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| Republican presidential debate: Trump and Bush clash but Fiorina stands out – as it happened | Republican presidential debate: Trump and Bush clash but Fiorina stands out – as it happened |
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| Good night | Good night |
| With that we are going to wrap up our live blog coverage for the evening. Thank you for joining us for the event and pitching in in the comments. | With that we are going to wrap up our live blog coverage for the evening. Thank you for joining us for the event and pitching in in the comments. |
| For a summary of the night’s action, read our snap debate reaction here, our full news wrap here and the Trump-Fiorina showdown here. | For a summary of the night’s action, read our snap debate reaction here, our full news wrap here and the Trump-Fiorina showdown here. |
| Plus! Jeb Bush on smoking pot, Marco Rubio on water bottles, Republicans on America the not-quite-planet .... and Margaret Thatcher on the $10 bill. | Plus! Jeb Bush on smoking pot, Marco Rubio on water bottles, Republicans on America the not-quite-planet .... and Margaret Thatcher on the $10 bill. |
| Updated | Updated |
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| Rory Carroll in the spin room hears this about Ted Cruz: | Rory Carroll in the spin room hears this about Ted Cruz: |
| Cruz soared over the other candidates’ grubby mud-wrestling, according to Bob Smith, a former New Hampshire senator and spinner for the Texas senator. | Cruz soared over the other candidates’ grubby mud-wrestling, according to Bob Smith, a former New Hampshire senator and spinner for the Texas senator. |
| “He didn’t attack, he didn’t demean. He was very on point with the issues without in any way getting involved in the negativism and the nitpicking and the back and forth. And a lot of that went on tonight. I was proud of him for staying out of that.” | “He didn’t attack, he didn’t demean. He was very on point with the issues without in any way getting involved in the negativism and the nitpicking and the back and forth. And a lot of that went on tonight. I was proud of him for staying out of that.” |
| Smith said Carly Fiorina performed strongly. “She clearly did a good job, no doubt about that. She did well.” | Smith said Carly Fiorina performed strongly. “She clearly did a good job, no doubt about that. She did well.” |
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| The Fiorina campaign has not sent anyone into the spin room -- feels like a mic drop | The Fiorina campaign has not sent anyone into the spin room -- feels like a mic drop |
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| More from Rory Carroll in the spin room, where Ed Brookover, a spokesman for Ben Carson, said the campaign “surged on Wednesday even before the debate, gaining 300,000 new Facebook followers and raising $1 million.” | More from Rory Carroll in the spin room, where Ed Brookover, a spokesman for Ben Carson, said the campaign “surged on Wednesday even before the debate, gaining 300,000 new Facebook followers and raising $1 million.” |
| “Tonight Dr Carson once again showed he could be leader of the American people,” Brookover said. | “Tonight Dr Carson once again showed he could be leader of the American people,” Brookover said. |
| He said the retired neurosurgeon had stayed true to his desire to run a positive campaign. “His style is not to attack anybody.” | He said the retired neurosurgeon had stayed true to his desire to run a positive campaign. “His style is not to attack anybody.” |
| Carson’s awkward handshake in response to Trump’s attempt to high-five him reflected his surgeon’s training, said Brookover. “His first instinct is to protect his hands.” | Carson’s awkward handshake in response to Trump’s attempt to high-five him reflected his surgeon’s training, said Brookover. “His first instinct is to protect his hands.” |
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| Rory Carroll is holding out in the spin room, where Robert O’Brien, a spinner for Scott Walker, “claimed the Wisconsin governor’s ideas dominated the debate even if he himself had relatively little time to speak,” Rory writes: | Rory Carroll is holding out in the spin room, where Robert O’Brien, a spinner for Scott Walker, “claimed the Wisconsin governor’s ideas dominated the debate even if he himself had relatively little time to speak,” Rory writes: |
| Other candidates “jumped on Scott’s bandwagon” by making bold promises about their first day in the White House and how they would treat China and other foreign powers, said O’Brien. | Other candidates “jumped on Scott’s bandwagon” by making bold promises about their first day in the White House and how they would treat China and other foreign powers, said O’Brien. |
