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| EU referendum live: Jeremy Corbyn urges Labour supporters to vote remain | EU referendum live: Jeremy Corbyn urges Labour supporters to vote remain |
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| The Daily Mail’s Jason Groves says Tom Watson seems to have changed his mind about free movement of labour since last Friday. | |
| I asked Tom Watson about EU free movement rules on Friday. If he felt they needed tightening up, he didn't mention it | |
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| According to the BBC, this is what the pro-Brexit Labour MP John Mann is saying about Tom Watson’s statement on the need to review free movement of labour rules. (See 3.29pm.) | |
| While it is welcome that they are finally admitting that uncontrolled migration is a problem, the truth is that they still have no solutions. If Cameron’s ‘renegotiation’ told us one thing, it is that the EU will not move on this founding principle. | |
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| Around 16% of pupils in England did not get into their first choice of secondary school this year, according to figures out today. | |
| In a Vote Leave press statement the employment minister Priti Patel says: | |
| The shortage of school places - with one in six children in England missing out on a place at their top choice of secondary school - is yet another example of how uncontrolled migration is putting unsustainable pressures on our public services. Education is one of the most important things that government delivers, and it’s deeply regrettable that so many families and young people have been let down in this way. | |
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| TNS have now published details of their new poll. It was supposed to be embargoed, but the headline findings were published early on Twitter. | |
| Here are the key findings. | |
| Remain: 40% | |
| Leave: 47% | |
| Undecided/would not vote: 13% | |
| TNS polled 2,497 people online. | |
| This is from Luke Taylor, head of social and political attitudes at TNS UK. | |
| It should be noted that among the entire general public the picture is more balanced with 33% supporting Remain, 35% supporting Leave and 32% undecided or planning not to vote. | |
| Taking into account likelihood to vote and whether or not people are registered to vote, benefits ‘Leave’ over ‘Remain’. In particular, our turnout model penalises younger people and those that did not vote in the previous general election, as historically these groups are less likely to vote. However, this model is based on general elections and as this is a referendum turnout among these groups may be higher than expected, boosting the Remain score. | |
| Furthermore, while this poll presents a substantial lead for ‘Leave’ over ‘Remain’ among those voters that have now made up their minds, the proportion selecting ‘Leave’ is still a minority of all voters. There are still many undecided voters out there and the history of referendums suggests that they will largely opt for the status quo. | |
| This swing towards Leave since our last poll in late May might be due to a genuine change in opinion among voters but it could also be due to random error. | |
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| Here is more on recent EU referendum polling. | |
| Leave lead in recent #euref polls reporting on..Jun 14 +7 Jun 13 +7 Jun 13 +5 June 13 +5Jun 12 +1Jun 10 +1Jun 10 -2Jun 9 +10 | |
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| TNS poll gives Leave a 7-point lead | |
| TNS has got a new EU opinion poll out. It was supposed to be embargoed until later, but the academic Matthew Goodwin has posted the figures on Twitter. | |
| New EU referendum poll:Remain: 40% (-1)Leave: 47% (+4)via TNS (online) | |
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| Tristram Hunt, the Labour MP and former shadow education secretary, agrees with Tom Watson on the need for the EU’s free movement of labour rules to be reviewed.(See 3.29pm.) | |
| .@tom_watson right to say we need to look at controls on free movement within the EU - the status quo is unsustainable | |
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| Watson says EU free movement of labour rules may need revising | |
| Here is the full quote from Tom Watson, Labour’s deputy leader, saying free movement of labour in the EU may have to be curbed in future. He told the BBC: | |
| For the last decade I would say immigration has been the backdrop to every election we’ve had in Britain. Woe betide politicians who don’t listen to what voters tell them. | |
| And that’s a familiar story across Europe as well, you know, if you look at Germany or Austria or other European countries. I think what we have to say, I did say the immigration issue was complicated, I think what we have to reassure people is that if they vote remain on Thursday June 23, that isn’t the end of the reform package for Europe. I think a future Europe will have to look at things like the free movement of labour rules. | |
