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| Tony Abbott signals extending military campaign to Syria – politics live | Tony Abbott signals extending military campaign to Syria – politics live |
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| It's been real | It's been real |
| As wonderful as your company has been, I suspect that’s enough for Monday. The enduring lesson from Ian Macdonald is a good one for all of us – always back away from an open microphone before your latest idea seems too compelling not to share. | As wonderful as your company has been, I suspect that’s enough for Monday. The enduring lesson from Ian Macdonald is a good one for all of us – always back away from an open microphone before your latest idea seems too compelling not to share. |
| Let’s follow our orderly habits and summarise today, Monday. | Let’s follow our orderly habits and summarise today, Monday. |
| There was more, but that’s enough. | There was more, but that’s enough. |
| Thanks for your comments, here and on the Twits. We’ll be back, bright and early, doing it all again tomorrow. See you then. | Thanks for your comments, here and on the Twits. We’ll be back, bright and early, doing it all again tomorrow. See you then. |
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| What is known in the trade as the Full Macdonald | What is known in the trade as the Full Macdonald |
| Daniel Hurst | Daniel Hurst |
| In the red chamber, the Queensland Liberal senator Ian Macdonald has been musing about the plight of Syrians: | In the red chamber, the Queensland Liberal senator Ian Macdonald has been musing about the plight of Syrians: |
| I don’t know, I confess, enough about the call for Syrian refugees. I just wish that the Syrian people could sort out their own problems. I note on Facebook, not always a good authority, but questions about how many other Middle Eastern countries are actually taking refugees into their countries and that’s an interesting question that I must ask of the appropriate authorities … Are the wealthy, very very wealthy countries in the Middle East taking their share? I don’t know the answer but I do intend to find out. | I don’t know, I confess, enough about the call for Syrian refugees. I just wish that the Syrian people could sort out their own problems. I note on Facebook, not always a good authority, but questions about how many other Middle Eastern countries are actually taking refugees into their countries and that’s an interesting question that I must ask of the appropriate authorities … Are the wealthy, very very wealthy countries in the Middle East taking their share? I don’t know the answer but I do intend to find out. |
| Macdonald made his contribution in the context of a Greens motion that he dismissed as being “all care and no responsibility”. He insisted Australia had “nothing to be ashamed of “in terms of its refugee intake.” | Macdonald made his contribution in the context of a Greens motion that he dismissed as being “all care and no responsibility”. He insisted Australia had “nothing to be ashamed of “in terms of its refugee intake.” |
| I just congratulate the government on what it’s done so far. It has increased the number of refugees coming in. I am cautious about announcements by our prime minister that there will be more Syrians coming in, because if more Syrians are being brought in it means more others who’ve been waiting in squalid refugee camps around the world for years and years have to wait yet another year. | I just congratulate the government on what it’s done so far. It has increased the number of refugees coming in. I am cautious about announcements by our prime minister that there will be more Syrians coming in, because if more Syrians are being brought in it means more others who’ve been waiting in squalid refugee camps around the world for years and years have to wait yet another year. |
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| If you missed the Shorten press conference advancing a one-off 10,000 increase in the humanitarian intake, and fancy a brief recap, here’s some video. | If you missed the Shorten press conference advancing a one-off 10,000 increase in the humanitarian intake, and fancy a brief recap, here’s some video. |
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| Melissa Davey | Melissa Davey |
| Just tracking back to the press conference held this afternoon with co-sponsors of the cross-party marriage equality bill and members of Parents and Friends of Lesbians and Gays (PFLAG), a few particulars. Liberal MP Warren Entsch has said Australians would “feel a bloody darned sight better about ourselves” once given the chance to vote on same-sex marriage. Debate around the bill, which Entsch introduced, resumed in the parliamentary chamber on Monday. | Just tracking back to the press conference held this afternoon with co-sponsors of the cross-party marriage equality bill and members of Parents and Friends of Lesbians and Gays (PFLAG), a few particulars. Liberal MP Warren Entsch has said Australians would “feel a bloody darned sight better about ourselves” once given the chance to vote on same-sex marriage. Debate around the bill, which Entsch introduced, resumed in the parliamentary chamber on Monday. |
