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| Qantas chief Alan Joyce says allowing same-sex wedding discrimination is 'perverse' – politics live | Qantas chief Alan Joyce says allowing same-sex wedding discrimination is 'perverse' – politics live |
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| Labor is asking women’s minister, Michaelia Cash, whether she will speak to One Nation leader Pauline Hanson about the posts of her candidate, Mark Thornton, whose adult shop business posted jokes on social media about domestic violence. | |
| Cash says she hasn’t spoken to Hanson, but would hope it’s clear to everyone in the chamber that domestic violence is unacceptable. | |
| “In no way is domestic violence ever a joking matter, it is never a matter to be laughed at,” Cash said. | |
| She’s asked whether she will condemn her Queensland LNP colleagues for striking a preference deal with One Nation. | |
| “There is no preference deal between the LNP and One Nation in Queensland, and quite frankly any suggestion of that fact, yet again, is just Labor muddying the water,” she said. | |
| 7 News reporter @BenBMurph questions @OneNationAus candidate Mark Thornton about a sex shop he owns. @PaulineHansonOz #7News pic.twitter.com/8vOGFw2pG6 | |
| Just an update on what we know of the voting intentions of politicians. | |
| George Christensen said he would abstain from voting on the Dean Smith bill, but would vote for the James Paterson bill. | |
| Matt Canavan looks like he’ll abstain from the Smith bill, too. Andrew Hastie is also likely to abstain, despite his electorate voting for marriage equality. | |
| Labor MPs who will vote for same-sex marriage, despite their electorates voting against: | |
| Jason Clare | |
| Linda Burney | |
| Tony Burke | |
| Michelle Rowland | |
| Ed Husic | |
| The electorates of Chris Bowen, Julie Owens and Chris Hayes also voted against same-sex marriage. | |
| You might have missed this amid all the same-sex marriage news, but my colleague Gareth Hutchens had a piece on Paul Keating’s speech to the Ceda annual dinner last night. Keating slammed Australia’s big business lobby groups for being obsessed with tax cuts and lacking the imagination to prevent the economy slipping backwards. He said the plan for company tax rate cuts failed to understand that economic growth must be inclusive. | You might have missed this amid all the same-sex marriage news, but my colleague Gareth Hutchens had a piece on Paul Keating’s speech to the Ceda annual dinner last night. Keating slammed Australia’s big business lobby groups for being obsessed with tax cuts and lacking the imagination to prevent the economy slipping backwards. He said the plan for company tax rate cuts failed to understand that economic growth must be inclusive. |
| “We can see in America today what the loss of these balances means, watching the extremes of income and wealth rip at the fabric of American society,” Keating said. | “We can see in America today what the loss of these balances means, watching the extremes of income and wealth rip at the fabric of American society,” Keating said. |
| You can read the full piece here: | You can read the full piece here: |
| Let’s get into the nuts and bolts of what will happen in parliament now. The Dean Smith bill will be introduced to the Senate this afternoon. There will be some initial debate, and Christopher Pyne says a second reading debate will happen tomorrow. Then the bill will be sent to the House of Representatives, which doesn’t sit until later this month. | Let’s get into the nuts and bolts of what will happen in parliament now. The Dean Smith bill will be introduced to the Senate this afternoon. There will be some initial debate, and Christopher Pyne says a second reading debate will happen tomorrow. Then the bill will be sent to the House of Representatives, which doesn’t sit until later this month. |
| Amendments can be proposed and debated in both houses. | Amendments can be proposed and debated in both houses. |
| Smith’s bill is continuing to split the Coalition down factional lines. | Smith’s bill is continuing to split the Coalition down factional lines. |
| Former Australian prime minister John Howard has had his say on the protection of parental rights, religious freedoms and freedom of speech. He’s added his voice to the conservative warnings against the Smith bill, which has cross-party support. | Former Australian prime minister John Howard has had his say on the protection of parental rights, religious freedoms and freedom of speech. He’s added his voice to the conservative warnings against the Smith bill, which has cross-party support. |
| “These are not small matters. It is a pity that the government, as I asked, had not spelled out before the vote how these matters were going to be covered in any enabling legislation,” Howard said. | “These are not small matters. It is a pity that the government, as I asked, had not spelled out before the vote how these matters were going to be covered in any enabling legislation,” Howard said. |
| “I don’t regard the Dean Smith bill as being sufficient. I think the two things that really matter are freedom of religion and parental rights. Issues about cake makers or florists – I don’t want the debate to get hung up on that.” | “I don’t regard the Dean Smith bill as being sufficient. I think the two things that really matter are freedom of religion and parental rights. Issues about cake makers or florists – I don’t want the debate to get hung up on that.” |
| But Pyne, the leader of the house, said the Smith bill provided sufficient protections for religious freedom. Pyne said the Smith bill was “the starting point”. Amendments could be proposed by whoever so wished, he said. | But Pyne, the leader of the house, said the Smith bill provided sufficient protections for religious freedom. Pyne said the Smith bill was “the starting point”. Amendments could be proposed by whoever so wished, he said. |
| He said the poll result was a vindication of the government’s strategy. | He said the poll result was a vindication of the government’s strategy. |
| “It’s a very clear result. It’s also vindication of the government’s policy to ask the Australian people to have a say. Almost 80% [of] people voted – it’s an outstanding contribution to a voluntary plebiscite,” he said. | “It’s a very clear result. It’s also vindication of the government’s policy to ask the Australian people to have a say. Almost 80% [of] people voted – it’s an outstanding contribution to a voluntary plebiscite,” he said. |