| He admitted Walker did not land a knock-out blow but said that did not matter this early in the campaign. “I don’t think in early September a breakthrough moment is necessary. He had a flawless performance.” | He admitted Walker did not land a knock-out blow but said that did not matter this early in the campaign. “I don’t think in early September a breakthrough moment is necessary. He had a flawless performance.” |
| O’Brien put a positive interpretation on Walker being ignored for much of the debate. “Everyone else took a hit. Scott Walker did not take a hit. No one laid a glove on him.” | O’Brien put a positive interpretation on Walker being ignored for much of the debate. “Everyone else took a hit. Scott Walker did not take a hit. No one laid a glove on him.” |
| He said the candidate’s perspiration was the consequence of three hours under TV lights. | He said the candidate’s perspiration was the consequence of three hours under TV lights. |
| Walker’s spinner dished some anti-Fiorina flavor too: | Walker’s spinner dished some anti-Fiorina flavor too: |
| O’Brien said Carly Fiorina “had some good answers” and that her appearance was “great for the party” but noted the criticism of her record at Hewlett-Packard. “She took some hits.” | O’Brien said Carly Fiorina “had some good answers” and that her appearance was “great for the party” but noted the criticism of her record at Hewlett-Packard. “She took some hits.” |
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| The Twitter primary: | The Twitter primary: |
| Most-Tweeted moments of #CNNDebate so far: 1. @CarlyFiorina responds to @realDonaldTrump on her looks 2. @CarlyFiorina on Planned Parenthood | Most-Tweeted moments of #CNNDebate so far: 1. @CarlyFiorina responds to @realDonaldTrump on her looks 2. @CarlyFiorina on Planned Parenthood |
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| Here’s an interesting breakdown of who got how much time, as of the fourth break: | Here’s an interesting breakdown of who got how much time, as of the fourth break: |
| Brk 4 Trmp 17:54 Bsh 14:19 Fiorina 11:48 Carson 11:22 Chrstie 11:03 Rubio 10:11 Paul 9:25 Cruz 9:15 Kasich: 8:06 Huckabee: 8:05 Walker: 7:10 | Brk 4 Trmp 17:54 Bsh 14:19 Fiorina 11:48 Carson 11:22 Chrstie 11:03 Rubio 10:11 Paul 9:25 Cruz 9:15 Kasich: 8:06 Huckabee: 8:05 Walker: 7:10 |
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| Rory Carroll is mingling in the spin room. “Jeb Bush’s spinners said their man trumped Trump and won the night,” he writes: | Rory Carroll is mingling in the spin room. “Jeb Bush’s spinners said their man trumped Trump and won the night,” he writes: |
| “He managed to shut Donald Trump down on the issue of keeping America safe,” said Michael Steel. “He shut him down for about 40 minutes.” | “He managed to shut Donald Trump down on the issue of keeping America safe,” said Michael Steel. “He shut him down for about 40 minutes.” |
| Trent Wisecap, another spokesman, said Bush was the first candidate who managed to silence the billionaire. “It put him back on his heels.” | Trent Wisecap, another spokesman, said Bush was the first candidate who managed to silence the billionaire. “It put him back on his heels.” |
| They talked up Bush’s apology to his mother for admitting smoking pot and his defence of his brother George’s post 9/11 record as the debate’s highlights. | They talked up Bush’s apology to his mother for admitting smoking pot and his defence of his brother George’s post 9/11 record as the debate’s highlights. |
| “Jeb had the moment of humour and the moment of strength,” said Wisecap. | “Jeb had the moment of humour and the moment of strength,” said Wisecap. |
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| We found a vote for Bush: | We found a vote for Bush: |
| .@brithume: "I think @JebBush had a pretty good night." #OReillyFactor pic.twitter.com/YYKECowfI8 | .@brithume: "I think @JebBush had a pretty good night." #OReillyFactor pic.twitter.com/YYKECowfI8 |
| From where we were sitting, Chris Christie participated in a new way, with strong points about fighting terrorism at home and an emotional recollection of September 11, and a well-timed dig at Fiorina and Trump for arguing about who had the worse career. Christie tried to guide the conversation to challenges facing the middle class. | From where we were sitting, Chris Christie participated in a new way, with strong points about fighting terrorism at home and an emotional recollection of September 11, and a well-timed dig at Fiorina and Trump for arguing about who had the worse career. Christie tried to guide the conversation to challenges facing the middle class. |