| “When you have a look at Ireland, when you have a look at New Zealand three years ago, the last time I had a look at New Zealand it is still the land of the long white cloud,” Entsch told reporters. “The one thing that has changed dramatically when you talk to the people of New Zealand and people from Ireland? They feel a darned-sight better about themselves because they made the decision to do what they’ve done, and I can say to you, we would feel a bloody darned sight better about ourselves once we get an opportunity to put this [vote] out there.” | “When you have a look at Ireland, when you have a look at New Zealand three years ago, the last time I had a look at New Zealand it is still the land of the long white cloud,” Entsch told reporters. “The one thing that has changed dramatically when you talk to the people of New Zealand and people from Ireland? They feel a darned-sight better about themselves because they made the decision to do what they’ve done, and I can say to you, we would feel a bloody darned sight better about ourselves once we get an opportunity to put this [vote] out there.” |
| New Zealand’s parliament voted to make same-sex marriage legal in 2013, and in a referendum held in May, Ireland voted in favour of allowing same-sex marriage. | New Zealand’s parliament voted to make same-sex marriage legal in 2013, and in a referendum held in May, Ireland voted in favour of allowing same-sex marriage. |
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| Labor’s immigration spokesman Richard Marles is being interviewed now on Sky News. How did Labor arrive at this number that has been advanced today – a special one-off intake of 10,000 displaced persons from Syria? | Labor’s immigration spokesman Richard Marles is being interviewed now on Sky News. How did Labor arrive at this number that has been advanced today – a special one-off intake of 10,000 displaced persons from Syria? |
| Richard Marles: | Richard Marles: |
| Firstly we think it’s a doable number. | Firstly we think it’s a doable number. |
| We think it is an achievable goal. | We think it is an achievable goal. |
| Q: Do you have a ballpark cost? | Q: Do you have a ballpark cost? |
| It depends how you do it. | It depends how you do it. |
| Q: Are we talking millions, Hundreds of millions? | Q: Are we talking millions, Hundreds of millions? |
| I’m not going to walk down that path. | I’m not going to walk down that path. |
| Marles says it depends whether people get work rights, whether communities are involved. | Marles says it depends whether people get work rights, whether communities are involved. |
| Q: And $100m on top of that for the UNHCR? | Q: And $100m on top of that for the UNHCR? |
| We think $100m is an appropriate figure to put out there. | We think $100m is an appropriate figure to put out there. |
| Marles also says most people displaced from Syria will want to go home. (I can’t really imagine that myself, given the instability in the region, but perhaps I’m wrong.) | Marles also says most people displaced from Syria will want to go home. (I can’t really imagine that myself, given the instability in the region, but perhaps I’m wrong.) |
| Q: This has been going on for years, why take a position now? | Q: This has been going on for years, why take a position now? |
| Marles says Labor has taken a position before. He says Labor put a policy through the national conference that included a boost in the humanitarian intake. | Marles says Labor has taken a position before. He says Labor put a policy through the national conference that included a boost in the humanitarian intake. |
| It’s not like we just discovered this today. | It’s not like we just discovered this today. |
| Q: What about the Rohingya. Why not a response on that? | Q: What about the Rohingya. Why not a response on that? |
| Marles says that particular displacement is complex. | Marles says that particular displacement is complex. |
| These are difficult questions to grapple with. They each have their own story. | These are difficult questions to grapple with. They each have their own story. |
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| I did miss this earlier because time got compressed in that rapid fifteen minutes before question time. Given the prime minister has all but said Australia will extend military action to Syria, I need to record what Bill Shorten has said on the subject. | I did miss this earlier because time got compressed in that rapid fifteen minutes before question time. Given the prime minister has all but said Australia will extend military action to Syria, I need to record what Bill Shorten has said on the subject. |
