Does Mars U-turn show consumer power?

692 published comments with 65 censored.

Mars has abandoned plans to use animal products in its chocolate, and has apologised to "upset" vegetarians. Is this an example of people power?

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Written by [stopbeingstupid], United Kingdom on Sun May 20 12:02:08 UTC 2007. 0 recommendations.

All we need now is for Nestle to remove one small ingredient from Smarties for it to become suitable for Muslims and vegetarians.

Aisha UK, Scotland, United Kingdom

No company should remove ingredients just based on a irrational religion, its called choice. Want smarties? You have to eat all the ingredients.

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Written by [dirtyliberal] on Sun May 20 13:51:39 UTC 2007. 0 recommendations.

"Not all vegetarians are namby-pamby hippies.

Some are:

Pro-American/pro-Israeli/pro-Brit - The axis of freedom.
Anti-Islamofascism
Anti-uncontrolled immigration
Anti-multiculturalism
Proud of the British empire
Anti-left wing/liberals/pinkos/commies/The Guardian/The BBC
Pro-capitalism
Pro-Gitmo, extraordinary rendition etc etc"

I wonder why people who hate the BBC spend so much time on its website. Doesn't the Daily Mail have a forum?

And how can you be pro-freedom and pro-Gitmo?

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Written by Chris Smith on Sun May 20 15:24:23 UTC 2007. 2 recommendations.

"I'm astounded that this is the most recommended comment. Its not suitable because Muslims only eat halal animal products. Are you people so ignorant?...equal rights for everyone you say? Except for Muslims and Vegetarians I presume?

[chesska]"

It makes me laugh how liberals and veggies stick up for muslim's food rights even though halal meat involves the LIVE BLOOD DRAIN SLAUGHTER of the animal.

Imagine if the church of England encouraged this. There'd be uproar and WW3.

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Written by [caltech1] on Sun May 20 15:43:00 UTC 2007. 222 recommendations.

Never mind the smarties, I am off home for some nice steak and chips, vegetarians my ar@e.

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Written by The Elitist on Sun May 20 15:36:51 UTC 2007. 0 recommendations.

In other news: 'Palestinians' kill 38 in Lebanon. I'm not sure if it's connected to the Masterfoods decision. Perhaps they're occupying their maltesers.

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Written by alicia shepherd on Sun May 20 15:59:15 UTC 2007. 3 recommendations.

"Would a lion feel guilty about eating a gazelle? Besides, any vegetarian who is not also a teetotaller is a fraud - beer and wine are clarified using animal protein."

And do your research, very little alcohol is clarified that way anymore.

[chesska]

Sorry I copied and sent your comment by mistake, I meant to add, GET A LIFE

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Written by Barry Quick, Barnstaple on Sun May 20 16:21:05 UTC 2007. 6 recommendations.

You show me a veggie who enjoys oral sex, and I'll show you a hypocrite.

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Written by So There, South of England, United Kingdom on Sun May 20 16:10:08 UTC 2007. 6 recommendations.

Vegetarians need a good hearty steak. Otherwise they will remain pail and frail.

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Written by Sara Cross on Sun May 20 16:43:26 UTC 2007. 1 recommendations.

"I would never serve a vegetarian meal to anybody. If they don't like the Sunday Roast, then they can always go and eat grass in the garden. Mars should go ahead. Vegetarians are just plain WEIRD. They are a pain in the asre!!
Ken Thompson "
I am vegetarian but I'll cook meat/fish for family/friends/guests. I won't dictate anyone's diet. Given the vitriol here I hope these vindictive posters never have the hypopcrisy to accept my hospitality even through they would have been fed meat or fish.

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Written by [dirtyliberal] on Sun May 20 16:42:34 UTC 2007. 12 recommendations.

"You show me a veggie who enjoys oral sex, and I'll show you a hypocrite.

