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EU referendum live: IFS says Gove wrong to claim leaving EU could boost NHS spending EU referendum live: IFS says Gove wrong to claim leaving EU could boost NHS spending
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Afternoon summary
It has come to our attention that Vote Leave appear to have paid for online advertising to ensure that their campaign website regarding registration is promoted ahead of the Government website that directly enables citizens to register to vote. The Vote Leave campaign site presents users with a form to fill in their contact details and then click on a button which clearly says ‘Register to Vote’. This website, however, does not enable people to register, and therefore could easily mislead people in to thinking that they have secured their ballot paper. By securing a ranking for this site higher than the official registration site, Vote Leave’s underhand tactics could disenfranchise citizens without their knowledge who have in good faith used this site to try to register.
Leading pro-Brexit politicians are confident Britain could do a quick deal with the EU to keep trade flowing. But even if that happens, Britain’s rights at the WTO will be in “a vacuum”.
“I don’t see how just negotiating with the EU is going to obviate the necessity to establish what the parameters are between the UK and all other WTO members,” Azevedo said.
He declined to predict how long such talks could take.
“It could be a few years, it could be decades. But our experience suggests that to expect smooth sailing and quick results would be a high-risk bet.”
That’s all from me for today.
Thanks for the comments.
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Boris Johnson increases his lead over Cameron as trusted figure on EU mattersBoris Johnson increases his lead over Cameron as trusted figure on EU matters
The smart reaction to today’s YouGov poll (pdf) is to remember that polls aren’t always a reliable guide to an election. This, from Ian Leslie, is shrewd.The smart reaction to today’s YouGov poll (pdf) is to remember that polls aren’t always a reliable guide to an election. This, from Ian Leslie, is shrewd.
These polls forcing me to consider that Leave might win, against all instinct. Now I'm wondering whether Miliband will have to resign as PM.These polls forcing me to consider that Leave might win, against all instinct. Now I'm wondering whether Miliband will have to resign as PM.
Still, as my colleague Tom Clark says, there does seem to be trend.Still, as my colleague Tom Clark says, there does seem to be trend.
Poll scepticism sensible, but smthng afoot: Leave's forward march now seen in: ICM online (twice); ICM phone; Opinium; YouGov; TNSPoll scepticism sensible, but smthng afoot: Leave's forward march now seen in: ICM online (twice); ICM phone; Opinium; YouGov; TNS
More importantly, two of the non-headline findings in the YouGov poll should be very worrying to the Remain camp.More importantly, two of the non-headline findings in the YouGov poll should be very worrying to the Remain camp.
First, YouGov ask people who they would vote if they knew they were going to be £100 a year worse off if the UK left the EU. When YouGov asked this in early April, Remain had a 9-point lead (Remain 45%, Leave 36%.)First, YouGov ask people who they would vote if they knew they were going to be £100 a year worse off if the UK left the EU. When YouGov asked this in early April, Remain had a 9-point lead (Remain 45%, Leave 36%.)
But now Leave has a 2-point lead when the same question is asked (Remain 42%, Leave 44%).But now Leave has a 2-point lead when the same question is asked (Remain 42%, Leave 44%).
This is particularly interesting because in the past research has suggested that being told leaving the EU would leave people worse off by just £25 a year was enough to swing a poll in favour of Remain.This is particularly interesting because in the past research has suggested that being told leaving the EU would leave people worse off by just £25 a year was enough to swing a poll in favour of Remain.
Second, YouGov asked people how much they trusted various politicians with regard to the debate about EU membership. By some margin Boris Johnson is more trusted than the others. Also, over the two months Johnson’s rating has actually gone up. Here are the figures.Second, YouGov asked people how much they trusted various politicians with regard to the debate about EU membership. By some margin Boris Johnson is more trusted than the others. Also, over the two months Johnson’s rating has actually gone up. Here are the figures.