| Fiorina was noticeably strong, making emotionally powerful appeals in opposition to abortion and in favor of more support for mental illness and addiction cases. She also described a muscular foreign policy that would include breaking off communication with Vladimir Putin. | Fiorina was noticeably strong, making emotionally powerful appeals in opposition to abortion and in favor of more support for mental illness and addiction cases. She also described a muscular foreign policy that would include breaking off communication with Vladimir Putin. |
| If Marco Rubio got one word out of place we didn’t hear it. Challenged on his past support for a path to citizenship for some undocumented migrants, he said immigration was a personal issue and described multiple layers of the challenge. He spoke with special depth on foreign policy. | If Marco Rubio got one word out of place we didn’t hear it. Challenged on his past support for a path to citizenship for some undocumented migrants, he said immigration was a personal issue and described multiple layers of the challenge. He spoke with special depth on foreign policy. |
| Rand Paul was stronger than his dismal poll numbers might have suggested, especially on state’s rights and the need to avoid a new military expedition in Iraq. | Rand Paul was stronger than his dismal poll numbers might have suggested, especially on state’s rights and the need to avoid a new military expedition in Iraq. |
| Jeb Bush did not bad, tangling with Trump, defending his brother and, at the very end, coming up with a pretty good nickname for himself, Eveready. “It’s very high energy, Donald.” (But why didn’t he say Energizer?) | Jeb Bush did not bad, tangling with Trump, defending his brother and, at the very end, coming up with a pretty good nickname for himself, Eveready. “It’s very high energy, Donald.” (But why didn’t he say Energizer?) |
| Kasich and Carson do not seem to have left particularly strong impressions. Cruz and Huckabee were fine. Walker got more talking in than the last one but it’s unclear whether he managed to move away from the wallpaper. | Kasich and Carson do not seem to have left particularly strong impressions. Cruz and Huckabee were fine. Walker got more talking in than the last one but it’s unclear whether he managed to move away from the wallpaper. |
| Trump waved his arms around, got some good comebacks in but seemed to tire at the end, or grow bored, or something. Somewhere around minute 150 the thrill of the night seemed to fade in his eyes. | Trump waved his arms around, got some good comebacks in but seemed to tire at the end, or grow bored, or something. Somewhere around minute 150 the thrill of the night seemed to fade in his eyes. |
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| Republican strategist Liz Mair: | Republican strategist Liz Mair: |
| OK, I will say that Carly edged Rubio-- not equal. But the main reason I say that is she didn't make the dumb water joke upfront. | OK, I will say that Carly edged Rubio-- not equal. But the main reason I say that is she didn't make the dumb water joke upfront. |
| Conservative outlet Washington Free Beacon editor: | Conservative outlet Washington Free Beacon editor: |
| Fiorina was the standout http://t.co/KONNnLC376 But Jeb, Rubio, Cruz, Christie all had good nights | Fiorina was the standout http://t.co/KONNnLC376 But Jeb, Rubio, Cruz, Christie all had good nights |
| Conservative outlet HotAir editor: | Conservative outlet HotAir editor: |
| If I had to pick one winner, it would be Fiorina. Sharp, prepared, detailed, responsive, and assertive when needed. | If I had to pick one winner, it would be Fiorina. Sharp, prepared, detailed, responsive, and assertive when needed. |
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| OK: who won? At least one colorful chart charts positive reaction to Fiorina’s performance: | OK: who won? At least one colorful chart charts positive reaction to Fiorina’s performance: |
| #CNNDebate: @CarlyFiorina takes the win with 71.8% positive sentiment - pic.twitter.com/OC5P9XSZTe | #CNNDebate: @CarlyFiorina takes the win with 71.8% positive sentiment - pic.twitter.com/OC5P9XSZTe |
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| Carson says he was a “radical Democrat” before he started listening to Reagan. He envisions a more unified country. America would lead in the Middle East. “Real leadership is what I would hopefully bring.” | Carson says he was a “radical Democrat” before he started listening to Reagan. He envisions a more unified country. America would lead in the Middle East. “Real leadership is what I would hopefully bring.” |
| Trump: “We will make this country greater than ever before.” More jobs. “More of everything.” “The world will respect us like never before and it will actually be a friendlier world.” | Trump: “We will make this country greater than ever before.” More jobs. “More of everything.” “The world will respect us like never before and it will actually be a friendlier world.” |