| According to the New Statesman’s George Eaton, Jeremy Corbyn’s office is trying to downplay the significance of this. | |
| Corbyn spokesman tells me Tom Watson was "repeating Labour's line that reforms were required in EU laws" to prevent "undercutting of pay". | |
| It is clear from the quote that Watson was going further than Corbyn’s spokesman is implying. However, according to another source, Watson was not trying to float new policy ahead of the referendum. He made his remark at the end of a relatively long interview, and he was just making a general point about the future. He was also arguing that Britain could end up being affected by free movement rules even if it left the EU (as Norway is) and that therefore it needs to remain in to have a say over how they develop, the source says. | |
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| In his speech Jeremy Corbyn criticised Arron Banks, the Leave.EU co-founder, for wanting to privatise the NHS. (See 1.10am.) | In his speech Jeremy Corbyn criticised Arron Banks, the Leave.EU co-founder, for wanting to privatise the NHS. (See 1.10am.) |
| Banks has hit back with a statement. He said: | Banks has hit back with a statement. He said: |
| Fat cat my arse. I started my business with nothing but a desk and two phones, and I’ve never worn a fur coat or owned a Bentley. | Fat cat my arse. I started my business with nothing but a desk and two phones, and I’ve never worn a fur coat or owned a Bentley. |
| I once said that I thought wealthier people should pay top-up insurance to help the NHS – the sort of policy which should be music to Jeremy’s ears. | I once said that I thought wealthier people should pay top-up insurance to help the NHS – the sort of policy which should be music to Jeremy’s ears. |
| You have to feel sorry for old Jez, really. Voted to leave in ‘75, voted against Maastricht, voted against Lisbon – but now the Blairites have got him supping cream from the same EU bowl as Cameron, Osborne and the crooked mega-banks who are the real fat cats in this referendum, drooling at the prospect of being able to buy up huge chunks of the health service after Brussels finalises its dodgy TTIP deal with the US. | You have to feel sorry for old Jez, really. Voted to leave in ‘75, voted against Maastricht, voted against Lisbon – but now the Blairites have got him supping cream from the same EU bowl as Cameron, Osborne and the crooked mega-banks who are the real fat cats in this referendum, drooling at the prospect of being able to buy up huge chunks of the health service after Brussels finalises its dodgy TTIP deal with the US. |
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| Lunchtime summary | Lunchtime summary |
| How dare hard right Tories and UKIP pose as NHS champions. | How dare hard right Tories and UKIP pose as NHS champions. |
| Let’s be honest, they love the NHS in the way that Dracula loves a blood bank. | Let’s be honest, they love the NHS in the way that Dracula loves a blood bank. |
| Does anyone really believe that Boris Johnson cares about the NHS? | Does anyone really believe that Boris Johnson cares about the NHS? |
| The same Boris Johnson who is on record as saying he doesn’t believe in a free NHS; and that if people paid for services, they would value them more ... | The same Boris Johnson who is on record as saying he doesn’t believe in a free NHS; and that if people paid for services, they would value them more ... |
| So do we trust the leaders of the Leave campaign to have the best interests of the NHS at heart? | So do we trust the leaders of the Leave campaign to have the best interests of the NHS at heart? |
| Not on your life. | Not on your life. |
| I can sum them up in just three words. | I can sum them up in just three words. |
| Fibbers, fakes and phonies. | Fibbers, fakes and phonies. |
| And Prentis said in his speech: | And Prentis said in his speech: |
| I don’t think I’ve ever seen a national campaign as grubby and deceitful as the one being waged by the Brexiteers. | I don’t think I’ve ever seen a national campaign as grubby and deceitful as the one being waged by the Brexiteers. |
| The likes of Michael Gove and Boris Johnson have been rampant cheerleaders for eye-watering austerity. Yet now they masquerade as the friend of public servant and public service user. | The likes of Michael Gove and Boris Johnson have been rampant cheerleaders for eye-watering austerity. Yet now they masquerade as the friend of public servant and public service user. |
| At Corbyn event, just been speaking to dep leader Tom Watson - he tells me there should be controls on freedom of movement for EU migrants | At Corbyn event, just been speaking to dep leader Tom Watson - he tells me there should be controls on freedom of movement for EU migrants |