Barry Quick, Barnstaple "

Only if they are vegans and they swallow ;-)

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Written by [TennSteve], Tennessee, United States on Sun May 20 12:52:04 UTC 2007. 5 recommendations.

Why the nasty attitudes towards vegetarians?
Oh yeah, this is HYS, where rude-bois vent, innit?

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Written by reginald dwight, watford on Sun May 20 13:53:24 UTC 2007. 1 recommendations.

"And how can you be pro-freedom and pro-Gitmo?

[dirtyliberal] "

Pro-freedom of innocent people of all cultures and religions going about their daily business; pro-Gitmo for people plotting terrorist attacks against innocent people.

The system works.

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Written by [DisgustedOfMitcham2], London, United Kingdom on Sun May 20 16:28:50 UTC 2007. 1 recommendations.

Michael Hall: "Mars did all this deliberately"

You think so? Personally, I'd go for the c0ck-up theory over the conspiracy theory every time. Don't think for one minute that just because someone is a senior manager at a large company it means that they're not a total incompetent.

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Written by Barbara zoon, london, United Kingdom on Sun May 20 17:22:48 UTC 2007. 4 recommendations.

hooray for people power lets have more of it, like closing borders to migrants deporting foreign criminals ect ect ect.

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Written by Daniel Hilton, Rochdale, England, United Kingdom on Sun May 20 18:32:30 UTC 2007. 3 recommendations.

I tried responding rationally to this, I tried thinking of a coherent response pointing out how silly, racist and downright[........] James Hughes is just an idiot.

Joe Baldwin, Chesham, Bucks, United Kingdom

I had my post deleted when I called someone an idiot. So why has the BBC left this one hmm? Well, I have to say, it is time muslims integrated. We all know what Dhimmification is I hope?

I am sick of bending over backwards to a religion that belongs in the stone age.

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Written by [Stunmai], Shrewsbury, MA, United States on Sun May 20 18:31:57 UTC 2007. 1 recommendations.

A curse upon Muhammed the Deceiver.

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Written by [caltech1] on Sun May 20 18:42:10 UTC 2007. 222 recommendations.

A curse upon Muhammed the Deceiver.

[Stunmai],

If Islam is a peaceful religion, why do they insist in blowing us, and each other up on miner interpretational differences of the Koran?

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Written by Holly Hernkle on Sun May 20 18:58:37 UTC 2007. 2 recommendations.

And the USA is not a peaceful superpower!

[1984ReturnsforReal], ENGLAND, United Kingdom

We defend ourselves against the barbarians. Europe has at long last fallen to the Moors.

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Written by Graham Bishop, Warwickshire on Sun May 20 19:05:31 UTC 2007. 1 recommendations.

And the USA is not a peaceful superpower!
[1984ReturnsforReal], ENGLAND, United Kingdom

We defend ourselves against the barbarians. Europe has at long last fallen to the Moors.
Holly Hernkle


I think thats a strange use of the word "defend"....

I think you mean "attack"

Do you know what happened at Fallujah yet or is it still blacked out?

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Written by Joe Baldwin, Chesham, Bucks, United Kingdom on Sun May 20 14:25:21 UTC 2007. 2 recommendations.

WHO CARES! If they [Muslims] cant enjoy it [Smarties]...GOOD.
James Hughes, Southampton

I tried responding rationally to this, I tried thinking of a coherent response pointing out how silly, racist and downright cretinous this comment is, and I gave up, because you can't respond coherently or rationally to the incoherent or rational. James Hughes is just an idiot.

btw, I think Nestle might have a few things to say about you not wanting Muslims buying their chocolate...

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Written by Someone Special, United Kingdom on Sun May 20 15:58:44 UTC 2007. 0 recommendations.

Subitable for muslims, whats the ingredient...freedom? free speach? Liberty? Equal rights for women, gays or non believers....

WHO CARES! If they cant enjoy it...GOOD.