Boris Johnson: -26 net (31% trusting him minus 57% not trusting him) - Up 1 point since early April (ie, marginally more trusted)Boris Johnson: -26 net (31% trusting him minus 57% not trusting him) - Up 1 point since early April (ie, marginally more trusted)
Nicola Sturgeon: -33 (Up 1)Nicola Sturgeon: -33 (Up 1)
Jeremy Corbyn: -36 net (Down 11)Jeremy Corbyn: -36 net (Down 11)
Nigel Farage: -39 net (Up 6 points)Nigel Farage: -39 net (Up 6 points)
David Cameron : -53 net (Down 10 points)David Cameron : -53 net (Down 10 points)
Coming after Johnson’s evidence to the Commons Treasury committee (described as “mountains of nonsense” by the Tory chair Andrew Tyrie), his claim that the EU stops shops selling bananas in bunches of more than three, the bogus claim on the Vote Leave battlebus about EU membership costing the UK £350m a week and today’s “triple whammy” hyperbole (see 9.16am and 4.30pm), this is surprising, to say the least. Most politicians are capable of twisting the truth. But Johnson, as my colleague Jonathan Freedland pointed out in a column last month, is one of the few who has been sacked twice for dishonesty.Coming after Johnson’s evidence to the Commons Treasury committee (described as “mountains of nonsense” by the Tory chair Andrew Tyrie), his claim that the EU stops shops selling bananas in bunches of more than three, the bogus claim on the Vote Leave battlebus about EU membership costing the UK £350m a week and today’s “triple whammy” hyperbole (see 9.16am and 4.30pm), this is surprising, to say the least. Most politicians are capable of twisting the truth. But Johnson, as my colleague Jonathan Freedland pointed out in a column last month, is one of the few who has been sacked twice for dishonesty.
Sometimes I feel I don’t understand UK politics anymore. If Leave do win the referendum, the explanation will lie somewhere in the factors explaining these figures.Sometimes I feel I don’t understand UK politics anymore. If Leave do win the referendum, the explanation will lie somewhere in the factors explaining these figures.
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Vote Leave is claiming today that the UK could have to pay an extra £2.4bn into the EU budget to help pay for a “black hole” that has emerged in the accounts. (See 9.16am.)Vote Leave is claiming today that the UK could have to pay an extra £2.4bn into the EU budget to help pay for a “black hole” that has emerged in the accounts. (See 9.16am.)
Full Fact, the fact checking website, has looked at this and concluded that Vote Leave is wrong. It says:Full Fact, the fact checking website, has looked at this and concluded that Vote Leave is wrong. It says:
In December 2014, the EU did owe £19.4bn in payments to support poorer regions. But the UK won’t be forced to make any additional payments beyond its regular contribution to the EU budget.In December 2014, the EU did owe £19.4bn in payments to support poorer regions. But the UK won’t be forced to make any additional payments beyond its regular contribution to the EU budget.
The full analysis is here.The full analysis is here.
UPDATE: Full Fact’s statement originally said the amount owed was less than £19.4bn, because a reduction had been negotiated, but following clarification from the European commission it now says the full £19.4bn will be paid. I have removed a sentence from the quote above in the light of that clarification. But the key point - that the UK won’t be forced to make additional payments - still applies.UPDATE: Full Fact’s statement originally said the amount owed was less than £19.4bn, because a reduction had been negotiated, but following clarification from the European commission it now says the full £19.4bn will be paid. I have removed a sentence from the quote above in the light of that clarification. But the key point - that the UK won’t be forced to make additional payments - still applies.
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The Loughborough University Centre for Research in Communication and Culture has published its latest analysis of EU referendum reporting. As it explains in its news release, it found that Labour is being “practically ignored”.The Loughborough University Centre for Research in Communication and Culture has published its latest analysis of EU referendum reporting. As it explains in its news release, it found that Labour is being “practically ignored”.
Labour voices are present in less than 4% of TV coverage and just 8% of print coverage of the referendum, and no labour politicians are amongst the top 10 most frequently reported individuals.Labour voices are present in less than 4% of TV coverage and just 8% of print coverage of the referendum, and no labour politicians are amongst the top 10 most frequently reported individuals.
The party’s media presence in this latest period of analysis (19 May to 1 June 2016) is even lower than the first phase of the study (6-18 May), with the already low number of television appearances dropping by over 40%.The party’s media presence in this latest period of analysis (19 May to 1 June 2016) is even lower than the first phase of the study (6-18 May), with the already low number of television appearances dropping by over 40%.
Professor James Stanyer, the report’s co-author, said:Professor James Stanyer, the report’s co-author, said:
Labour is almost invisible in the UK media coverage of the EU referendum. This is in part due to the dominance of the Conservative ‘blue on blue’ conflict, but will also be down to Jeremy Corbyn’s reluctance to share a platform with the Tories.Labour is almost invisible in the UK media coverage of the EU referendum. This is in part due to the dominance of the Conservative ‘blue on blue’ conflict, but will also be down to Jeremy Corbyn’s reluctance to share a platform with the Tories.