| Watson-voters been 'telling us for a long time' party needs to do more on immigration, suggests any future govt need to curb freedom of movt | Watson-voters been 'telling us for a long time' party needs to do more on immigration, suggests any future govt need to curb freedom of movt |
| Watson was speaking after Ed Balls, the former shadow chancellor, used an article in the Mirror to say Labour should “press Europe to ... put new controls on economic migration”. | Watson was speaking after Ed Balls, the former shadow chancellor, used an article in the Mirror to say Labour should “press Europe to ... put new controls on economic migration”. |
| One of the things that concerns me about immigration, and I had this discussion with the governor of the Bank of England a number of times last year, was about the downward pressure on wages in the UK which, at this point in the economic cycle, should be rising now. I think, for people in the country, that’s one of the big concerns. | One of the things that concerns me about immigration, and I had this discussion with the governor of the Bank of England a number of times last year, was about the downward pressure on wages in the UK which, at this point in the economic cycle, should be rising now. I think, for people in the country, that’s one of the big concerns. |
| Secondly, I think it’s having an impact on skills training. We have over half a million unemployed under-25s, which is a national scandal. A lot of corporates really gave up training. If you’ve got an unlimited supply of cheap labour from the EU, you don’t really need to bother training people. | Secondly, I think it’s having an impact on skills training. We have over half a million unemployed under-25s, which is a national scandal. A lot of corporates really gave up training. If you’ve got an unlimited supply of cheap labour from the EU, you don’t really need to bother training people. |
| I think, potentially, the effects of this referendum on the Conservative party, the Labour party, Ukip, could be very profound. We could see a big reshaping. | I think, potentially, the effects of this referendum on the Conservative party, the Labour party, Ukip, could be very profound. We could see a big reshaping. |
| He also claimed Labour was “utterly disconnected” with its supporters. | He also claimed Labour was “utterly disconnected” with its supporters. |
| I’ve been to the real Labour heartlands in this country and, let me tell you, the Labour party is utterly disconnected with a very large chunk of its roots. | I’ve been to the real Labour heartlands in this country and, let me tell you, the Labour party is utterly disconnected with a very large chunk of its roots. |
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| Corbyn's NHS speech - Snap verdict: | Corbyn's NHS speech - Snap verdict: |
| Corbyn’s NHS speech - Snap verdict: Jeremy Corbyn is never particularly comfortable attacking Brexit per se. But he is sincere and passionate when it comes to denouncing Tory Brexit - what would happen if Britain were to leave the EU, with a rightwing Conservative government left in charge - and so today, after making some generalised remarks about the value of the EU to workers (see 12.38pm), he gave a full speech arguing it was important to vote to remain because Brexit would damage the NHS. | Corbyn’s NHS speech - Snap verdict: Jeremy Corbyn is never particularly comfortable attacking Brexit per se. But he is sincere and passionate when it comes to denouncing Tory Brexit - what would happen if Britain were to leave the EU, with a rightwing Conservative government left in charge - and so today, after making some generalised remarks about the value of the EU to workers (see 12.38pm), he gave a full speech arguing it was important to vote to remain because Brexit would damage the NHS. |
| David Cameron and George Osborne have also been making this argument, but they have been doing so on the grounds that Brexit would trigger a recession which would hurt the NHS because government finances would suffer. Corbyn does not seem happy to deploy this argument - on Sunday his ally, John McDonnell, said claims about the impact of Brexit on the economy were “exaggerated”- and instead he concentrated on arguing that the NHS would be at risk because the Leave campaign is led by ideological rightwingers who are not committed to socialised healthcare. (See 1.10pm.) | David Cameron and George Osborne have also been making this argument, but they have been doing so on the grounds that Brexit would trigger a recession which would hurt the NHS because government finances would suffer. Corbyn does not seem happy to deploy this argument - on Sunday his ally, John McDonnell, said claims about the impact of Brexit on the economy were “exaggerated”- and instead he concentrated on arguing that the NHS would be at risk because the Leave campaign is led by ideological rightwingers who are not committed to socialised healthcare. (See 1.10pm.) |
