets such venomous press, because he's fighting corporate greed and helping the poor improve their lives with the profits from Venezuelas natural resources, how long before the CIA assinates him ?

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Written by [Westernmac], United Kingdom on Tue May 01 14:23:11 UTC 2007. 1 recommendations.

But having a go at me WAS on topic? I'm confused.
LeftLiberal AndProud

And airing your knowledge of dystopian literature was on topic? I chose to tease you a little rather than call the moderators.

I just hate this sterile name calling - Lefty/Bigot etc., but I can't a resist a quiet dig at one of the worst culprits. I'd have a go at some of the loony right as well but they're too dumb to notice.

So don't be confused, it would trouble my tender heart too much.

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Written by [Harry-Flashman] on Tue May 01 14:23:07 UTC 2007. 0 recommendations.

I read the book months ago and this country is no way as near to that. It isn't even close.
leftwing lefty,

Really?

You and a couple of other guys on here define ‘Goodthinkful.’

It’s not an exact match, but the parallels are scary.

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Written by Shaman Williams on Tue May 01 14:20:35 UTC 2007. 0 recommendations.

"Yes but that "socialist" party was anti marxist and atni Jewish as well. It was a mixed up party. He turned this party into a racist right wing party. So Hitler was NOT a socialist.

LeftwingLefty"

He WAS a socialist. Sorry you don't like admitting it, but he was without doubt a socialist. Hence the full name of the Nazi Party: the National Socialist German Workers' Party, aka NSDAP, aka Nazis.

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Written by [caltech1] on Tue May 01 14:19:46 UTC 2007. 182 recommendations.

I agree we should all vote on Thursday.UKIP are elitist.In my town they only give leaflets to house owners and not flat owners.I won't vote Tory, Labour or UKIP.So only Lib dems and greens left for me. Whom should it be?

leftwing lefty,

Try the BNP, much more radical.

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Written by Michael Jamieson on Tue May 01 14:33:05 UTC 2007. 0 recommendations.

Re: Hitler - if it acts like a Socialist, quacks like a Socialist, and tells you itself that it's a Socialist then ... it's a Socialist. Of course the Nazis were Socialists. So too were the Stalinists and Saddam's Ba'athists.

"Fascism" was an authoritarian Italian political ideology, whose most famous figure was Mussolini.

The far right and the far left meet in that ground called authoritarianism, where they become indistinguishable from each other. It has ever been thus.

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Written by Bartholomew Nonce-Amplebottom, Little Bumpstead, United Kingdom on Tue May 01 13:49:38 UTC 2007. 0 recommendations.

They are citizens of the Ummah their citizenship should now be forfeit.
Righty Rightwing

"Would you suggest David Copeland, the white Nazi terrorist nail bomber should have his citizenship removed?" LLP

Or The White Wolves, The Combat18 spin-off gang who put bombs in gay bars and brick lane a few years ago? They were dedicated believers in white UK society, but no better than these 5.

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Written by [magic_lantern], London, Papua New Guinea on Tue May 01 14:08:55 UTC 2007. 1 recommendations.

Bartholomew Nonce-Amplebottom, Little Bumpstead, United Kingdom

Yes he really was a card holding member of the communist party. Go use your web browser to check it out if you know how to use a computer properly, rather than spending your time junking peoples posts Mr zero recommend.

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Written by LeftLiberal AndProud on Tue May 01 14:08:17 UTC 2007. 2 recommendations.

Please stop trying to reduce terrorism to a simple equation of skin colour and/or religion. If only it were that simple. Fanatics come in all shapes and sizes.

This debate is about surveillance. We are the most watched society in Europe but it doesn't seem to help. So is there too much or is it just the wrong variety?
Discuss

[Westernmac],
But having a go at me WAS on topic? I'm confused. Still, in this case, you are right. Unfortunately EVERY debate is an excuse for immigrant bashing

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Written by Russell Long, Tonbridge, Kent, United Kingdom on Tue May 01 14:07:35 UTC 2007. 0 recommendations.

"Gordon Brown is a Marxist Chancellor???
Are you the same lunatic that was insisting Adolf Hitler was a socialist last week?

Bartholomew Nonce-Amplebottom, Little Bumpstead, United Kingdom "

Hitler WAS a socialist. That's why he led the National Socialist Party. What do they teach in schools nowadays besides the Slave Trade and Mary Seacole?