PC muppets on hys way way to many

James Hughes, Southampton, United Kingdom

...did you not realise what this HYS was about?
you perhaps lack the mental capacity to actively take part in a discussion without spouting your bias rubbish.
you should do your research on cooking/religion before airing your ignorant views

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Written by Jason Flavell, Pontefract, United Kingdom on Sun May 20 17:34:30 UTC 2007. 1 recommendations.

What happened to the comment from James Hughes? From the excerpts I have seen quoted he sounds like a cool guy, but is original comments seemed to have vanished...I would like to recommend his comment that he does not wish moslems to enjoy smarties!

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Written by [caltech1] on Sun May 20 17:38:02 UTC 2007. 201 recommendations.

What happened to the comment from James Hughes? From the excerpts I have seen quoted he sounds like a cool guy, but is original comments seemed to have vanished...I would like to recommend his comment that he does not wish moslems to enjoy smarties!

Jason Flavell,

the most recommended comment and its been removed by the people who are hosting "is big brother here" on the other HYS. It would be funny if it where not so sad?

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Written by Jason Flavell, Pontefract, United Kingdom on Sun May 20 17:49:09 UTC 2007. 1 recommendations.

Jason Flavell,

the most recommended comment and its been removed by the people who are hosting "is big brother here" on the other HYS. It would be funny if it where not so sad?

[caltech1]

I see, left wing bias from the BBC, whatever next!

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Written by x yz on Sun May 20 18:44:19 UTC 2007. 1 recommendations.

How much does the Mars U-turn demonstrate consumer power?

We need some people power on here when the most recommended comment can be removed just like that.

I made a comment last week pointing out that the photo that used to be here of the moderating team didn't showed that they didn'treflect the demographic makeup of the country funding the BBC. With a moderation queue of nearly 1000 they had my comment rejected within 15 minutes.

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Written by [Stunmai], Shrewsbury, MA, United States on Sun May 20 18:53:56 UTC 2007. 2 recommendations.

A curse upon Muhammed the Deceiver.

[Stunmai],

If Islam is a peaceful religion, why do they insist in blowing us, and each other up on miner interpretational differences of the Koran?

[caltech1]

Because Islam is not a peaceful religion.

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Written by Dillinger Fogltance, Los Angeles, United States on Sun May 20 18:52:51 UTC 2007. 1 recommendations.

A curse upon Muhammed the Deceiver.

[Stunmai],

If Islam is a peaceful religion, why do they insist in blowing us, and each other up on miner interpretational differences of the Koran?

[caltech1]

Maybe they found out our soldiers have been handing out candy bars to their kids with unproperly prepared animal products. :)

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Written by [1984ReturnsforReal], ENGLAND, United Kingdom on Sun May 20 18:55:46 UTC 2007. 1 recommendations.

A curse upon Muhammed the Deceiver.
[Stunmai],

If Islam is a peaceful religion, why do they insist in blowing us, and each other up on miner interpretational differences of the Koran?
[caltech1]

Because Islam is not a peaceful religion.
[Stunmai], Shrewsbury, MA, United States

And the USA is not a peaceful superpower!

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Written by Lynxo Darfair on Sun May 20 19:02:40 UTC 2007. 5 recommendations.

I'm getting pretty damn sick of reading the bigotted drivel that infects just about every HYS these days.

Some of you won't be happy it seems unless you blame EVERY SINGLE THING on Muslims.

Why don't you just come out and say it, that you'd like to see all Muslims locked up, rounded up and put in cages and blamed for absolutely every single thing?

Oh wait, something similar happened to the Jews a few decades ago... because clearly every Jew was responsible for everything! Grow up bigots

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Written by Dillinger Fogltance, Los Angeles, United States on Sun May 20 19:23:47 UTC 2007. 41 recommendations.

I think thats a strange use of the word "defend"....
I think you mean "attack"

Do you know what happened at Fallujah yet or is it still blacked out?