With many believing it will be the Labour voters who ultimately decide the vote on the 23rd, their party’s lack of visibility across press and television will be a major concern.With many believing it will be the Labour voters who ultimately decide the vote on the 23rd, their party’s lack of visibility across press and television will be a major concern.
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Here is Alistair Darling, the former Labour chancellor, commenting on the IFS statement. He made his statement in a press notice issued by Britain Stronger in Europe.Here is Alistair Darling, the former Labour chancellor, commenting on the IFS statement. He made his statement in a press notice issued by Britain Stronger in Europe.
This unprecedented intervention from one of the country’s most respected economic experts shows that the Leave campaign do not have a credible economic plan for Britain’s future.This unprecedented intervention from one of the country’s most respected economic experts shows that the Leave campaign do not have a credible economic plan for Britain’s future.
The IFS are clear – leaving the EU’s Single Market would leave us spending less on public services such as the NHS, or taxing more, or borrowing more.The IFS are clear – leaving the EU’s Single Market would leave us spending less on public services such as the NHS, or taxing more, or borrowing more.
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IFS says Gove was wrong to claim leaving EU would free up more money for NHSIFS says Gove was wrong to claim leaving EU would free up more money for NHS
In his Sky News interview with Faisal Islam on Friday, Michael Gove, the justice secretary, claimed that the Institute for Fiscal Studies has backed claims that leaving the EU could free up more money for the NHS. Gove said:In his Sky News interview with Faisal Islam on Friday, Michael Gove, the justice secretary, claimed that the Institute for Fiscal Studies has backed claims that leaving the EU could free up more money for the NHS. Gove said:
There are billions of pounds that we send to the European Union every year and the Institute for Fiscal Studies has pointed out that if we took that money back we could spend it on our NHS.There are billions of pounds that we send to the European Union every year and the Institute for Fiscal Studies has pointed out that if we took that money back we could spend it on our NHS.
Today, in response to questions about this from journalist, the IFS has put a short statement on its website saying Gove was misrepresenting its analysis. It says:Today, in response to questions about this from journalist, the IFS has put a short statement on its website saying Gove was misrepresenting its analysis. It says:
Michael Gove claimed on Friday that the IFS had said that leaving the EU would free up £8bn to spend on the NHS. We have not said that. We have looked carefully at the likely public finance implications. We conclude that the net UK contribution to the EU over the next few years is indeed likely to be about £8bn a year, £8bn which would become available for other things were we to leave. However we also point out that even a small negative effect of just 0.6% on national income from leaving the EU would damage the public finances by more than that £8bn. There is virtual unanimity among economic forecasters that the negative economic effect of leaving the EU would be greater than that. That is why we conclude that leaving the EU would not, as Michael Gove claims we said, leave more money to spend on the NHS. Rather it would leave us spending less on public services, or taxing more, or borrowing more.Michael Gove claimed on Friday that the IFS had said that leaving the EU would free up £8bn to spend on the NHS. We have not said that. We have looked carefully at the likely public finance implications. We conclude that the net UK contribution to the EU over the next few years is indeed likely to be about £8bn a year, £8bn which would become available for other things were we to leave. However we also point out that even a small negative effect of just 0.6% on national income from leaving the EU would damage the public finances by more than that £8bn. There is virtual unanimity among economic forecasters that the negative economic effect of leaving the EU would be greater than that. That is why we conclude that leaving the EU would not, as Michael Gove claims we said, leave more money to spend on the NHS. Rather it would leave us spending less on public services, or taxing more, or borrowing more.
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(Late) lunchtime summary(Late) lunchtime summary
People are trying to sell it in terms of sales of two rival products. They want to say that we are selling democracy - because that’s what we believe in - and they say that they are selling economics, because they think they have the stronger hand there. That is basically because on the Remain side of the argument, they totally get that we are winning all the democratic points. What they say is that that sacrifice of democracy is worth it for the economic gain.People are trying to sell it in terms of sales of two rival products. They want to say that we are selling democracy - because that’s what we believe in - and they say that they are selling economics, because they think they have the stronger hand there. That is basically because on the Remain side of the argument, they totally get that we are winning all the democratic points. What they say is that that sacrifice of democracy is worth it for the economic gain.