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Written by bob bob, United Kingdom on Tue May 01 14:04:26 UTC 2007. 1 recommendations.

Considering how often you've been banging on about your IQ, I don't doubt that's 85.

William B, Cambridge, United Kingdom


Lay off teresa if I were you mate. She's considered a bit of a thinker in HYS circles and is always cutting through the fog of convention and existential wossname to deliver Lah Mott Just on any topic.

I'd love a singed photo.

(PS I am mad)

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Written by Canon Fodder on Tue May 01 14:03:26 UTC 2007. 1 recommendations.

"In other words there's little point stopping and searching an 80 year old chinese woman and every point in searching ceratin other minorities."
[Peter_Sym], Nottingham

"Excuse me 80 year old chinese woman, can I help you carry that bag" said the terrorist.
If they only search one profile, criminals will adapt and use non-suspect profiles. Eventually they will have to search everyone, only after having learnt the hard way.

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Written by Cyber Cohen on Tue May 01 14:03:05 UTC 2007. 1 recommendations.

Yes - even the moderators on this site are continuously delaying, and not even posting reasonable comments and observations.

For example, I sent following early yesterday, and it is still waiting for a moderator (re: Turkey):

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Strange how people of Islamic background are supporting democracy in this HYS, and those that 'benefit' from democracy have views that oppose democracy (in this case).
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There are others that have been sitting in the queue for several days.

Cyber_Cohen.

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Written by William B, Cambridge, United Kingdom on Tue May 01 14:00:53 UTC 2007. 1 recommendations.

"I am a 37 26 34 of mixed race and my IQ is 85! You shopuld check out Teresacam!

Theresa Greene, Reading, Berks."

Considering how often you've been banging on about your IQ, I don't doubt that's 85.

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Written by Bartholomew Nonce-Amplebottom, Little Bumpstead, United Kingdom on Tue May 01 14:00:46 UTC 2007. 1 recommendations.

A labour government and a marxist chancellor (Gordo was a card holding member of the communist party)...you only have yourselves to blame for voting them in. Some of us saw this coming 10 years ago.

magic_lantern, London, Papua New Guinea


Gordon Brown is a Marxist Chancellor???
Are you the same lunatic that was insisting Adolf Hitler was a socialist last week?

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Written by Katy Slade, Bristol, United Kingdom on Tue May 01 14:11:45 UTC 2007. 1 recommendations.

I'd love a singed photo.

(PS I am mad)

bob bob, United Kingdom



Are you a mad pyromaniac then?

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Written by James O'Coggs, Colchester on Tue May 01 15:17:59 UTC 2007. 2 recommendations.

"So tomorrow, vote for anyone you like except the BNP and their fellow travellers. Their kind of racist authoritarianism is simply not British.

LiberalLeft AndProud, United Kingdom"

The Liberal Left are egaliterian and pure are they ? Except that they love telling everybody else what to do, measuring them, judging them, tweaking them - sod off control freak I'll vote for whoever I like.

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Written by [caltech1] on Tue May 01 15:09:33 UTC 2007. 177 recommendations.

Why did my previous comment get removed despite having at least 15 recommendations, the fact that we live in a high surveilance society, installed by NuLabour and that the Tories, Lib Dems, UKIP partys will carry on with this policy despite public opinion, is very relevant to this HYS. I WILL NOT HAVE MY FREEDOM OF SPEECH DICTATED TO BY LEFTY LEFTWINGS OF BBC MODERATORS.

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Written by [caltech1] on Tue May 01 15:32:23 UTC 2007. 3 recommendations.

1) I'm not Widuran
2) I'm a pro-capitalist who believes in a mixed economy
3) Nick Griffin is a convicted Holocaust denier who makes ALL decisions for the BNP.

LeftLiberal AndProud

Hi Widuran, prove to me the holocaust did happen as they say, aah you read it in the history books written by the winning side, so it must be true, soon in this country I will get locked up for saying things like that so this comment is very on topic. That is the real reasons for cameras everywhere, control

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Written by LiberalLeft AndProud, United Kingdom on Tue May 01 15:15:22 UTC 2007. 3 recommendations.

I would be nice to stay on topic, but I'll be damned if I will let racists dominate every HYS with their mad obsessions.

So tomorrow, vote for anyone you like except the BNP and their fellow travellers. Their kind of racist authoritarianism is simply not British.