Graham Bishop, Warwickshire

Hey ding dong this subject is about candy bars it's not a American bashing topic. And yes the lights have been on in Fallujah for quite some time unlike in your head. See you on the sniffer

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Written by Eveline Sophie on Sun May 20 16:01:59 UTC 2007. 1 recommendations.

I wonder what kind of lives these people live if they have the need to turn a question about Mars bars into a debate about muslims?!

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Written by bob bobwell, Dubai on Mon May 21 09:03:33 UTC 2007. 5 recommendations.

I once smeared chocolate over my c0ck, and the 'consumer' didn't object to *that* containing meat.

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Written by Big Immature Baby on Mon May 21 12:08:14 UTC 2007. 6 recommendations.

I did a Mars bar in my nappy.

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Written by Big Immature Baby on Mon May 21 12:03:54 UTC 2007. 9 recommendations.

My bottom hurts.

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Written by Jabba DeHutt on Mon May 21 11:12:52 UTC 2007. 0 recommendations.

Is it true that male Vegetarians have a smaller manhood, as it is the nutrients in meat that make it larger.

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Written by Violet Brown on Mon May 21 11:11:59 UTC 2007. 0 recommendations.

Sara Cross wrote "You madam are the hypocrite."

Hilarious!

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Written by pclefty lefty on Mon May 21 11:30:10 UTC 2007. 0 recommendations.

Is it true that male Vegetarians have a smaller manhood, as it is the nutrients in meat that make it larger.

Jabba DeHutt

Yes it is a fact. Also vegetarians have smaller brains.

[theleftiswrong]

I take it you have looked at every single male vegetarians willies and have opened all their heads open as well? How cowardly both of you are. I bet you wouldn't say this to a veggie in real life.

The right is obviously wrong.

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Written by atomjohn lee, derby, United Kingdom on Mon May 21 11:44:34 UTC 2007. 1 recommendations.

Why can't we have a go at Veggies? They have a go at smokers.

I have realised why Veggies do not smoke - the explosion hazard must be enormous.....

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Written by LiberalLeft AndProud, United Kingdom on Mon May 21 12:11:43 UTC 2007. 0 recommendations.

Seems like a sensible decision. Well here I am back from my holidays. 2 weeks in a beautiful hospitable mainly muslim country. I was delighted to read that the surge predicted by the rightwhingers to the "mighty" BNP consisted of 1 more council seat! "Nick Griffin prepare for..obscurity" No particular meltdown for labour either. The sages of HYS seems to have been peering at the wrong entrails.

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Written by [Buddistmonk], hull, United Kingdom on Mon May 21 12:11:35 UTC 2007. 0 recommendations.

POLARIS69, Kent, United Kingdom: Not all Muslims "come to this country" - most are born here. Some have been here for generations, since Victorian times and before. Some had their forefathers killed in WW1 trenches fighting for Britain. Their viewpoints and their wishes are just as valid as anyone else's ... including yours!

Vio Bhodiran

Why do they insist on blowing us up then,

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Written by [neworldorder], Withernsea, United Kingdom on Mon May 21 12:10:06 UTC 2007. 0 recommendations.

... does anyone know who Jacob is in Lost?

I think it's Goodfellow, the guy who welcomed him onto the island as a child.

Discuss?

F Clemence Childcatcher

I have no idea, but I'm excited to find out! When does the whole season come out on DVD?

Rachel in Kentucky

Can we ask the moderators if the BBC will consider buying LOST from Sky, now they no longer have neighbours, then on my new interactive TV I can watch LOST whilst commenting on HYS ?

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Written by Rachel in Kentucky on Mon May 21 12:06:08 UTC 2007. 0 recommendations.

... does anyone know who Jacob is in Lost?

I think it's Goodfellow, the guy who welcomed him onto the island as a child.

Discuss?

F Clemence Childcatcher

I have no idea, but I'm excited to find out! When does the whole season come out on DVD?

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Written by Alvin Leong, Manchester, United Kingdom on Mon May 21 09:12:51 UTC 2007. 1 recommendations.