What I want to say to you today is that that argument is morally and practically and completely wrong, and that democracy is in fact the vital ingredient of economic success. It is irreplaceable and we need to restore it because it is the absence of democratic control that is having all sorts of disastrous consequences for Britain and for the whole of the EU.What I want to say to you today is that that argument is morally and practically and completely wrong, and that democracy is in fact the vital ingredient of economic success. It is irreplaceable and we need to restore it because it is the absence of democratic control that is having all sorts of disastrous consequences for Britain and for the whole of the EU.
The risks of remaining in this over-centralising, over-regulating, job-destroying machine are becoming more and more obvious, and that’s why I think that we are winning the arguments today and that is why we are hearing quite so much rattling from the other side.The risks of remaining in this over-centralising, over-regulating, job-destroying machine are becoming more and more obvious, and that’s why I think that we are winning the arguments today and that is why we are hearing quite so much rattling from the other side.
Asked @jeremycorbyn's office why @HarrietHarman was on cross party platform but the Leader wasn't? In turn they question why she *was* thereAsked @jeremycorbyn's office why @HarrietHarman was on cross party platform but the Leader wasn't? In turn they question why she *was* there
The pound will go where it will over the short term. But, believe me, in the long term you can look forward to fantastic success for this country. I think the pound’s value will depend entirely on the strength of the UK economy.The pound will go where it will over the short term. But, believe me, in the long term you can look forward to fantastic success for this country. I think the pound’s value will depend entirely on the strength of the UK economy.
I negotiated for the first time a reduction in the European Union spending, not just over one year but over six years. The amount being spent on the budget is coming down, not up. Anything the European Union spends has to be within the ceiling of the budget commitment that I negotiated ...I negotiated for the first time a reduction in the European Union spending, not just over one year but over six years. The amount being spent on the budget is coming down, not up. Anything the European Union spends has to be within the ceiling of the budget commitment that I negotiated ...
Our rebate is something that can only be given away if the British prime minister agrees. I can only be changed by unanimity.Our rebate is something that can only be given away if the British prime minister agrees. I can only be changed by unanimity.
But Johnson said in practice the UK would end up paying more into the EU budget if it stayed, not least because there was a £20bn black hole in the budget which would require Britain to contribute an extra £2.4bn. He told journalists:But Johnson said in practice the UK would end up paying more into the EU budget if it stayed, not least because there was a £20bn black hole in the budget which would require Britain to contribute an extra £2.4bn. He told journalists:
As far as I can see under article 122 of the treaty, there is absolutely no way that we will be able in the future to be able to insulate ourselves from such calls on the British taxpayer.As far as I can see under article 122 of the treaty, there is absolutely no way that we will be able in the future to be able to insulate ourselves from such calls on the British taxpayer.
When you look at the deficits in the southern regions of the EU, when you look at the budgetary problems they have got, there is no doubt in my mind, as they go forward trying to keep this thing together, they are going to be calling on all EU members to try to do that and they have solid treaty basis upon which to do so.When you look at the deficits in the southern regions of the EU, when you look at the budgetary problems they have got, there is no doubt in my mind, as they go forward trying to keep this thing together, they are going to be calling on all EU members to try to do that and they have solid treaty basis upon which to do so.
The idea that the opt-out [the opt-out Cameron negotiated, saying the UK would not have to contribute to future eurozone bailouts] it somehow going to protect us - it has no legal basis at the moment, it is not in the treaty, and you saw what happened to the Danish opt-outs in 1992; they can be simply overridden by the European court. And you have seen the way the commission treats us. I’m afraid I place very little faith in those assurances. I think people should realise that as the euro continues to have problems, there is no way that remaining within the EU that we can insulate ourselves, either from the migration flows or from the cost of keeping it going.The idea that the opt-out [the opt-out Cameron negotiated, saying the UK would not have to contribute to future eurozone bailouts] it somehow going to protect us - it has no legal basis at the moment, it is not in the treaty, and you saw what happened to the Danish opt-outs in 1992; they can be simply overridden by the European court. And you have seen the way the commission treats us. I’m afraid I place very little faith in those assurances. I think people should realise that as the euro continues to have problems, there is no way that remaining within the EU that we can insulate ourselves, either from the migration flows or from the cost of keeping it going.
People saying, as some of the Leave campaign did the other day, “I’m fed up of hearing from experts” - Would you build a bridge without listening to expert engineers or architects?People saying, as some of the Leave campaign did the other day, “I’m fed up of hearing from experts” - Would you build a bridge without listening to expert engineers or architects?