| Shorten was asked whether he’d support air strikes in Syria. This was his response. | Shorten was asked whether he’d support air strikes in Syria. This was his response. |
| Labor’s considering its position on that. We recognise the argument which has been put which is Australian aeroplanes bombing Daesh who cross into the border from Syria into Iraq and then pursuing them back into Syria is allowed under international law in terms of the principle of collective self-defence. Labor hasn’t finalised its position on that today. | Labor’s considering its position on that. We recognise the argument which has been put which is Australian aeroplanes bombing Daesh who cross into the border from Syria into Iraq and then pursuing them back into Syria is allowed under international law in terms of the principle of collective self-defence. Labor hasn’t finalised its position on that today. |
| (To decode, Shorten is accepting the rationale that Abbott invoked in the House in question time – the principle of collective self defence. Labor is clearly positioning to support the extension, although there’s a little way to go before we can call that definitively.) | (To decode, Shorten is accepting the rationale that Abbott invoked in the House in question time – the principle of collective self defence. Labor is clearly positioning to support the extension, although there’s a little way to go before we can call that definitively.) |
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| Parents have hit parliament today to meet with MPs in order to press the case for marriage equality. | Parents have hit parliament today to meet with MPs in order to press the case for marriage equality. |
| I was honoured to meet @PFLAGAustralia representatives today & hear their stories in favour of #MarriageEquality pic.twitter.com/KKVayKxXFO | I was honoured to meet @PFLAGAustralia representatives today & hear their stories in favour of #MarriageEquality pic.twitter.com/KKVayKxXFO |
| Members of the cross party group in favour of changing the marriage act held a press conference just a little while ago – and several of the visiting families joined them. | Members of the cross party group in favour of changing the marriage act held a press conference just a little while ago – and several of the visiting families joined them. |
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| Assume the Tele will play fair and photoshop up @JulieBishopMP for talking aid for Syria #auspol pic.twitter.com/xim9cWd4ZC | Assume the Tele will play fair and photoshop up @JulieBishopMP for talking aid for Syria #auspol pic.twitter.com/xim9cWd4ZC |
| Today’s developments do provide the Daily Telegraph with something of a conundrum. | Today’s developments do provide the Daily Telegraph with something of a conundrum. |
| I mentioned in question time the government has manifestly changed its collective tone on Syria and aid after its sortie a few weeks back when Labor’s deputy leader Tanya Plibersek was accused by the government of wanting a terrorist picnic in Syria when she raised the prospect of humanitarian relief. The Tele may also have to reverse the ferret, as my Fairfax colleague, Heath Aston, notes this afternoon. | I mentioned in question time the government has manifestly changed its collective tone on Syria and aid after its sortie a few weeks back when Labor’s deputy leader Tanya Plibersek was accused by the government of wanting a terrorist picnic in Syria when she raised the prospect of humanitarian relief. The Tele may also have to reverse the ferret, as my Fairfax colleague, Heath Aston, notes this afternoon. |
| This gem (which ran with the mock up tweeted by Aston) ran on August 15. | This gem (which ran with the mock up tweeted by Aston) ran on August 15. |
| Tanya Plibersek wants to send aid to Syria rather than bomb terrorists. The deputy Labor leader yesterday split with her boss Bill Shorten and criticised the Abbott government over discussions with the US about expanding aerial bombing raids from Iraq to Syria. Ms Plibersek, who has twice described Africa as a country instead of a continent, said Australia had a humanitarian responsibility to Syria, in contrast to Mr Shorten’s position that stopping Islamic State is a priority. | Tanya Plibersek wants to send aid to Syria rather than bomb terrorists. The deputy Labor leader yesterday split with her boss Bill Shorten and criticised the Abbott government over discussions with the US about expanding aerial bombing raids from Iraq to Syria. Ms Plibersek, who has twice described Africa as a country instead of a continent, said Australia had a humanitarian responsibility to Syria, in contrast to Mr Shorten’s position that stopping Islamic State is a priority. |
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| Cats paw aficionado. | Cats paw aficionado. |
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| 06:12 | 06:12 |
| From cats paws to dingy’s. | From cats paws to dingy’s. |