| This is true up to a point and Corbyn made the point effectively. But it did feel like a speech of only partial relevance to the EU referendum campaign. It is all very well trying to turn the referendum into a vote on the future of the NHS, but with so many other big issues at stake that is a mighty hard ask, and it did sound instead as if Corbyn was re-fighting the general election instead of focusing on the matter of Britain’s relationship with the EU. | This is true up to a point and Corbyn made the point effectively. But it did feel like a speech of only partial relevance to the EU referendum campaign. It is all very well trying to turn the referendum into a vote on the future of the NHS, but with so many other big issues at stake that is a mighty hard ask, and it did sound instead as if Corbyn was re-fighting the general election instead of focusing on the matter of Britain’s relationship with the EU. |
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| Corbyn praises the role EU migrants play in the NHS. | Corbyn praises the role EU migrants play in the NHS. |
| Fifty-two thousand EU nationals work in our NHS, as doctors, nurses and physiotherapists. They contribute to our country and save our lives. | Fifty-two thousand EU nationals work in our NHS, as doctors, nurses and physiotherapists. They contribute to our country and save our lives. |
| EU nationals are 4.7 percent of our population. Yet they are five percent of NHS nurses and ten percent of NHS doctors. | EU nationals are 4.7 percent of our population. Yet they are five percent of NHS nurses and ten percent of NHS doctors. |
| If you care about our NHS, don’t just listen me, listen to NHS staff – every NHS workers’ union and royal college is backing Remain. | If you care about our NHS, don’t just listen me, listen to NHS staff – every NHS workers’ union and royal college is backing Remain. |
| And now he’s wrapping up. | And now he’s wrapping up. |
| The risk to the NHS if we vote Leave is the damage to public finances caused by a hit to our economy, and the risk to our NHS by a victory for those who would scrap a universal NHS - free at the point of use. | The risk to the NHS if we vote Leave is the damage to public finances caused by a hit to our economy, and the risk to our NHS by a victory for those who would scrap a universal NHS - free at the point of use. |
| The NHS is a force for civilisation. If, like us, you care about our health service, then listen to the dedicated staff here today, dedicated to the NHS and dedicated to remaining in Europe. | The NHS is a force for civilisation. If, like us, you care about our health service, then listen to the dedicated staff here today, dedicated to the NHS and dedicated to remaining in Europe. |
| Please use your vote on 23 June to Remain and protect our NHS. | Please use your vote on 23 June to Remain and protect our NHS. |
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| Corbyn cites the Tory MP Sarah Wollaston to back his case. | Corbyn cites the Tory MP Sarah Wollaston to back his case. |
| It’s not just me or Labour that is saying this, Dr Sarah Wollaston, a Conservative MP and a former GP was until last week supporting the Leave campaign. | It’s not just me or Labour that is saying this, Dr Sarah Wollaston, a Conservative MP and a former GP was until last week supporting the Leave campaign. |
| This is what she had to say: “I could not have set foot on a battle bus that has at the heart of its campaign a figure that I know to be untrue”. Dr Sarah Woollaston is now voting for Remain, she said she feared what would happen to the NHS if we left what she called the “Brexit penalty”. | This is what she had to say: “I could not have set foot on a battle bus that has at the heart of its campaign a figure that I know to be untrue”. Dr Sarah Woollaston is now voting for Remain, she said she feared what would happen to the NHS if we left what she called the “Brexit penalty”. |
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| Corbyn repeats his call for the NHS to be excluded from TTIP, the transatlantic trade and investment partnership (the proposed EU/US trade deal). As it stands, Labour would veto TTIP, he says. | Corbyn repeats his call for the NHS to be excluded from TTIP, the transatlantic trade and investment partnership (the proposed EU/US trade deal). As it stands, Labour would veto TTIP, he says. |
| And he attacks Vote Leave for its claims about leaving the EU freeing up more money for the NHS. | And he attacks Vote Leave for its claims about leaving the EU freeing up more money for the NHS. |
| The Vote Leave bus said “we send the EU £350m a week, let’s fund the NHS instead”. | The Vote Leave bus said “we send the EU £350m a week, let’s fund the NHS instead”. |