| Bush: Poverty is growing, middle incomes are shrinking, business are failing. He see 4% growth, tax reform, repaired regulatory and energy systems, entitlements, debt, dreams, consensus, “and then we’ll be able to lead the world.” | Bush: Poverty is growing, middle incomes are shrinking, business are failing. He see 4% growth, tax reform, repaired regulatory and energy systems, entitlements, debt, dreams, consensus, “and then we’ll be able to lead the world.” |
| Walker says Reagan told people how America was going to be better. No more radical Islamic terror, a better economy, and a smaller federal government. And no more stinking unions. | Walker says Reagan told people how America was going to be better. No more radical Islamic terror, a better economy, and a smaller federal government. And no more stinking unions. |
| Fiorina deploys to a metaphor from her latest book, Lady Liberty and Lady Justice. She says Lady Justice holds a sword because she’s a fighter. The blindfold says in this country it doesn’t matter who you are, every American’s life must be filled with possibility. | Fiorina deploys to a metaphor from her latest book, Lady Liberty and Lady Justice. She says Lady Justice holds a sword because she’s a fighter. The blindfold says in this country it doesn’t matter who you are, every American’s life must be filled with possibility. |
| Kasich says the nation will solve problems. He envisions rebuilt relationships and alliances. “America’s great because we’ve run America from the bottom up.” He calls for revived citizenship. | Kasich says the nation will solve problems. He envisions rebuilt relationships and alliances. “America’s great because we’ve run America from the bottom up.” He calls for revived citizenship. |
| Christie, going last. He says his first vote was for Reagan in 1980. He says a Christie presidency will “not be about me, it will be about you.” He speaks to the camera and says “our presidency will be about ending” unfairness and enforcing justice. Plus he won’t shake hands with Iran. | Christie, going last. He says his first vote was for Reagan in 1980. He says a Christie presidency will “not be about me, it will be about you.” He speaks to the camera and says “our presidency will be about ending” unfairness and enforcing justice. Plus he won’t shake hands with Iran. |
| That’s it. Applause. Waves of applause. They did it! | That’s it. Applause. Waves of applause. They did it! |
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| Jeb Lund | Jeb Lund |
| From Guardian US columnist Jeb Lund: | From Guardian US columnist Jeb Lund: |
| I think if nothing else, this three-hour debate format should never happen again. You can tell that these people are loopy. Everyone is loopy. | I think if nothing else, this three-hour debate format should never happen again. You can tell that these people are loopy. Everyone is loopy. |
| I sincerely marvel that Jake Tapper isn’t just sitting with his laptop and playing YouTubes. “Seriously, you have to listen to Therapy? – ‘Screamager’ is such an underrated song.” | I sincerely marvel that Jake Tapper isn’t just sitting with his laptop and playing YouTubes. “Seriously, you have to listen to Therapy? – ‘Screamager’ is such an underrated song.” |
| Nobody’s brain is functioning properly. That might be kinda/sorta a test of these guys in a high-stress environment as presidents, but those will be real circumstances. This is just an exhausting simulation, with more pandering. | Nobody’s brain is functioning properly. That might be kinda/sorta a test of these guys in a high-stress environment as presidents, but those will be real circumstances. This is just an exhausting simulation, with more pandering. |
| No more. Spare us. I don’t remember what my family looks like; all I know is that I have values for them. | No more. Spare us. I don’t remember what my family looks like; all I know is that I have values for them. |
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| Finalish question, it seems: You’re in front of Reagan’s plane. How would the country be different after your presidential plane is parked? | Finalish question, it seems: You’re in front of Reagan’s plane. How would the country be different after your presidential plane is parked? |
| Paul talks about peace through strength and well-chosen war. | Paul talks about peace through strength and well-chosen war. |
| Huckabee says the world would be safer and the military would be stronger. Also no more IRS or abortion. | Huckabee says the world would be safer and the military would be stronger. Also no more IRS or abortion. |