Cameron was referring to what Gove said on Sky News on Friday. Gove told Sky’s Faisal Islam.Cameron was referring to what Gove said on Sky News on Friday. Gove told Sky’s Faisal Islam.
I think the people of this country have had enough of experts from organisations with acronyms saying that they know what is best and getting it consistently wrong.I think the people of this country have had enough of experts from organisations with acronyms saying that they know what is best and getting it consistently wrong.
But at the Vote Leave event today Gove was happy to quote “experts” who have said Schengen is a security risk. He told journalists:But at the Vote Leave event today Gove was happy to quote “experts” who have said Schengen is a security risk. He told journalists:
On the fact about Schengen and terrorism, I was quoting Ronald Noble, who was the head of Interpol, and it is a view that is reinforced by Richard Dearlove, who used to be in charge of MI6, and Mike Hayden, who was in charge of the CIA - three key experts in dealing with terrorism, all of whom say that the borderless Schengen area facilitates the work of terrorists.On the fact about Schengen and terrorism, I was quoting Ronald Noble, who was the head of Interpol, and it is a view that is reinforced by Richard Dearlove, who used to be in charge of MI6, and Mike Hayden, who was in charge of the CIA - three key experts in dealing with terrorism, all of whom say that the borderless Schengen area facilitates the work of terrorists.
(To be fair, on Sky News Gove was talking about economists. Perhaps he only disapproves of economic experts, not security ones.)(To be fair, on Sky News Gove was talking about economists. Perhaps he only disapproves of economic experts, not security ones.)
Even more important than avoiding future dangers is countering the dangers which are clear and present. And That means freeing ourselves from the rogue European court of justice.Even more important than avoiding future dangers is countering the dangers which are clear and present. And That means freeing ourselves from the rogue European court of justice.
The European Court of Justice isn’t a normal court of the kind we in Britain understand. It’s not overseen by independent judges who are there to interpret and enforce laws agreed by a democratically elected legislature.The European Court of Justice isn’t a normal court of the kind we in Britain understand. It’s not overseen by independent judges who are there to interpret and enforce laws agreed by a democratically elected legislature.
It’s a court with a fundamentally political agenda. And that is to further the the cause of European integration, no matter what the people think.It’s a court with a fundamentally political agenda. And that is to further the the cause of European integration, no matter what the people think.
I would like to issue a challenge to the media: please start covering this referendum campaign rather than treating it as a Tory leadership contest.I would like to issue a challenge to the media: please start covering this referendum campaign rather than treating it as a Tory leadership contest.
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Nicola Sturgeon, the SNP leader and Scottish first minister, has been tweeting about her reasons for supporting Remain. She will be one of three politicians arguing for Remain in the ITV debate on Thursday.Nicola Sturgeon, the SNP leader and Scottish first minister, has been tweeting about her reasons for supporting Remain. She will be one of three politicians arguing for Remain in the ITV debate on Thursday.
1/4 Those of us who don't want to turn our back on the world have a big job of work to do in next two weeks...1/4 Those of us who don't want to turn our back on the world have a big job of work to do in next two weeks...
2/4 ...I believe in independence - passionately - but also in independent countries working together for good of all...2/4 ...I believe in independence - passionately - but also in independent countries working together for good of all...
3/4 ...working together to protect workers, tackle climate change, preserve peace and guarantee our freedom of movement...3/4 ...working together to protect workers, tackle climate change, preserve peace and guarantee our freedom of movement...
4/4 ...the Nigel Farage/Boris Johnson view of the world is not mine nor, I believe, that of majority of Scots. Let's show that. #VoteRemain4/4 ...the Nigel Farage/Boris Johnson view of the world is not mine nor, I believe, that of majority of Scots. Let's show that. #VoteRemain
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Q: Aren’t you encouraging hatred and bigotry?Q: Aren’t you encouraging hatred and bigotry?
Farage says the political class has lied to people about Europe for 40 years. He says Anna Soubry, a business minister, recently said trade with the EU could dry up if the UK left the EU. That’s rubbish, he says. Just go to the supermarket this afternoon and look at all the goods from the EU on sale, he says.Farage says the political class has lied to people about Europe for 40 years. He says Anna Soubry, a business minister, recently said trade with the EU could dry up if the UK left the EU. That’s rubbish, he says. Just go to the supermarket this afternoon and look at all the goods from the EU on sale, he says.