| Assistant treasurer, Josh Frydenberg, on Bill Shorten. | Assistant treasurer, Josh Frydenberg, on Bill Shorten. |
| Because his reckless obstruction of the China/Australia free trade agreement is like seeing him sitting on his dingy against an armada of support which includes former Labor prime ministers, Labor state premiers and the former president of the ACTU. | Because his reckless obstruction of the China/Australia free trade agreement is like seeing him sitting on his dingy against an armada of support which includes former Labor prime ministers, Labor state premiers and the former president of the ACTU. |
| The Jay Weatherill armada. Could be bigger than Mission Impossible. | The Jay Weatherill armada. Could be bigger than Mission Impossible. |
| Further questions have been placed on the notice paper. | Further questions have been placed on the notice paper. |
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| Christopher Pyne on cats paws. | Christopher Pyne on cats paws. |
| Labor is the cats paw of the CFMEU. For short-term political gain, for short-term political gain, they are hopping into bed with the CFMEU to oppose the China/Australia free trade agreement and with that opposition are denying jobs and growth to the higher education market in Australia and they should be ashamed of themselves. | Labor is the cats paw of the CFMEU. For short-term political gain, for short-term political gain, they are hopping into bed with the CFMEU to oppose the China/Australia free trade agreement and with that opposition are denying jobs and growth to the higher education market in Australia and they should be ashamed of themselves. |
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| A side note to the God of Canning by-elections, from the prime minister, who would like the chamber to understand his deep affection for the Liberal candidate, Andrew Hastie. | A side note to the God of Canning by-elections, from the prime minister, who would like the chamber to understand his deep affection for the Liberal candidate, Andrew Hastie. |
| Tony Abbott: | Tony Abbott: |
| This (Hastie) is someone who knows what it is like to fight for our country. This is someone with the character to stand up for the Australian people and, having served our country in the army, he is just waiting for his opportunity to serve our country and the people of Canning in this parliament. | This (Hastie) is someone who knows what it is like to fight for our country. This is someone with the character to stand up for the Australian people and, having served our country in the army, he is just waiting for his opportunity to serve our country and the people of Canning in this parliament. |
| I pray to God that that will be given to him. | I pray to God that that will be given to him. |
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| A Dorothy Dixer on the China FTA, which gives the trade minister Andrew Robb the opportunity to sink the boot back into Labor. | A Dorothy Dixer on the China FTA, which gives the trade minister Andrew Robb the opportunity to sink the boot back into Labor. |
| Robb, to Shorten. | Robb, to Shorten. |
| You are embarking on a massive con of the Australian people, aiding and abetting the CFMEU in their political campaign to destabilise this government. | You are embarking on a massive con of the Australian people, aiding and abetting the CFMEU in their political campaign to destabilise this government. |
| Please, it is too expensive to the Australian community. Get out of the road and let this agreement go through. | Please, it is too expensive to the Australian community. Get out of the road and let this agreement go through. |
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| Labor’s Anthony Albanese asks about the reports last week that a government bureaucrat advised a cruise operator to sack its Australian staff and hire foreign crew on cheaper wages to remain competitive under the Coalition’s proposed new shipping laws. If you missed this story, you can find it here. | Labor’s Anthony Albanese asks about the reports last week that a government bureaucrat advised a cruise operator to sack its Australian staff and hire foreign crew on cheaper wages to remain competitive under the Coalition’s proposed new shipping laws. If you missed this story, you can find it here. |
| Infrastructure minister Warren Truss says this isn’t true. | Infrastructure minister Warren Truss says this isn’t true. |
| It is also important to note that if the advice was given, it would in fact be inaccurate because it is not possible under the proposed legislation to go before the parliament for an Australian cruise ship to have foreign crew and operate on the Australian coast for 12 months of the year. That is simply not possible. That is not accurate. | It is also important to note that if the advice was given, it would in fact be inaccurate because it is not possible under the proposed legislation to go before the parliament for an Australian cruise ship to have foreign crew and operate on the Australian coast for 12 months of the year. That is simply not possible. That is not accurate. |
