Is Britain in moral decline?

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Britain is in moral decline say 83% of people polled for the new BBC One religious and ethical programme "The Big Questions". Do you agree?

Religion may be a way of halting this decline. According to "The Big Questions" opinion poll 62% agreed with the statement that religion has an important role to play in the moral guidance of the nation with 29% disagreeing or strongly disagreeing with that statement.

Ninety-three per-cent said they would help if they saw someone collapsed on the street but if someone was talking nosily on a mobile phone on a train or bus, less than a quarter said they would intervene.

Also, if they saw a group of teenagers graffiti-ing a wall, more than two thirds, 68%, said they wouldn't intervene.

Is Britain in moral decline and, if it is, is religion the solution? What do you think of the BBC's findings? Send us your comments.

"The Big Questions" launches Sunday, 9 September at 1000 on BBC One.

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Is Britain in moral decline?

Written by Jimbob McGinty on Fri Sep 07 08:59:17 UTC 2007. 1 recommendations.

If you could clip any mouthy little brat round the ear for misbehaving or giving you lip, without being hauled before the courts, that would be a start.

Britain might be greater if Rupert Murdoch, Maggie Thatcher (Milk snatcher) and Tony Blair HADN'T had the strength to clamber out of the abortion bucket.

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Written by WhoCaresAboutU jones, Cymru Am Byth!, United Kingdom on Fri Sep 07 09:12:01 UTC 2007. 1 recommendations.

I wouldn't let a Catholic Priest anywhere near my kids.

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Written by danny streather, United Kingdom on Fri Sep 07 09:27:29 UTC 2007. 1 recommendations.

Oh dear. Are we going to have another round of Christian-bashing? Roll up dunces, put your ignorance on display here. Tell us again how religion has caused all the world's problems. All we really see is your total lack of education.

Fred Zukes, Reading, United Kingdom

Or, far more clearly, yours.

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Written by [BringBackFlogging], United Kingdom on Fri Sep 07 10:02:00 UTC 2007. 2 recommendations.

Yes and I blame this government and its followers (ironically rather like a sick religion). Its followers - the likes of leftwing lefty, liberal left and a plonker, john chang etc..

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Written by John Bull, Middle England, United Kingdom on Fri Sep 07 10:07:30 UTC 2007. 3 recommendations.

Yes and I blame this government and its followers (ironically rather like a sick religion). Its followers - the likes of leftwing lefty, liberal left and a plonker, john chang etc..

[BringBackFlogging], United Kingdom

Herr Caltech!!! Your oratory will destroy them!!! You are right, we are in decline! Gay Bashing is illegal! Giving the little woman a hiding is frowned upon!! pushing sh.t through letterboxes is considered wrong!!! We need you to lead us. Tomorrow belongs to Nazis!

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Written by Steve Butler, Basingstoke, United Kingdom on Fri Sep 07 10:07:03 UTC 2007. 2 recommendations.

There is NO morality without RELIGION....

Didier Aubry, Clichy, France

...and it's people like you that make the rest of us detest religion. Who are YOU to tell ME that I have no morals????

Doesn't your comic say "judge not lest ye be judged"?

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Written by Andy T, Devon, United Kingdom on Fri Sep 07 10:21:53 UTC 2007. 0 recommendations.

when one talks about Christian morality it makes me laugh this 'catlick'lot pure and simple a 'sect' They who can wander into a church and confess and the priest can sit there and listen and then give his forgiveness and the purpetrator can swan off with a clear concience and do some more evil look at all those bent priests. Morality! dont make me laugh. You bible punchers make me sick!!

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Written by [peterlondon], croydon, United Kingdom on Fri Sep 07 10:47:55 UTC 2007. 2 recommendations.

Britain is in real trouble now, with the "same old suspect" moral minority hiding in their mosques plotting against the "immorral majority of the population". these plotters will never leave, but will attempt to change our society to become their version of a moral society. and any discenters to their ideals will be met with threats and violence. the Tube bombings will be looked back on as the shape of things to come.
I only hope our lilly livered government never gives concessions to these UK insurgent "moral" Zelots.

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Written by Patricia Henley UK on Fri Sep 07 11:27:47 UTC 2007. 3 recommendations.

Our moral decline is directly proportional to the influx of muslim people. Their beliefs (religious or otherwise) are contrary to our own. Many muslims here are stating that there are over a billion muslims worldwide as though it were fact. Actually, there are fewer than 700 million muslims in the world if you exclude those who were forcibly made to convert under penatly of death or harm to themselves or their family.