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Written by The Devil's Advocate on Tue May 01 15:35:49 UTC 2007. 4 recommendations.

Hi Widuran, prove to me the holocaust did happen as they say, aah you read it in the history books written by the winning side caltech1

Look Sh-it bag... I've been to Birkenau and many of my family ended up their with MILLIONS of others. You read about it in books written by insane haters. If you are so inadequate that you need a uniform... be a lollipop lady. You're a moron, leave thinking to others.

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Written by LeftLiberal AndProud on Tue May 01 15:34:45 UTC 2007. 4 recommendations.

Except that they love telling everybody else what to do, measuring them, judging them, tweaking them - sod off control freak I'll vote for whoever I like.

James O'Coggs, Colchester

Your incisive riposte has changed my mind. I'm off to buy some jackboots and vote BNP tomorrow. I just hope people realise what a mistake voting for the racists as a protest would be. You would be playing into the hands of all anti-democrats including "islamic" terrorists. Vote UKIP if you have to, but not BNP

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Written by Righty Rightwing on Tue May 01 15:33:42 UTC 2007. 2 recommendations.

LeftLiberal AndProud

Liberalleft & proud.

So, you do at least admit to having multiple identities here at HYS then.

No doubt this disgraceful usurping of the Readers Recommended system is ok with you & your left wing friends because you are "right"?

"Hypocrit" & "usurper" immediately spring to mind..

And please, Neo Labour are a left wing party - they have introduced us to the CCTV age - & yes, a primary driver for that is the fact that they lost control of our borders.

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Written by Para Handy on Tue May 01 15:32:35 UTC 2007. 0 recommendations.

Furthermore...

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Written by Para Handy on Tue May 01 15:31:07 UTC 2007. 1 recommendations.

Obviously this HYS is being monitored for any signs of anti-ness.

So, I just want to say....

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Written by LeftLiberal AndProud on Tue May 01 15:25:24 UTC 2007. 0 recommendations.

As you . are firmly un-British, & the fact that you would side with the devil himself if he was wearing an anti capitalist teeshirt, why oh why would anyone with good conscience listen to you?
I remind you that the BNP fulfil all criteria to qualify as a democratic & legal political party in the UK
Righty Rightwing

1) I'm not Widuran
2) I'm a pro-capitalist who believes in a mixed economy
3) Nick Griffin is a convicted Holocaust denier who makes ALL decisions for the BNP. Stealth Nazi

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Written by bob bob, United Kingdom on Tue May 01 15:22:19 UTC 2007. 3 recommendations.

"Let's be clear about this... The BNP are RACIST. And if you vote for them, you're a RACIST. I don't care if they offer to empty your bins twice a week, they're a racist paty."
Marcus Bridstock, The Now Show 16.04.2007
Broadcast by BBC Radio Four

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Written by Steve Day on Tue May 01 15:49:42 UTC 2007. 0 recommendations.

Its rather funny this anti BNP backlash, Correct me if I am wrong, but the BNP are prepared to stand up to public scrutiny at the ballot box so if you dont like them you can choose to vote in someone else,but their most vociferous opposition of the far left simply wish to throw away the democractic electoral process and ban them,and any like them, It appears to be the left wing who wish to ban democracy are the far greater threat than a small party worried about unchecked immigration into the UK

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Written by Second Class Post, Port Stanley on Tue May 01 15:48:19 UTC 2007. 327 recommendations.

By the way... to all the BNP boy's brigade mooching around here waiting for the pubs to open.

I'm a JEW! A big-nosed lawyer JEW. I got family in New York in the media, I got family in banking in Israel. You didn't kill us when you had your last chance 65 years ago and you're a bunch of sad pathetic inadequate dinosaurs. You can't even admit to what you did and want to say the holocaust is a Jewish lie.

You are pathetic. Vote BNP, you tiny little weed, I'll flatten you with mainstream law.

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Written by [Vulpus_rex], London, United Kingdom on Tue May 01 15:47:52 UTC 2007. 0 recommendations.

"Not all right wingers are racist but all racists seem to be right wing.
leftwing lefty, United Kingdom"

Not true - my grandparents have some unsavoury views about race and they both vote labour. Grandad even stood as a candidate for the Labour party.

Remember that the BNP made huge gains in Barking recently which was previously a Labour stronghold.