Like Jeremy Clarkson said, we should round up all the Vegetarians, along with all the anti-smoking lobby and the tree hugger and machine gun them.

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Written by x yz on Mon May 21 09:44:04 UTC 2007. 0 recommendations.

I'll say it again and keep saying it.

The most recommended comment here was removed after 60 recommendations. My comment removed after 14 recommendations. Plenty of other comments removed after high recommendations.

You moderators can remove and reject what we say but you can't change the truth.

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Written by Alison Smith, Hertfordshire on Mon May 21 10:58:01 UTC 2007. 0 recommendations.

If vegetarians, or anyone else want to eat that oversweet, cloying, sickly excuse for a chocolate bar - well good for them. I'll stick with my Green & Blacks organic - give it a try - find out what chocolate SHOULD taste like!

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Written by Sara Cross on Mon May 21 11:08:42 UTC 2007. 0 recommendations.

Violet Brown I’m not guilty at all. I know where my food comes from. But I do cook meat or fish for my friends and oddly enough expect people to treat me with the same respect I have given them. What you eat or not is up to you but when you hurl insults I will retaliate. I am sick to death of meat eaters berating me for my food when I have never once tried to get them to change their diets. You madam are the hypocrite.

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Written by [theleftiswrong] on Mon May 21 11:23:40 UTC 2007. 1 recommendations.

Is it true that male Vegetarians have a smaller manhood, as it is the nutrients in meat that make it larger.

Jabba DeHutt

Yes it is a fact. Also vegetarians have smaller brains.

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Written by Alex Marshall, Prague, Czech Republic on Mon May 21 11:45:52 UTC 2007. 0 recommendations.

"Is it true that male Vegetarians have a smaller manhood, as it is the nutrients in meat that make it larger."

As a lifelong vegetarian I can confirm this statistic. Luckily I have increased the size by watching Top Gear, complaining about immigrants and Muslims, denying global warming, taking part in other hard-nosed, right-wing rantings and by replying to spam emails. It really works!

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Written by [caltech1] on Mon May 21 11:37:40 UTC 2007. 189 recommendations.

I heard they where being forced to make all smarties beige, because it was politically incorrect to mix different coloured smarties in the same packet,

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Written by [chesska] on Mon May 21 12:05:47 UTC 2007. 0 recommendations.

"I assume your female, apparently, if you where male you would have a very small member, I read it on this HYS."

I wouldn't believe everything you read on HYS, you should double check it on Wikipedia first, just to be sure.

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Written by F Clemence Childcatcher on Mon May 21 11:48:24 UTC 2007. 0 recommendations.

Seeing as no-one has had anything either new or relevant to say on this topic for about 3 hours now, does anyone know who Jacob is in Lost?

If you were paying attention, you could see him sitting in the chair after he throws Ben across the room.

I think it's Goodfellow, the guy who welcomed him onto the island as a child.

Discuss?

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Written by reginald dwight, watford on Mon May 21 11:55:01 UTC 2007. 0 recommendations.

"And how can you be pro-freedom and pro-Gitmo? [dirtyliberal] "

Pro-freedom of innocent people of all cultures and religions going about their daily business; pro-Gitmo for people plotting terrorist attacks against innocent people. The system works.

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Written by BBC Host, United Kingdom on Sun May 20 10:13:12 UTC 2007. 0 recommendations.

How much does the Mars U-turn demonstrate consumer power?

Mars has abandoned plans to use animal products in its chocolate, and has apologised to "upset" vegetarians.

The firm had said it would change the whey used in some of its products from a vegetarian source to one with traces of the animal enzyme, rennet.

The Vegetarian Society organised a campaign against the move, asking members to voice their concerns to parent company Masterfoods.

In just one week, more than 6,000 people bombarded the company, which produces the Mars, Snickers, Maltesers and Galaxy brands, with phone and e-mail complaints.

What is your reaction to this decision by Mars? Does this represent a trend of big companies listening to their customers? Do consumer groups have too much power?