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Written by Paul Bennett, Bolton, United Kingdom on Fri Sep 07 12:12:57 UTC 2007. 2 recommendations.

The other day I found that that my neighbour was one of these "homosexuals". I rang the police immediatley but unbelievably it was I who was subject to a police caution for apparently "wasting their time". This is political correctness gone mad! What further evidence could you ask for that Britain is in morale decline.

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Written by Phosgene Gasse on Fri Sep 07 12:17:54 UTC 2007. 4 recommendations.

"Face it, I have no chance of getting on one of these things [citizen's jury] as I am a working, white, christian, law abiding, taxpayer not a disabled immigrant Lesbian with 6 illegitimate kids!" [Baronesstaxedalot]

And this person has the brass neck to talk about moral decline when she comes out with absurdities like yesterday's rubbish. Littlejohn for PM? Why - he's more certifiable than [Baronesstaxedalot]!

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Written by Dale Morgan, Swansea, United Kingdom on Fri Sep 07 12:47:29 UTC 2007. 1 recommendations.

"Religion is the ROOT of all evil. Religion has NO part to play in anything.

Guy Flowers, Sheffield, United Kingdom "


Right, so the vengeful god the instructed people to murder their enemey and rape their enemys women in the old testiment is not evil?

Religion is not the answer to anything, the sooner we get rid of that hocus pocus nonesense the better.

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Written by R D, London, United Kingdom on Fri Sep 07 13:11:15 UTC 2007. 0 recommendations.

I listened to this story this morning whilst guzzling my mistress's urine from my wife's communion cup and I thought "what of it".

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Written by [scotbot], Alba gu Brath, New Caledonia on Fri Sep 07 13:11:47 UTC 2007. 0 recommendations.

When you have two supposedly upstanding members of a community jetting round the world to pull the wool over people's eyes about the cause of their daughter's disappearance, all at the expense of money given sincerely in the hope of find said missing girl, then how can you expect so called less educated people to behave in a morally praiseworthy manner.

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Written by [eezyweed], Belfast, United Kingdom on Fri Sep 07 13:21:54 UTC 2007. 0 recommendations.

Example of moral decline:

I was in Birmingham a few years ago, a young lady with yellow stumpy teeth offered me some oral for a cigarette..

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Written by what is that smell on Fri Sep 07 13:20:37 UTC 2007. 1 recommendations.

"I listened to this story this morning whilst guzzling my mistress's urine from my wife's communion cup and I thought "what of it"."

Its good to know priests in the catholic faith are still our moral champions

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Written by David carey, London, United Kingdom on Fri Sep 07 13:29:15 UTC 2007. 1 recommendations.

I don't recall Jesus preaching violence - do you?

LiberalLeftandDeluded

Mark 12:11 - "Let those who believe not in my Father watch their backs, for verily I will be behind them with a great big baseball bat. With a big nail in it and all"

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Written by maroon machine, london, United Kingdom on Fri Sep 07 13:35:24 UTC 2007. 0 recommendations.

Example of moral decline:

I was in Birmingham a few years ago, a young lady with yellow stumpy teeth offered me some oral for a cigarette..

[eezyweed]

I bet you said yes.

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Written by pete tong on Fri Sep 07 13:52:27 UTC 2007. 5 recommendations.

Hello, Peter, I'm a liberal PC do gooder and I'd like to help you. Crime has fallen over the last 12 years, we have made the persecution of minorities illegal. Child abuse has fallen as it is reported more. The death penalty does not work (see the USA). OK?

LeftLiberal AndProud

You omit your location, it would not be :-

LeftLiberal AndProud CloudCuckooland


by any chance.

You should apply for the post of Gordon Browns version of "Comical Ally"

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Written by Phosgene Gasse on Fri Sep 07 14:13:37 UTC 2007. 0 recommendations.

"The answer to the argument is simple : Produce your God."
Adrian Mugridge, Chester, United Kingdom

Do stars exist? Produce a star... Do atoms exist? Show me a photograph one one, etc.

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Written by The Devil's Advocate on Fri Sep 07 14:15:14 UTC 2007. 0 recommendations.

Do stars exist? Produce a star... Do atoms exist? Show me a photograph one one, etc.

Phosgene Gasse

Look out of the window !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You will see a star but no God!

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Written by Mark P, High Wycombe, United Kingdom on Fri Sep 07 14:27:25 UTC 2007. 0 recommendations.