Only racist comedian I can think of is Bernard manning - still plays to working men's clubs, hardly bastions of the right wing.

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Written by Second Class Post, Port Stanley on Tue May 01 15:42:35 UTC 2007. 0 recommendations.

you live in a supposed democracy, with supposed free-speech. where one the most important principles has to be that the majority allow the minority to express different viewpoints in a non-violent manner.
electronicjonelliott

I completely agree. Unfortunately, the BNP don't agree and claim all their liberal freedom to sneak into power and abolish liberal freedom.

Thet're abject cowards who whine at the slightest attempt to stop their 'right' to be vicous holocaust-denying fascists!

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Written by Mike Oxsard on Tue May 01 15:41:40 UTC 2007. 0 recommendations.

I stopped reading after the fourth 'to BNP or not to BNP' type post. Kindly keep your Party Political bickering to relevant threads and stop spamming the board for those who wish to discuss the posted topic.

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Written by Woody Guthrie, United States on Tue May 01 15:40:56 UTC 2007. 4 recommendations.

Hi Widuran, prove to me the holocaust did happen as they say, aah you read it in the history books written by the winning side, so it must be true, soon in this country I will get locked up for saying things like that so this comment is very on topic. That is the real reasons for cameras everywhere, control

[caltech1]

So you support the BNP and deny the holocaust? But you're not a nazi!

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Written by [Buddistmonk], hull, United Kingdom on Tue May 01 15:39:13 UTC 2007. 2 recommendations.

Look Sh-it bag... I've been to Birkenau and many of my family ended up their with MILLIONS of others. You read about it in books written by insane haters. If you are so inadequate that you need a uniform... be a lollipop lady. You're a moron, leave thinking to others.

The Devil's Advocate

Hardly playing the devils advocate their old bean, calm down now, everyones a right to an opinion, even the far right?

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Written by leftwing lefty, United Kingdom on Tue May 01 15:39:12 UTC 2007. 0 recommendations.

Righty Rightwing

I am not voting UKIP as they think that people who live in flats are less important then people who live in houses.That is a fact in my town.My dad (who owns a house) got a UKIP leaflet but me in my block of flats (and the rest of the residents association) did not.The BNP may fit the "criteria" but so did Hitler in Germany.Also the BNP are good at hiding their race hate & are former national front.Not all right wingers are racist but all racists seem to be right wing.

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Written by Paul Kerton, Birmingham, United Kingdom on Tue May 01 15:37:22 UTC 2007. 0 recommendations.

Becoming? Well seeing as a quarter of all CCTV cameras are in the UK, I think its a bit late to say becoming.

How those spiteful hate-mongers the BNP have got mentioned in this HYS, I don't know... Or maybe I do... Paranoid conspiracy theorists who glorify the third reich, and want to get rid of every "mongrel" in the UK.

The UK under the BNP would be like the opening of "28 Weeks Later" empty and devoid of people!

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Written by David Coy on Tue May 01 16:00:02 UTC 2007. 0 recommendations.

"a sort of bunch of fruitcakes and loonies and closet racists"
David Cameron discussing UKIP supporters.

Martin R, London"

You trust David Cameron??!!

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Written by [electronicjonelliott] on Tue May 01 15:57:20 UTC 2007. 0 recommendations.

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Godwin's Law (also known as Godwin's Rule of Nazi Analogies) is a mainstay of Internet culture, an adage formulated by Mike Godwin in 1990. The original law states:

As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches one.[1]

In actual usage, according to Internet culture, the party making the comparison involving Nazis is declared to have lost the original debate.

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Written by [Buddistmonk], hull, United Kingdom on Tue May 01 15:56:33 UTC 2007. 2 recommendations.

Thet're abject cowards who whine at the slightest attempt to stop their 'right' to be vicous holocaust-denying fascists!

Second Class Post,

But you Lefty's would never whine would you, I cannot believe sometimes the vicious backlash the lefty's have to a pro right comment. Do the BNP try to ban the Labour party when they are getting an uncomfortable amount of votes?

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Written by Ron Driver, London on Tue May 01 15:56:20 UTC 2007. 0 recommendations.

"Correct me if I am wrong, but the BNP are prepared to stand up to public scrutiny at the ballot box so you can choose to vote in someone else. Steve Day"

Yes, you are so wrong. Even a child knows the BNP are thugs who hide behind the ballot box. I do not want to ban them, merely show them up as the Nazis they are and make sure that their filthy ideas get nowhere. The Nazis got elected via the ballot box, but that did not make them cuddly democrats. Do not the dead of WWII mean anything?