And that’s it. Referendum call with Farage is over.And that’s it. Referendum call with Farage is over.
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Q: If an EU army is formed, will our army and nuclear weapons be included?Q: If an EU army is formed, will our army and nuclear weapons be included?
Farage says if he could prove that, he would win the referendum easily. But he says that two years ago when he debated Nick Clegg, Clegg says Farage was a fantasist because he warned about this. But now it is happening. They are due to discuss it after the referendum. Jean-Claude Juncker has said he wants one.Farage says if he could prove that, he would win the referendum easily. But he says that two years ago when he debated Nick Clegg, Clegg says Farage was a fantasist because he warned about this. But now it is happening. They are due to discuss it after the referendum. Jean-Claude Juncker has said he wants one.
Q: But the UK could veto it.Q: But the UK could veto it.
No, says Farage. Under enhanced cooperation rules the UK could not veto this.No, says Farage. Under enhanced cooperation rules the UK could not veto this.
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Farage says, even if we went back to having to pay tariffs to trade with the EU, those tariffs would be so low that the savings from not having to contribute to the EU’s budget would compensate.Farage says, even if we went back to having to pay tariffs to trade with the EU, those tariffs would be so low that the savings from not having to contribute to the EU’s budget would compensate.
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Farage says he is bored with hearing people say the EU needs to be reformed. The constitutional convention was supposed to achieve this. One of the debates was about whether it should be democratised. But that option was utterly rejected, he says.Farage says he is bored with hearing people say the EU needs to be reformed. The constitutional convention was supposed to achieve this. One of the debates was about whether it should be democratised. But that option was utterly rejected, he says.
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Q: [From a Cornish fisherman] Would we get back control of our water?Q: [From a Cornish fisherman] Would we get back control of our water?
Yes, says Farage. He says he attended a meeting recently with Norwegian fishermen. Their fishing waters extend for 200 miles, and their fishing industry is booming, he says.Yes, says Farage. He says he attended a meeting recently with Norwegian fishermen. Their fishing waters extend for 200 miles, and their fishing industry is booming, he says.
He says he is a fisherman himself. But if he catches a sea bass, he is not allowed to take it home under EU laws, he says.He says he is a fisherman himself. But if he catches a sea bass, he is not allowed to take it home under EU laws, he says.
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Q: If we bring in visas for EU citizens, they will retaliate, won’t they? For a family of four, going to Spain could cost £150.Q: If we bring in visas for EU citizens, they will retaliate, won’t they? For a family of four, going to Spain could cost £150.
Farage says he does not seen any need for visas for travel or holidays. But he does see the need for work permits.Farage says he does not seen any need for visas for travel or holidays. But he does see the need for work permits.
He says the British spend a lot of money in Spain and France. They were not going to want to put a barrier in the way of Britons coming, he says.He says the British spend a lot of money in Spain and France. They were not going to want to put a barrier in the way of Britons coming, he says.
Q: Would there be a border between Northern Ireland and the Irish Republic?Q: Would there be a border between Northern Ireland and the Irish Republic?
No, says Farage. He says the Republic was sensible enough not to join the Schengen area.No, says Farage. He says the Republic was sensible enough not to join the Schengen area.
Q: So how would you stop EU citizens coming to Ireland, and then travelling to Northern Ireland?Q: So how would you stop EU citizens coming to Ireland, and then travelling to Northern Ireland?
Farage says that is something you would have to keep an eye on.Farage says that is something you would have to keep an eye on.
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Q: Will Britain have a veto on Turkey joining the EU?Q: Will Britain have a veto on Turkey joining the EU?
Farage says Cameron has said he wants Turkey to join the EU. He has got a veto. But it is not one he would ever use.Farage says Cameron has said he wants Turkey to join the EU. He has got a veto. But it is not one he would ever use.
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Q: [From a woman living in France] What compensation will people like us get if we lose our pensions and free health care if the UK leaves the EU?Q: [From a woman living in France] What compensation will people like us get if we lose our pensions and free health care if the UK leaves the EU?
Farage says the caller has been influenced by a scare campaign. He says the UK government pays the woman’s pension, so that will not be affected. And she will still get health care provided the UK continues to pay, as it does now. That will not change.Farage says the caller has been influenced by a scare campaign. He says the UK government pays the woman’s pension, so that will not be affected. And she will still get health care provided the UK continues to pay, as it does now. That will not change.