Do stars exist? Produce a star... Do atoms exist? Show me a photograph one one, etc.

Phosgene Gasse

Do stars exist ? What do you think the sun is ? Maybe you think it's god, but I think it's a big ball of hot gas a very long way away. What do you think it is ?

Adrian Mugridge, Chester, United Kingdom


Adrian, you are a plonker and completely missed the point of the response made to you.

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Written by The Real Harry Flashman on Fri Sep 07 14:32:47 UTC 2007. 2 recommendations.

"Do stars exist? Produce a star."
Phosgene Gasse

"Do stars exist ? What do you think the sun is ?"
Adrian Mugridge, Chester, United Kingdom

"Adrian, you are a plonker and completely missed the point of the response made to you."
Mark P

No he didn't. You said, 'do stars exist?' equating it to 'does God exist?'

He offered the mechanistic, existential (and right) answer of 'look out of the window, tell me what you eyes see first, a God or a Star?"

He was bang on the money.

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Written by Rakhshan Habibi on Fri Sep 07 14:36:54 UTC 2007. 0 recommendations.

"Most people are just not capable of thinking that clearly."
God Almighty

"Exactly much medication are you on?"
Mary Martin, Atlanta, United States

Q.E.D.

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Written by Rene Descartes on Fri Sep 07 14:39:25 UTC 2007. 1 recommendations.

"Must have been from an explosion ??? How on earth do they know ? Perhaps they have faith in their own belief that that is what happened....

Not too different from the faith I have...

[ChiRho]"

Because they have evidence ranging from the measureable expansion of the universe, its vast size, the cosmic microwave background.... Together with physical laws (General Relativity, etc) that are consistent with the evidence. I could go on. Not an unverifiable book produced in the Bronze Age.

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Written by leftwing lefty, United Kingdom on Fri Sep 07 14:36:04 UTC 2007. 2 recommendations.

I'm confused, the right wing choose to believe unofficial statistics on a subjective topic of morality, but refuse to believe official factual statistics that show crime has fallen, immigration has benefited the economy, unemployment has fallen, poverty has been reduced and scientific "evidence" supporting the global warming theory.

Center Forward

The Right Whingers do make themselves look stupid with their non facts and hysteria. Oh well it gives normal people a laugh.

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Written by jesse james, derby, Cyprus on Fri Sep 07 14:48:53 UTC 2007. 1 recommendations.

Mark Goddard why dont you produce the stats backing up your claim that crime has fallen in the last 12 years instead :-) should be fun.... ready when you are..clown

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Written by [widuran] on Fri Sep 07 14:49:40 UTC 2007. 1 recommendations.

Yes I live in Bradford. I sincerely wich I didn't. No I'm not pretending to be a muslim. Although I have now seen the comment. Where is your proof that this is not a genuine poster who is expressing his / her opinion?

CivilWar I'mWithBorisJohnson, Bradford, United Kingdom

Very few Muslims have this belief so statistically it is unlikely to be a real Muslim. Considering the anti Muslim/immigrant rants on here by the ridiculous righties it is more likely to be someone pretending. So sad

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Written by [StickySlop], Somewhere, United Kingdom on Fri Sep 07 14:55:27 UTC 2007. 0 recommendations.

I wish the lefty/righties would please f..k off. They are a bunch of irritating, dumb, sad losers with too much spare time on their hands.

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Written by jesse james, derby, Cyprus on Fri Sep 07 14:57:46 UTC 2007. 1 recommendations.

I wish the lefty/righties would please f..k off. They are a bunch of irritating, dumb, sad losers with too much spare time on their hands**

surely you're one or the other... or just confused maybe?

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Written by Leonard Day, Cardiff, South Wales, United Kingdom on Fri Sep 07 15:08:58 UTC 2007. 4 recommendations.

Our Gordon, who art in number 10
Tony used to be thy name.
Our kingdom come, thy will be done,
as it used to be, in number 11.

Give us this day our daily bread,
And forgive us our trespasses,
as we forgive those who taxeth against us.
And lead us not into emmigration,
but deliver us from you.
For thine is the pain, the misery and the pc correctness. for ever and ever. Amen

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Written by Yorkshire Jim on Fri Sep 07 15:05:13 UTC 2007. 0 recommendations.

"Well, there's direct evidence (look up red shift) that matter in the universe is moving outwards, e.g. the universe is expanding - much like shockwaves move out from an explosion. Evidence NOT faith."