| “There’s now been a yes vote, the people have spoken. It’s now the job of the parliament to faithfully implement marriage equality by the end of the year and that’s exactly what we intend to do.” | “There’s now been a yes vote, the people have spoken. It’s now the job of the parliament to faithfully implement marriage equality by the end of the year and that’s exactly what we intend to do.” |
| Let’s see how long that smile lasts. It’s going to be a tough time for Turnbull from here on. | Let’s see how long that smile lasts. It’s going to be a tough time for Turnbull from here on. |
| Home & Happy, the PM at a presser after the #SSM result and an overnight flight from Manila @knausc @GuardianAus pic.twitter.com/IolcwM6BKi | Home & Happy, the PM at a presser after the #SSM result and an overnight flight from Manila @knausc @GuardianAus pic.twitter.com/IolcwM6BKi |
| The attention is now well and truly on which bill the parliament will use to take the nation forward on same-sex marriage legalisation. The Qantas chief executive, Alan Joyce, a prominent yes campaigner, said most Australians voted yes with the Dean Smith bill in mind. | The attention is now well and truly on which bill the parliament will use to take the nation forward on same-sex marriage legalisation. The Qantas chief executive, Alan Joyce, a prominent yes campaigner, said most Australians voted yes with the Dean Smith bill in mind. |
| He’s rubbished the bill put forward by James Paterson. How could a baker refuse to bake a cake for him and his partner if they turned up at the baker’s together, but not if he turned up by himself, he asks. | He’s rubbished the bill put forward by James Paterson. How could a baker refuse to bake a cake for him and his partner if they turned up at the baker’s together, but not if he turned up by himself, he asks. |
| “There’s something perverse about that that’s just not right,” he just told Sky. | “There’s something perverse about that that’s just not right,” he just told Sky. |
| Joyce said he had voted yes with the Smith bill in mind. | Joyce said he had voted yes with the Smith bill in mind. |
| “I agree with [attorney general] George Brandis on this – that you can’t remove one form of discrimination, which was in the marriage act, and start putting in other forms of discrimination again,” he said. | “I agree with [attorney general] George Brandis on this – that you can’t remove one form of discrimination, which was in the marriage act, and start putting in other forms of discrimination again,” he said. |
| “I do believe that the protections in the Dean Smith bill, which are the protections for the religious organisations that are there, are adequate.” | “I do believe that the protections in the Dean Smith bill, which are the protections for the religious organisations that are there, are adequate.” |
| Some breaking news from South Australia. The Labor government of Jay Weatherill has announced it’s dumping its bank tax. The bank tax was met with significant opposition when it was proposed. The Australian Bankers’ Association had vowed to take the state government to the high court. | Some breaking news from South Australia. The Labor government of Jay Weatherill has announced it’s dumping its bank tax. The bank tax was met with significant opposition when it was proposed. The Australian Bankers’ Association had vowed to take the state government to the high court. |
| “For all intents and purposes, the bank tax is dead,” Weatherill said. | “For all intents and purposes, the bank tax is dead,” Weatherill said. |
| The timing of the announcement is interesting, to say the least. | The timing of the announcement is interesting, to say the least. |
| Well, an interesting turn in Bennelong. Keneally has turned up during campaigning by Liberal John Alexander and foreign minister Julie Bishop. I’m sure she was welcomed with open arms. The same-sex poll was interesting in Bennelong. It had the electorate fairly evenly split for and against same-sex marriage. The no camp just had it, with about 51% of the votes. | Well, an interesting turn in Bennelong. Keneally has turned up during campaigning by Liberal John Alexander and foreign minister Julie Bishop. I’m sure she was welcomed with open arms. The same-sex poll was interesting in Bennelong. It had the electorate fairly evenly split for and against same-sex marriage. The no camp just had it, with about 51% of the votes. |
| Meanwhile, @KKeneally has crashed John Alexander's event with Julie Bishop. Pic by @nampix #auspol #bennelong pic.twitter.com/EAhVx1RqKk | Meanwhile, @KKeneally has crashed John Alexander's event with Julie Bishop. Pic by @nampix #auspol #bennelong pic.twitter.com/EAhVx1RqKk |
| So the Newspoll had it at 63%, ends up being 61.6% which is basically within the margin of error. What a waste of $100m. | So the Newspoll had it at 63%, ends up being 61.6% which is basically within the margin of error. What a waste of $100m. |
| Kevin Andrews has been on Sky, talking about the bakers again. Andrews, a conservative, wants greater protections for people to discriminate against same-sex weddings. | Kevin Andrews has been on Sky, talking about the bakers again. Andrews, a conservative, wants greater protections for people to discriminate against same-sex weddings. |
| Indeed, he wants Islamic bakers to be able to deny cakes to people of the Jewish faith and vice-versa. But only for weddings, so it’s OK. | Indeed, he wants Islamic bakers to be able to deny cakes to people of the Jewish faith and vice-versa. But only for weddings, so it’s OK. |
| “If that individual wants to be able do that, I don’t have a problem,” he said. | “If that individual wants to be able do that, I don’t have a problem,” he said. |
| “But nor do I have a problem the other way around. Don’t have a problem if there was a gay baker who said, ‘I don’t want to bake a cake for a heterosexual wedding, or I don’t want to bake a cake for a Christian, or an Islamic celebration, whatever it might be’.” | “But nor do I have a problem the other way around. Don’t have a problem if there was a gay baker who said, ‘I don’t want to bake a cake for a heterosexual wedding, or I don’t want to bake a cake for a Christian, or an Islamic celebration, whatever it might be’.” |
| Our intrepid photographer, Mike Bowers, was among a gathering of politicians watching the results earlier today in parliament. He’s captured, in stunning form, the elation of Labor’s Penny Wong. | Our intrepid photographer, Mike Bowers, was among a gathering of politicians watching the results earlier today in parliament. He’s captured, in stunning form, the elation of Labor’s Penny Wong. |