| There’s a couple of problems with that, firstly the UK Statistics Authority says that slogan is “misleading” and told them to stop using it. | There’s a couple of problems with that, firstly the UK Statistics Authority says that slogan is “misleading” and told them to stop using it. |
| The UK Statistics Authority is diplomatic when they say “misleading”, they mean dishonest. It’s an outright lie, and they know it. | The UK Statistics Authority is diplomatic when they say “misleading”, they mean dishonest. It’s an outright lie, and they know it. |
| And they’ve since been forced to re-paint the bus. | And they’ve since been forced to re-paint the bus. |
| Does anyone really believe that those from the hard right of the Tories and Ukip would spend any extra funds on the NHS? | Does anyone really believe that those from the hard right of the Tories and Ukip would spend any extra funds on the NHS? |
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| Corbyn says leading Leave figures 'don’t even want there to be an NHS' | Corbyn says leading Leave figures 'don’t even want there to be an NHS' |
| Corbyn attacks the government’s record on the NHS. | Corbyn attacks the government’s record on the NHS. |
| And he says the NHS would be even worse if the leaders of the Leave side had their way. Many of them do not want an NHS, he says. | And he says the NHS would be even worse if the leaders of the Leave side had their way. Many of them do not want an NHS, he says. |
| That crisis would be even worse if many on the Leave side had their way. People who have argued against the NHS and free healthcare on demand in principle. These same people now have the audacity to portray themselves as the saviours of the NHS. Most of the Leave side – the Tory right and Ukip – don’t even want there to be an NHS. | That crisis would be even worse if many on the Leave side had their way. People who have argued against the NHS and free healthcare on demand in principle. These same people now have the audacity to portray themselves as the saviours of the NHS. Most of the Leave side – the Tory right and Ukip – don’t even want there to be an NHS. |
| The millionaire funder of the Leave side, Arron Banks said: “If it were up to me, I’d privatise the NHS.” | The millionaire funder of the Leave side, Arron Banks said: “If it were up to me, I’d privatise the NHS.” |
| Nigel Farage called for an insurance-based system to replace the NHS | Nigel Farage called for an insurance-based system to replace the NHS |
| Michael Gove is co-author of a book that says the NHS is “no longer relevant in the 21st century”. A book which calls for the NHS to be replaced by a new system of health provision in which people would pay money into individual health accounts. | Michael Gove is co-author of a book that says the NHS is “no longer relevant in the 21st century”. A book which calls for the NHS to be replaced by a new system of health provision in which people would pay money into individual health accounts. |
| And Boris Johnson, who said: “If people have to pay for NHS services, they will value them more”. | And Boris Johnson, who said: “If people have to pay for NHS services, they will value them more”. |
| (The Gove claim is based on this Observer about a book primarily written by Daniel Hannan, the Tory MEP, which includes a quote from Gove saying he does not agree with Hannan’s proposal to replace the NHS with an insurance system.) | (The Gove claim is based on this Observer about a book primarily written by Daniel Hannan, the Tory MEP, which includes a quote from Gove saying he does not agree with Hannan’s proposal to replace the NHS with an insurance system.) |
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| Corbyn's NHS speech | Corbyn's NHS speech |
| Jeremy Corbyn is now speaking. | Jeremy Corbyn is now speaking. |
| He says before he became an MP he represented NHS staff as a NUPE representative. | He says before he became an MP he represented NHS staff as a NUPE representative. |
| And the NHS is under threat if we leave, he says. | And the NHS is under threat if we leave, he says. |
| We have a big decision on 23 June, I value our NHS and admire the dedication of all its staff. I would not be voting for Remain if I thought there was any risk to our NHS whatsoever, the risk to the NHS is if we leave. | We have a big decision on 23 June, I value our NHS and admire the dedication of all its staff. I would not be voting for Remain if I thought there was any risk to our NHS whatsoever, the risk to the NHS is if we leave. |
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| Emily Maclean, a student midwife, is speaking now. She says giving birth should be a stress-free occasion. We should not gamble with the NHS, she says. | Emily Maclean, a student midwife, is speaking now. She says giving birth should be a stress-free occasion. We should not gamble with the NHS, she says. |