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Written by pclefty lefty on Tue May 01 15:54:54 UTC 2007. 0 recommendations.

I am lefty and have to say that we should have the right to vote racist parties like the British National Party and the United Kingdon independence party. I wouldn't vote for either of them as the people in the parties are idiots and biggots but people have the right to vote them. As long as we don't become like Germany and vote in huge numbers for these idiots then we have no problem. Like the leftwing says most right wingers are not racist but most racists are right wing. Nowt to do with CCTV

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Written by Woody Guthrie, United States on Tue May 01 16:11:27 UTC 2007. 0 recommendations.

Ever read the protocols of the elders of zion, I bet you wrote them?

[scotshepherd]

My god! They were a racist forgery. BBC you need to get better moderation, you are allwoing hardcore Nazis to spread their lies.

Free speech has limits in a civilized society.

Also, who is calling for the BNP to be banned? People are saying don't vote for them because they are racist, not ban them.

Here the racists are legal but no-one votes for them.

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Written by Phosgene Gasse on Tue May 01 16:11:04 UTC 2007. 3 recommendations.

"Ever read the protocols of the elders of zion, I bet you wrote them?"
[scotshepherd]

Shame on you for repeating a racial slur. THIS BOOK DOES NOT EXIST and I am sick of credulous racists like you colonising this board.

BBC - please warn this member.

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Written by [widuran] on Tue May 01 16:10:31 UTC 2007. 1 recommendations.

Correct me again if I am wrong, but the last time I checked the the socialists murdered far more than the nazis,the left is a greater evil

Steve Day

You are crazy!

Good night

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Written by Alison Procter, London on Tue May 01 16:09:59 UTC 2007. 0 recommendations.

"Correct me again if I am wrong, but the last time I checked the the socialists murdered far more than the nazis,the left is a greater evil
Steve Day"

Aren't you a bit silly, love? Who killed more, Hitler or Stalin? Surely, we want to avoid both. So let's not elect communists or the BNP. Seems very easy really. Churchill recognised the evils of both sides. We need to do the same. I think you can, if you try. Engage brain and move slowly forward.....

Lots of love. XXXXXX

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Written by Mike Oxsard on Tue May 01 16:07:17 UTC 2007. 0 recommendations.

BBC: How about a permanent 'BNP Racist Holocaust/no Holocaust Lefty/Righty my viewpoint's better than your viewpoint' thread so that these obsessional idiots have somewhere to argue til the end of time and NOT SPAM ALL THE OTHER THREADS!!!!
Sorry for shouting.

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Written by Alison Procter, London on Tue May 01 16:05:42 UTC 2007. 0 recommendations.

My friend Kev is a member of the BNP and works at nights on the CCTV for the council. He says that the BNP could learn a lot from how CCTV has been extended in this country. He would particularly like CCTV to target immigrant communities.

However, my friend Karl says that watching people like that was what the Nazis did to his family in the war. So, I'm very suspicious of CCTV and am trying to get Kev to change his racist views. However, I'm not hopeful as he has a Hitler poster on his wall.

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Is the UK becoming a 'surveillance society'?

Written by Joseph Public, Manchester on Tue May 01 16:04:28 UTC 2007. 0 recommendations.

"Do the BNP try to ban the Labour party when they are getting an uncomfortable amount of votes?" Buddistmonk, hull, United Kingdom

Do the Labour Party openly dismiss and deny the recent industrial liquidation of 7,000,000 people? The BNP are NOT the Labour Party

Seven Million People killed for racial ideology, utterly proved, completely recorded in all it's horrific vastness... and these 'gentlemen' say 'it's a jewish lie'. Why should liberals give fascists rights to be free to hate.

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Is the UK becoming a 'surveillance society'?

Written by Steve Day on Tue May 01 16:04:13 UTC 2007. 0 recommendations.

Yes, you are so wrong. Even a child knows the BNP are thugs who hide behind the ballot box. I do not want to ban them, merely show them up as the Nazis they are and make sure that their filthy ideas get nowhere. The Nazis got elected via the ballot box, but that did not make them cuddly democrats. Do not the dead of WWII mean anything?
Ron Driver, London
Correct me again if I am wrong, but the last time I checked the the socialists murdered far more than the nazis,the left is a greater evil

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Is the UK becoming a 'surveillance society'?

