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Democratic debate: Clinton remains in command as Sanders stumbles on guns – as it happened Democratic debate: Clinton remains in command as Sanders stumbles on guns – as it happened
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Was did Biden think of it?Was did Biden think of it?
If a debate kept @vp out, he was never going to run. One debate, good or bad, for established candidates is nothing. https://t.co/dc39vj5p8HIf a debate kept @vp out, he was never going to run. One debate, good or bad, for established candidates is nothing. https://t.co/dc39vj5p8H
#DemDebate pic.twitter.com/f4iTWX6obI#DemDebate pic.twitter.com/f4iTWX6obI
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The NRA was active on Twitter tonight.The NRA was active on Twitter tonight.
“I proudly hold an F rating.” - @MartinOMalley. And we were happy to give it to you. You earned it. #demdebate“I proudly hold an F rating.” - @MartinOMalley. And we were happy to give it to you. You earned it. #demdebate
Only in a #demdebate for president does fighting for the #Constitution make you an "enemy" #2AOnly in a #demdebate for president does fighting for the #Constitution make you an "enemy" #2A
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Some reaction from Las Vegas --Some reaction from Las Vegas --
Good piece by @RalstonReports on the debate tonight http://t.co/vLnSalkW3XGood piece by @RalstonReports on the debate tonight http://t.co/vLnSalkW3X
So that was fun to watch Hillary Clinton do debate prep at The Wynn on Tuesday evening with those four other people.So that was fun to watch Hillary Clinton do debate prep at The Wynn on Tuesday evening with those four other people.
But, seriously …But, seriously …
I have watched a lot of debates, and rarely has one person stood out so dominantly as the former secretary of state did against Bernie Sanders (he won’t lose his base but did nothing to expand it), Martin O’Malley (solid close but did little else to break out of obscurity), Jim Webb (he complained about not speaking enough) and Lincoln Chafee (was he lost?).I have watched a lot of debates, and rarely has one person stood out so dominantly as the former secretary of state did against Bernie Sanders (he won’t lose his base but did nothing to expand it), Martin O’Malley (solid close but did little else to break out of obscurity), Jim Webb (he complained about not speaking enough) and Lincoln Chafee (was he lost?).
Read the full piece here.Read the full piece here.
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Clinton’s opening statement in the debates is already a Clinton campaign video:Clinton’s opening statement in the debates is already a Clinton campaign video:
“Finally, fathers will be able to say to their daughters: you too can grow up to be president.” #DemDebate https://t.co/pan4VXnmgT“Finally, fathers will be able to say to their daughters: you too can grow up to be president.” #DemDebate https://t.co/pan4VXnmgT
She convinced at least one voterShe convinced at least one voter
I'm proud of @HillaryClinton. Tonight, she showed why she should be President.I'm proud of @HillaryClinton. Tonight, she showed why she should be President.
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And now a cool Twitter comparison of mentions of Clinton and Sanders:And now a cool Twitter comparison of mentions of Clinton and Sanders:
The Twitter team passes on the “Top debate moments on Twitter”:The Twitter team passes on the “Top debate moments on Twitter”:
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A fascinating graphic by Google Trends on minute-by-minute search interest in the candidates.A fascinating graphic by Google Trends on minute-by-minute search interest in the candidates.
Sanders stays at Number One, Clinton hangs mostly in the Number Two slot.Sanders stays at Number One, Clinton hangs mostly in the Number Two slot.
How many people have to Google Hillary Clinton, though...How many people have to Google Hillary Clinton, though...
How the #DemDebate changed ranks tonight, minute by minute http://t.co/eoamxu82rr pic.twitter.com/77mHK4LFPkHow the #DemDebate changed ranks tonight, minute by minute http://t.co/eoamxu82rr pic.twitter.com/77mHK4LFPk
Here’s Google tracking the issues people were searching during the debate:Here’s Google tracking the issues people were searching during the debate:
#healthcare, #guncontrol, #cannabisdebate… how the big issues stacked up in search tonight http://t.co/eoamxu82rr pic.twitter.com/4F2BGGNv58#healthcare, #guncontrol, #cannabisdebate… how the big issues stacked up in search tonight http://t.co/eoamxu82rr pic.twitter.com/4F2BGGNv58
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The Democrats have finished their first debate of the 2016 election and here’s a summary of where things stand:The Democrats have finished their first debate of the 2016 election and here’s a summary of where things stand:
Read a full transcript here. That’s it for us tonight. Thank you for reading, watching and commenting, and for inviting us to your party. See you in Boulder, Colorado, on 28 October, for the return of the Republicans ...Read a full transcript here. That’s it for us tonight. Thank you for reading, watching and commenting, and for inviting us to your party. See you in Boulder, Colorado, on 28 October, for the return of the Republicans ...