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Nigel Farage on World at One's Referendum CallNigel Farage on World at One's Referendum Call
Nigel Farage, the Ukip leader, is on the the World at One’s referendum call now.Nigel Farage, the Ukip leader, is on the the World at One’s referendum call now.
He says even if the EU does not offer the UK a trade deal, the UK would still be better off out.He says even if the EU does not offer the UK a trade deal, the UK would still be better off out.
Q: But all the experts say we would be better off in.Q: But all the experts say we would be better off in.
Farage says there is something called groupthink out there. Organisations that are similar often think the same. They said we should join the euro, and that would have been a mistake. We should ignore them now.Farage says there is something called groupthink out there. Organisations that are similar often think the same. They said we should join the euro, and that would have been a mistake. We should ignore them now.
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Martin Lewis, who founded the MoneySavingExpert.com website, has just been on the World at One. He said that he personally was backing Remain because he is risk averse, and he thinks Brexit is the riskier option. But other people will take a different approach to risk and may want to vote differently, he said.Martin Lewis, who founded the MoneySavingExpert.com website, has just been on the World at One. He said that he personally was backing Remain because he is risk averse, and he thinks Brexit is the riskier option. But other people will take a different approach to risk and may want to vote differently, he said.
He said there were more shades of grey here than on EL James’s bookshelf.He said there were more shades of grey here than on EL James’s bookshelf.
This morning David Cameron tweeted a link to an article by Lewis explaining his position.This morning David Cameron tweeted a link to an article by Lewis explaining his position.
Not sure which way to vote in the EU referendum? Read this from finance expert @MartinSLewis on why he's voting IN: https://t.co/rQof2uI88gNot sure which way to vote in the EU referendum? Read this from finance expert @MartinSLewis on why he's voting IN: https://t.co/rQof2uI88g
Here is an extract from Lewis’s blog.Here is an extract from Lewis’s blog.
I’m generally risk-averse, and that pushes me just towards an IN vote for safety, maybe 55% to 45%. Yet just as my dream holiday isn’t necessarily yours, no more is my choice of what’s right a call for you to follow me.I’m generally risk-averse, and that pushes me just towards an IN vote for safety, maybe 55% to 45%. Yet just as my dream holiday isn’t necessarily yours, no more is my choice of what’s right a call for you to follow me.
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Osborne says Brexit would lead to border controls coming back in Northern IrelandOsborne says Brexit would lead to border controls coming back in Northern Ireland
George Osborne, the chancellor, has been in Northern Ireland today campaign for Britain to remain in the EU. He went to Warrenpoint Port in Co Down, which is a stone’s throw from the Irish Republic, to warn about the implications of Brexit. Pointing to the Carlingford Lough waterway which separates the two countries, he said:George Osborne, the chancellor, has been in Northern Ireland today campaign for Britain to remain in the EU. He went to Warrenpoint Port in Co Down, which is a stone’s throw from the Irish Republic, to warn about the implications of Brexit. Pointing to the Carlingford Lough waterway which separates the two countries, he said:
Let’s be clear, if we quit the EU then this is going to be the border with the European Union.Let’s be clear, if we quit the EU then this is going to be the border with the European Union.
And all the things that those that want to quit the EU claim would happen - ie new immigration checkpoints, border controls and an end to free movement - that has a real consequence, and there would have to be a real hardening of the border imposed either by the British government or indeed by the Irish government ...And all the things that those that want to quit the EU claim would happen - ie new immigration checkpoints, border controls and an end to free movement - that has a real consequence, and there would have to be a real hardening of the border imposed either by the British government or indeed by the Irish government ...
I was just talking to a guy who drives a truck - he remembers when it used to take two hours to get across the border and, as a result, business wouldn’t come here, jobs wouldn’t come here, people would trade directly with the Republic.I was just talking to a guy who drives a truck - he remembers when it used to take two hours to get across the border and, as a result, business wouldn’t come here, jobs wouldn’t come here, people would trade directly with the Republic.
Leave campaigners in Northern Ireland, who include the Northern Ireland secretary Theresa Villiers, reject claims that Brexit would lead to border controls being re-imposed between Northern Ireland and the Republic.Leave campaigners in Northern Ireland, who include the Northern Ireland secretary Theresa Villiers, reject claims that Brexit would lead to border controls being re-imposed between Northern Ireland and the Republic.