| Rubio says Reagan understood the USA was unique. He says his plane would visit allies but China and Moscow too. And one day land in a free Cuba. | Rubio says Reagan understood the USA was unique. He says his plane would visit allies but China and Moscow too. And one day land in a free Cuba. |
| Cruz says “Reagan believed in America.” The bust of Churchill would be back in the Oval Office. Isis will be defeated. Students will find jobs. No more IRS, or Obamacare. | Cruz says “Reagan believed in America.” The bust of Churchill would be back in the Oval Office. Isis will be defeated. Students will find jobs. No more IRS, or Obamacare. |
| (These answers seem to be getting longer as they go.) | (These answers seem to be getting longer as they go.) |
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| Fun question number two: What should your Secret Service code name be? | Fun question number two: What should your Secret Service code name be? |
| Christie: Trueheart | Christie: Trueheart |
| Kasich: Unit 1. or Unit 2 | Kasich: Unit 1. or Unit 2 |
| Fiorina: Secretariat | Fiorina: Secretariat |
| Walker: [inaudible] | Walker: [inaudible] |
| Bush: Eveready. “It’s very high energy, Donald” | Bush: Eveready. “It’s very high energy, Donald” |
| Trump: Humble | Trump: Humble |
| Carson: One Nation | Carson: One Nation |
| Cruz: Cohiba | Cruz: Cohiba |
| Rubio: Gator | Rubio: Gator |
| Huckabee: Duckhunter | Huckabee: Duckhunter |
| Paul: Justice Never Sleeps | Paul: Justice Never Sleeps |
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| Hammer question: What woman would you like to see on the $10? | Hammer question: What woman would you like to see on the $10? |
| Paul: Susan B Anthony | Paul: Susan B Anthony |
| Huckabee: My Wife | Huckabee: My Wife |
| Rubio: Rosa Parks | Rubio: Rosa Parks |
| Cruz: I’d change the $20, not the $10. Rosa Parks | Cruz: I’d change the $20, not the $10. Rosa Parks |
| Carson: My Mother | Carson: My Mother |
| Trump: My daughter Ivanka. Or Rosa Parks | Trump: My daughter Ivanka. Or Rosa Parks |
| Bush: Margaret Thatcher (?!?) | Bush: Margaret Thatcher (?!?) |
| Jeb Bush said he'd put UK Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher on the $10. Were there no U.S. women available? #GOPDebate pic.twitter.com/ZAguSwINJf | Jeb Bush said he'd put UK Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher on the $10. Were there no U.S. women available? #GOPDebate pic.twitter.com/ZAguSwINJf |
| Walker: Clara Barton | Walker: Clara Barton |
| Fiorina: Don’t mess with the bills, just give everyone the opportunity “to live the life she chooses” | Fiorina: Don’t mess with the bills, just give everyone the opportunity “to live the life she chooses” |
| Kasich: Mother Theresa | Kasich: Mother Theresa |
| Christie: Abigail Adams | Christie: Abigail Adams |
| Updated | Updated |
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| Another break. Tapper promises talk of Ronald Reagan to come. The crowd is still clapping. A little wilted, some of them, but showing gusto. | Another break. Tapper promises talk of Ronald Reagan to come. The crowd is still clapping. A little wilted, some of them, but showing gusto. |
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| Trump now comes out as something of an anti-vaxxer. He says there is an epidemic of autism and then correlates it with vaccinations. He says that vaccines should be delivered “over a longer period of time, same amount but just in little sections.” | Trump now comes out as something of an anti-vaxxer. He says there is an epidemic of autism and then correlates it with vaccinations. He says that vaccines should be delivered “over a longer period of time, same amount but just in little sections.” |
| “Dr Carson, you just heard his medical take,” Tapper says. | “Dr Carson, you just heard his medical take,” Tapper says. |
| “He’s an OK doctor,” Carson jokes. “But the fact of the matter is, we have extremely well documented evidence that there’s no autism associated with vaccinations.” | “He’s an OK doctor,” Carson jokes. “But the fact of the matter is, we have extremely well documented evidence that there’s no autism associated with vaccinations.” |
| “Dr Paul I’d like to bring you in,” says Tapper. | “Dr Paul I’d like to bring you in,” says Tapper. |
| “A second opinion?” quips Paul. Then he says there should be a way to space vaccines out. But all his kids are vaccinated. | “A second opinion?” quips Paul. Then he says there should be a way to space vaccines out. But all his kids are vaccinated. |
| Paul has previously flirted with anti-vaccination views, describing the importance of personal choice. | Paul has previously flirted with anti-vaccination views, describing the importance of personal choice. |