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Lucia GravesLucia Graves
From National Journal reporter and Guardian US contributor Lucia Graves:From National Journal reporter and Guardian US contributor Lucia Graves:
Bernie Sanders spokesman Michael Briggs has been blasting out emails all night, fact-checking his opponents. Some subjects include: “Hillary Clinton on the Keystone Pipeline” and “Hillary Clinton Positions on Guns.” Another quotes Hillary Clinton calling the TPP, which she recently came out against, “the gold standard in trade agreements”.Bernie Sanders spokesman Michael Briggs has been blasting out emails all night, fact-checking his opponents. Some subjects include: “Hillary Clinton on the Keystone Pipeline” and “Hillary Clinton Positions on Guns.” Another quotes Hillary Clinton calling the TPP, which she recently came out against, “the gold standard in trade agreements”.
It’s a weird move for a guy who’s made positivity (read: not attacking Hillary Clinton for the supposed greater good of the party) central to his brand. But after running on a positive message all election long, Sanders found himself in a precarious position: Bernie had to be the face of positivity, even as defended himself against attacks from his opponents and went after Clinton.It’s a weird move for a guy who’s made positivity (read: not attacking Hillary Clinton for the supposed greater good of the party) central to his brand. But after running on a positive message all election long, Sanders found himself in a precarious position: Bernie had to be the face of positivity, even as defended himself against attacks from his opponents and went after Clinton.
Sanders managed to balance staying true to his brand and attacking Clinton, at the same time. When Anderson Cooper raised questions about Clinton’s private email server, for instance, Sanders dismissed them energetically, saying: “Enough of the emails. Let’s talk about the real issues facing America!”Sanders managed to balance staying true to his brand and attacking Clinton, at the same time. When Anderson Cooper raised questions about Clinton’s private email server, for instance, Sanders dismissed them energetically, saying: “Enough of the emails. Let’s talk about the real issues facing America!”
But offstage, the emails from his spokesman sang a different note.But offstage, the emails from his spokesman sang a different note.
Stay tuned for more offstage reaction from the spin room via Guardian US political reporter Sabrina Siddiqui live at the Wynn in Las Vegas:Stay tuned for more offstage reaction from the spin room via Guardian US political reporter Sabrina Siddiqui live at the Wynn in Las Vegas:
This is what's awaiting Bernie Sanders in the spin room as he wraps up TV hit. pic.twitter.com/DST407SL7dThis is what's awaiting Bernie Sanders in the spin room as he wraps up TV hit. pic.twitter.com/DST407SL7d
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Ali GharibAli Gharib
From Guardian US contributor Ali Gharib, on that long-ago – but policy-heavy – bit on Putin, Clinton and the incredible disappearing no-fly zone:From Guardian US contributor Ali Gharib, on that long-ago – but policy-heavy – bit on Putin, Clinton and the incredible disappearing no-fly zone:
Hillary Clinton stood by one of the more hawkish foreign policy proposals that sets her apart from many of her Democratic opponents: a no-fly zone in Syria.Hillary Clinton stood by one of the more hawkish foreign policy proposals that sets her apart from many of her Democratic opponents: a no-fly zone in Syria.
“I’m trying to figure out what leverage we have to get Russia to the table,” she said.“I’m trying to figure out what leverage we have to get Russia to the table,” she said.
But that stands in contrast to what she said just last week: that the Russians would need to be on board before a no-fly zone was established. Defending her proposal in Iowa, Clinton said, “I think it’s complicated and the Russians would have to be part of it, or it wouldn’t work.”But that stands in contrast to what she said just last week: that the Russians would need to be on board before a no-fly zone was established. Defending her proposal in Iowa, Clinton said, “I think it’s complicated and the Russians would have to be part of it, or it wouldn’t work.”
Last week’s tack seems more reasonable than trying to block flights without Russian cooperation at a time when the Russians are flying frequent sorties in Syrian airspace.Last week’s tack seems more reasonable than trying to block flights without Russian cooperation at a time when the Russians are flying frequent sorties in Syrian airspace.
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Jim Webb: killed a guy.Jim Webb: killed a guy.
Cooper: Senator W— Jim Webb: I killed a guy. Cooper: The question was about climate. Webb: He's dead now. Cooper: B— Webb: The guy.Cooper: Senator W— Jim Webb: I killed a guy. Cooper: The question was about climate. Webb: He's dead now. Cooper: B— Webb: The guy.
Don’t think O’Malley had a breakout moment persay, but I also don’t think he’s going anywhere any time soon. Oh and Jim Webb killed someone.Don’t think O’Malley had a breakout moment persay, but I also don’t think he’s going anywhere any time soon. Oh and Jim Webb killed someone.