For the religious minded who believe Big Bang is incompatible with their beliefs, the theory was first proposed by Belgian Catholic priest George Lemaitre around the same time Hubble came up with his evidence that the universe was expanding. Lemaitre was not excommunicated for his work!

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Written by Rakhshan Habibi on Fri Sep 07 15:42:36 UTC 2007. 0 recommendations.

So Kate McCann eh?
I KNEW it was her.

I bl**dy knew it.

Ann Endtotories, Bastardpole, Western Sahara

Agree. They are much too sqeaky clean and 'bearing up magnificently under such tragic etc etc'

And is it only me who feels Madeline Mcann has become the new Princess Diana? If she'd been an ugly kid, do you think all this fuss would still have happened?

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Written by Ann Endtotories, Bastardpole, Western Sahara on Fri Sep 07 15:32:45 UTC 2007. 0 recommendations.

So Kate McCann eh?
I KNEW it was her.

I bl**dy knew it.

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Written by [subjectishatless] on Fri Sep 07 15:35:54 UTC 2007. 0 recommendations.

So Kate McCann eh?
I KNEW it was her.

I bl**dy knew it.

Ann Endtotories, Bastardpole, Western Sahara

This is the funniest post I have read EVER!

(and the best name and address!)

BRILLIANT - thanks for the belly laugh!

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Written by Gareth Dearing, UK on Fri Sep 07 15:39:41 UTC 2007. 2 recommendations.

"So Kate McCann eh?
I KNEW it was her.
I bl**dy knew it."

Ann Endtotories, Bastardpole, Western Sahara

--

Ok Lieutenant Columbo, what makes you think that she did? Are you part of the investigation? Seems to me that some HYS users would have been burning witches 400 years ago. Insensitive tabloid reading thickos are whats wrong with this country. Rupert Murdoch should be locked up.

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Written by Angela Festonblunt-Riddick, Guisborough, United Kingdom on Fri Sep 07 15:40:23 UTC 2007. 0 recommendations.

So Kate McCann eh?
I KNEW it was her.

I bl**dy knew it.

Ann Endtotories, Bastardpole, Western Sahara

This is the funniest post I have read EVER!

(and the best name and address!)

BRILLIANT - thanks for the belly laugh!

[subjectishatless]


I thank you, I thank you very much indeed.

You could tell though, couldn't you? The lady doth protest too much and all that...

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Written by Brian Fox, Addlestone, United Kingdom on Fri Sep 07 15:43:34 UTC 2007. 1 recommendations.

So Kate McCann eh?
I KNEW it was her.

I bl**dy knew it.

Ann Endtotories, Bastardpole, Western Sahara

I agree with you there. Coming from Australia I remember the Chamberlain thing, far to many similarities.

Before anyone starts, I am just having my say. I am not a policeman, I am not involved in the investigation, it is purely a speculative opinion, and I am entitled to it.

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Written by Papa Demos, Bristol on Fri Sep 07 15:43:42 UTC 2007. 1 recommendations.

So Kate McCann eh?
I KNEW it was her.
I bl**dy knew it.
Ann Endtotories, Bastardpole, Western Sahara

You are a complete moron.

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Written by Rene Descartes on Fri Sep 07 15:45:44 UTC 2007. 0 recommendations.

"As a Christian I am fed up that non-believers think anyone with any faith is crack pot."

If your belief system is that a book of bronze age stories represents the absolute truth, then an evidence based approach (ie science) will never convince you.

Whilst the Copernican system was and is incompatible with a literal interpretation of parts of the bible, it is nonetheless accepted as true by most Christians. Why can evolution, the Big Bang, a very old earth not be accepted too?

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Written by The Devil's Advocate on Fri Sep 07 15:47:00 UTC 2007. 1 recommendations.

If Madeline Mcann had been an ugly kid, do you think all this fuss would still have happened?
Rakhshan Habibi

Interesting moral question! Is the concern about M.M. genuine moral sympathy or mawkish sentimentality.

I'd say the latter mainly. It's only 'cos she's tragic, cute and looks good on the front page. I guess you're right, just like Diana.

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Written by The Devil's Advocate on Fri Sep 07 15:54:38 UTC 2007. 1 recommendations.

"So Kate McCann eh?
I KNEW it was her."
Ann Endtotories

"You are a complete moron."
Papa Demos

"If she'd been an ugly kid, do you think all this fuss would have happened?"
Rakhshan Habibi

"..and so are you. (a complete idiot)"
Papa Demos

wassa matter Papa? Can't stand thinking outside of perceived moral boundaries? The tabloids say it's a tragedy so anyone who isn't impressed must be a bad bad man!