Written by [scotshepherd] on Tue May 01 16:03:46 UTC 2007. 0 recommendations.

I'm a JEW! A big-nosed lawyer JEW. I got family in New York in the media, I got family in banking in Israel. You didn't kill us when you had your last chance 65 years ago and you're a bunch of sad pathetic inadequate dinosaurs. You can't even admit to what you did and want to say the holocaust is a Jewish lie.

You are pathetic. Vote BNP, you tiny little weed, I'll flatten you with mainstream law.

Second Class Post,

Ever read the protocols of the elders of zion, I bet you wrote them?

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Is the UK becoming a 'surveillance society'?

Written by Righty Rightwing on Tue May 01 13:29:33 UTC 2007. 1 recommendations.

They WERE English and 'part' of our society.

Second Class Post, Port Stanley

A mere technicality.

They are citizens of the Ummah - & for the liberal left to not accept what is staring them in the face is ridiculous.

Their citizenship should now be forfeit.

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Is the UK becoming a 'surveillance society'?

Written by labour wastes taxes, yarm uk on Tue May 01 16:22:08 UTC 2007. 0 recommendations.

This HYS has predictably degenerated into a Left v Right slanging match, but it begs the question WHY have so many reasonable, honest, hard working British people turned to the likes of the BNP as their choice of political party ? surely there is a deeper reason than just simple racism, I think people are becoming seriously concerned about the dilution and threat to our way of life and this is the fault of government over the last 40 years who failed to tackle unfetterd immigration to the UK

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Is the UK becoming a 'surveillance society'?

Written by [electronicjonelliott] on Tue May 01 15:38:43 UTC 2007. 0 recommendations.

since there seems to a side debate (isn't there always) about racism/immigration and the BNP...

so what?
you live in a supposed democracy, with supposed free-speech. where one the most important principles has to be that the majority allow the minority to express different viewpoints in a non-violent manner.

that applies whether the minority is coloured, eastern european, female, welsh or BNP. otherwise its the first step to totalitarianism, not liberalism.

thou shalt not speak out!

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Is the UK becoming a 'surveillance society'?

Written by [theleftiswrong] on Tue May 01 16:16:28 UTC 2007. 0 recommendations.

Why should liberals give fascists rights to be free to hate.

Joseph Public, Manchester

Since when did the Liberals (or anyone else for that matter) have the right to give rights or take them away? It is supposed to be a free country. Above all else freedom of speech has to come first. If people want to vote BNP (however unpleasant they may be) or if people want to deny the holocaust (even though anyone with half a brain knows its indisputable) then that is their right.

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Written by Joseph Public, Manchester on Tue May 01 16:16:16 UTC 2007. 0 recommendations.

Caltech1 - a dedicated swallower of fascism!

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Is the UK becoming a 'surveillance society'?

Written by Woody Guthrie, United States on Tue May 01 15:05:14 UTC 2007. 3 recommendations.

Its such a perverse country we live in...The only people who can wear a habib are the ones most likely to commit an act of terrorism or escape from justice under a disguise...

steven goodban

Habib means beloved. You stupid racist.

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Is the UK becoming a 'surveillance society'?

Written by [neworldorder], Withernsea, United Kingdom on Tue May 01 16:19:58 UTC 2007. 0 recommendations.

"This book doe's exist and I have read it. 1984 is really closer than we think if you deny my book, written 100 years ago does not exist."
[scotshepherd]

Must be a world first... suggest you donate it to a museum as no other known copies are around.



You just passed the Idiot-Test with flying colours.

Phosgene Gasse

I have read it, for your interest, it is even on the internet, and Caltech 1 is now off it, having been moderated by the left wing thought police FREE SPEECH

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Is the UK becoming a 'surveillance society'?

Written by paul smith, london, United Kingdom on Tue May 01 16:11:56 UTC 2007. 0 recommendations.

The way we have become flooded with people believing in all controlling religion shows how naive our country was to allow these people in to create the next "homegrown generation" to be called home grown bombers, that have no western beliefs, we have set ourselves up for a take over bid in the future, surveilance would not be needed if this threat did not exist in the first place, we are doomed as a christian nation, as the muslims intend on eventual uk control, anybody saying diffrent's naive.

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