| Since the purported advice is not even in keeping with the content of the Act, that tends to support the suggestion by the secretary of my department that the evidence or the reporting of the alleged conversation is not accurate. | Since the purported advice is not even in keeping with the content of the Act, that tends to support the suggestion by the secretary of my department that the evidence or the reporting of the alleged conversation is not accurate. |
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| Should we choose to extend our airstrikes into Syria, we will be doing this in the collective self-defence of Iraq: Abbott | Should we choose to extend our airstrikes into Syria, we will be doing this in the collective self-defence of Iraq: Abbott |
| Greens deputy leader Adam Bandt asks how bombing Syria helps anything. | Greens deputy leader Adam Bandt asks how bombing Syria helps anything. |
| Tony Abbott: | Tony Abbott: |
| Should we choose to extend our airstrikes into Syria, we will be doing this in the collective self-defence of Iraq. We would be doing this out of a responsibility to protect innocent people at risk of horrible death from the most violent people imaginable. | Should we choose to extend our airstrikes into Syria, we will be doing this in the collective self-defence of Iraq. We would be doing this out of a responsibility to protect innocent people at risk of horrible death from the most violent people imaginable. |
| We would be doing this in defence of our own country. We would be doing this in defence of our own country because this government, all governments, this parliament, all parliaments, have a responsibility to keep our country safe. | We would be doing this in defence of our own country. We would be doing this in defence of our own country because this government, all governments, this parliament, all parliaments, have a responsibility to keep our country safe. |
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| Labor would like further and better particulars about The Plan. The prime minister has said today, in response to questions about the persistent negative poll trend, that the government has a plan, and it intends to stick to it. How’s the plan working for the 800,000 Australians who aren’t working, Bill Shorten wants to know? | Labor would like further and better particulars about The Plan. The prime minister has said today, in response to questions about the persistent negative poll trend, that the government has a plan, and it intends to stick to it. How’s the plan working for the 800,000 Australians who aren’t working, Bill Shorten wants to know? |
| The prime minister says the government has a plan to be open for business. At the heart of our plan is lower taxes, more infrastructure and freer trade. That is our plan. | The prime minister says the government has a plan to be open for business. At the heart of our plan is lower taxes, more infrastructure and freer trade. That is our plan. |
| Labor, by contrast, has a plan to stymie the China free trade agreement, he says. | Labor, by contrast, has a plan to stymie the China free trade agreement, he says. |
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| Forget boat phone. Bishop has plane phone. | Forget boat phone. Bishop has plane phone. |
| Tanya Plibersek asks the foreign minister Julie Bishop whether the government will invest $100m in the region to address the humanitarian crisis. | Tanya Plibersek asks the foreign minister Julie Bishop whether the government will invest $100m in the region to address the humanitarian crisis. |
| Bishop takes the opportunity to tell anyone listening she’s already been on the phone to Peter Dutton en route to Geneva. | Bishop takes the opportunity to tell anyone listening she’s already been on the phone to Peter Dutton en route to Geneva. |
| I have been in contact with him en route to Geneva and I have asked him to ascertain these concerns that we have about ensuring that the humanitarian assistance is reaching the necessary civilians and organisations. | I have been in contact with him en route to Geneva and I have asked him to ascertain these concerns that we have about ensuring that the humanitarian assistance is reaching the necessary civilians and organisations. |
| Busy, busy, busy. | Busy, busy, busy. |
| Bishop, still busy. This morning it was Josh, who? This afternoon, it’s PDuddy, who? | Bishop, still busy. This morning it was Josh, who? This afternoon, it’s PDuddy, who? |
| We are still considering what more needs to be done and I will be in touch with the immigration minister to confirm the further amounts that we will be making to the humanitarian crisis. | We are still considering what more needs to be done and I will be in touch with the immigration minister to confirm the further amounts that we will be making to the humanitarian crisis. |