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Written by James Hughes, Southampton, United Kingdom on Sun May 20 11:20:28 UTC 2007. 0 recommendations.

"All we need now is for Nestle to remove one small ingredient from Smarties for it to become suitable for Muslims and vegetarians.

Aisha UK, Scotland, United Kingdom"

Subitable for muslims, whats the ingredient...freedom? free speach? Liberty? Equal rights for women, gays or non believers....

WHO CARES! If they cant enjoy it...GOOD.

PC muppets on hys way way to many

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Written by [adjl21], Portsmouth, United Kingdom on Sun May 20 11:14:12 UTC 2007. 1 recommendations.

Get a life you veggie weirdos!

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Written by Billy Bob on Sun May 20 11:21:48 UTC 2007. 0 recommendations.

Yay!
Another victory for the oppressed minority over the wicked majority.

Next, lets ban pork!

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Written by The Elitist on Sun May 20 11:56:08 UTC 2007. 0 recommendations.

I'm whey too health-conscious to eat that stuff.

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Written by The Elitist on Sun May 20 11:59:42 UTC 2007. 0 recommendations.

I blame the BBC.

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Written by [caltech1] on Sun May 20 13:03:08 UTC 2007. 212 recommendations.

Have you noticed Mars bars are covered head to toe in black clothing, the could be more to this story than first thought, is this a Taliban invasion?, what next icecreams in veils, music banned off Mr Whippy vans?

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Written by Llew G, Newbury, United Kingdom on Sun May 20 13:09:23 UTC 2007. 0 recommendations.

"All we need now is for Nestle to remove one small ingredient from Smarties for it to become suitable for Muslims and vegetarians.

Aisha UK, Scotland, United Kingdom"

Or Muslims could adapt...

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Written by The Elitist on Sun May 20 13:32:27 UTC 2007. 0 recommendations.

Not all vegetarians are namby-pamby hippies.

Some are:

Pro-American/pro-Israeli/pro-Brit - The axis of freedom.
Anti-Islamofascism
Anti-uncontrolled immigration
Anti-multiculturalism
Proud of the British empire
Anti-left wing/liberals/pinkos/commies/The Guardian/The BBC
Pro-capitalism
Pro-Gitmo, extraordinary rendition etc etc



I still eat fish though.

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Written by Jeff Fogltance, Ontario, United States on Sun May 20 16:27:49 UTC 2007. 2 recommendations.

The comments that are most recommended are regularly racist, contentious, and lack even the slightest modicum of taste and tact, & this is no exception. All of you "anti-vegetarians" are so utterly insecure about your choices that you take any form of victory for vegetarians as an attack on your choices. Grow up and get a life.

[petit_minou], New Jersey,

You sound so whiney and French.

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Written by The Elitist on Sun May 20 16:59:03 UTC 2007. 2 recommendations.

The censorship goons have arrived...

This HYS is about to be sterilized, BBC-style.

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Written by Ken Thompson on Mon May 21 12:08:49 UTC 2007. 0 recommendations.

Do they (vegetarians) think that a pub can afford, and has the room for, a separate grill, fryer, oven etc. just for them? Of course they don't. Their veggie burger gets cooked on the same grill as my 12oz rare rib-eye and the chips go in the same fryer as the pork and beef sausages.

[Mark_in_Wilts]

Well said Mark.

Most pubs see Vegetarians as a complete pain in the backside. Whinging, moaning and never happy.

They all get BEEF GRAVY on their Nut Loaves where we go....Ha Ha.

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Written by [caltech1] on Mon May 21 12:01:46 UTC 2007. 185 recommendations.

We evolved so that we can live with OR without meat. You choose to live with it, I choose to live without it. It really is as simple as that. If we needed meat, I would have died a long time ago. Or I'd be a very sickly human being, I am neither.

[chesska]

I assume your female, apparently, if you where male you would have a very small member, I read it on this HYS.

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