It's just 'cos she was pretty, she's tabloid fodder.

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Written by Papa Demos, Bristol on Fri Sep 07 15:45:50 UTC 2007. 0 recommendations.

And is it only me who feels Madeline Mcann has become the new Princess Diana? If she'd been an ugly kid, do you think all this fuss would still have happened?
Rakhshan Habibi

..and so are you. (a complete idiot)

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Written by Martje Ross on Fri Sep 07 15:45:30 UTC 2007. 0 recommendations.

This thread is going to be moderated because of the stupid comments made about the McGann family.

Counting down

10
9
8
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Written by Cyber Cohen on Fri Sep 07 15:53:01 UTC 2007. 0 recommendations.

Guys can you please keep to the topic? Otherwise I am going to have to resort to cheering on (US) presidential hopefuls.

Cyber_Cohen
ps: Ron Paul for President. Ron Paul for America.

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Written by [happybriab123], Ellesmere, United Kingdom on Fri Sep 07 15:53:15 UTC 2007. 0 recommendations.

The 'Book of Knowledge' has been opened and we are not equiped to deal with it.

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Written by Tight Thong, Panties, Afganistan on Fri Sep 07 15:55:37 UTC 2007. 1 recommendations.

If Madeline Mcann had been an ugly kid, do you think all this fuss would still have happened?


Interesting moral question! Is the concern about M.M. genuine moral sympathy or mawkish sentimentality.

I'd say the latter mainly. It's only 'cos she's tragic, cute and looks good on the front page. I guess you're right, just like Diana.

The Devil's Advocate

Agreed. I think the doctor thing has also upped the ante. A bricklayer and his kids in Tossa Malinos wouldn't have made page 10

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Written by Mr Soo on Fri Sep 07 15:56:45 UTC 2007. 0 recommendations.

"Guys can you please keep to the topic? Otherwise I am going to have to resort to cheering on (US) presidential hopefuls.
ps: Ron Paul for President. Ron Paul for America."

Cyber Cohen

Is Ron Paul running? I really dont think an African American drag queen can win over Middle America. Oh sorry that's Ru Paul.

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Written by jesse james, derby, Cyprus on Fri Sep 07 15:57:46 UTC 2007. 0 recommendations.

And is it only me who feels Madeline Mcann has become the new Princess Diana? If she'd been an ugly kid, do you think all this fuss would still have happened?**

Thats a very sick comment & you should be banned for posting it but I'm sure the BBC will worry about offending you :-(

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Written by [squashedpea] on Fri Sep 07 15:58:21 UTC 2007. 0 recommendations.

tee hee! no moderators!!!1! moderators smell of wee!!!! tee hee hee!!

what? oh yeah, decline, erm, morale, yeah, guess so, whatever...

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Written by Super Mario, Mushroom Kingdom, United Kingdom on Fri Sep 07 16:03:42 UTC 2007. 0 recommendations.

"YES,YES,YES AND YES.

kenneth macbeth
"

It was good for me too. *smokes cig*

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Written by Super Mario, Mushroom Kingdom, United Kingdom on Fri Sep 07 16:05:20 UTC 2007. 2 recommendations.

"If the Mcann girl had not been so undeniably pretty and cute, the GB public would not have been so upset.

Which says a lot about our nation's moral value system.

God Almighty "

HE'S A PEADO! GET HIM! BURN HIM!

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Written by Katy Slade, Bristol, United Kingdom on Fri Sep 07 16:08:06 UTC 2007. 1 recommendations.

It is NOT a sick comment, it is merely an uncomfortable question. I think it contains a fair amount of truth. If the Mcann girl had not been so undeniably pretty and cute, the GB public would not have been so upset.

Which says a lot about our nation's moral value system.

God Almighty

Plus, she had fine 'upstanding' middle class, white professional parents. I don't think that the automatic presumption of innocence by the same if they were working class or black etc.

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Written by God Almighty on Fri Sep 07 16:04:24 UTC 2007. 1 recommendations.

And is it only me who feels Madeline Mcann has become the new Princess Diana? If she'd been an ugly kid, do you think all this fuss would still have happened?**

Thats a very sick comment :-(
jesse james

It is NOT a sick comment, it is merely an uncomfortable question. I think it contains a fair amount of truth. If the Mcann girl had not been so undeniably pretty and cute, the GB public would not have been so upset.

Which says a lot about our nation's moral value system.

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