Lincoln Chafee: I am a block of granite Jim Webb: I used a block of granite to bludgeon a man to death.Lincoln Chafee: I am a block of granite Jim Webb: I used a block of granite to bludgeon a man to death.
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Lucia GravesLucia Graves
From National Journal reporter and Guardian US opinion contributor Lucia Graves:From National Journal reporter and Guardian US opinion contributor Lucia Graves:
Jim Webb just wouldn’t stop whining. ‘I’ve been standing over here for ten minutes trying,’ the former Virginia senator told Anderson Cooper when the host tried to cut him off earlier in the debate.Jim Webb just wouldn’t stop whining. ‘I’ve been standing over here for ten minutes trying,’ the former Virginia senator told Anderson Cooper when the host tried to cut him off earlier in the debate.
It’s a strange gripe for a guy who, midway through the night, was the third most mentioned name on Twitter according to Twitter’s own data, and who had the third largest quality of airtime according to PBS NewsHour.It’s a strange gripe for a guy who, midway through the night, was the third most mentioned name on Twitter according to Twitter’s own data, and who had the third largest quality of airtime according to PBS NewsHour.
It turns out whining may be a winning strategy, especially when you’ve got nothing left to lose.It turns out whining may be a winning strategy, especially when you’ve got nothing left to lose.
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Suzanne GoldenbergSuzanne Goldenberg
The five Democratic candidates said the words ‘climate change’ exactly 12 times in 2 hours. Here’s the Guardian’s US environment correspondent Suzanne Goldenberg on why CNN didn’t let them say it more:The five Democratic candidates said the words ‘climate change’ exactly 12 times in 2 hours. Here’s the Guardian’s US environment correspondent Suzanne Goldenberg on why CNN didn’t let them say it more:
The climate change segment of the debate finally came – but the question didn’t come from CNN moderators but a member of the public: what would you do about climate change if you were president?The climate change segment of the debate finally came – but the question didn’t come from CNN moderators but a member of the public: what would you do about climate change if you were president?
Martin O’Malley hauled out his plan to move the country to 100% clean energy by the middle of the century – but did not say how he would force industry to shift, or what would fill the energy gap. He made no mention of carbon pollution from transport, or land use.Martin O’Malley hauled out his plan to move the country to 100% clean energy by the middle of the century – but did not say how he would force industry to shift, or what would fill the energy gap. He made no mention of carbon pollution from transport, or land use.
Jim Webb revealed that when it comes to climate change, he is Republican-lite. He did not deny that climate change was occurring, but it is clearly not something he spends a lot of time worrying about – and unlike the other Democrats he will not spend a lot of time defending Barack Obama’s climate change regulations.Jim Webb revealed that when it comes to climate change, he is Republican-lite. He did not deny that climate change was occurring, but it is clearly not something he spends a lot of time worrying about – and unlike the other Democrats he will not spend a lot of time defending Barack Obama’s climate change regulations.
“Really we are not going to solve climate change simply with the laws here,” he said. “It’s a global problem.”“Really we are not going to solve climate change simply with the laws here,” he said. “It’s a global problem.”
Bernie Sanders reiterated his view of climate change as a moral challenge – and that Republicans are blocking progress on solutions because of their ties to the fossil fuel industry: “Nothing is going to happen unless we are prepared to deal with campaign finance reform because the fossil fuel industry is funding the Republican party which is denying the reality of climate change.”Bernie Sanders reiterated his view of climate change as a moral challenge – and that Republicans are blocking progress on solutions because of their ties to the fossil fuel industry: “Nothing is going to happen unless we are prepared to deal with campaign finance reform because the fossil fuel industry is funding the Republican party which is denying the reality of climate change.”
Hillary Clinton used the climate question once again to show up her experience as Secretary of State harkening back to an episode, recounted in her memoir, when she and Barack Obama went looking for the Chinese delegation in the cavernous conference centre at the Copenhagen climate meeting in 2009.Hillary Clinton used the climate question once again to show up her experience as Secretary of State harkening back to an episode, recounted in her memoir, when she and Barack Obama went looking for the Chinese delegation in the cavernous conference centre at the Copenhagen climate meeting in 2009.
Campaigners had been looking to the debate to shed some light on what the Democratic presidential contenders would actually do to fight climate change. But CNN moderators abdicated their responsibility on the climate question, and left it up to a member of the public. The sole climate question – when it came – was too open-ended for that.Campaigners had been looking to the debate to shed some light on what the Democratic presidential contenders would actually do to fight climate change. But CNN moderators abdicated their responsibility on the climate question, and left it up to a member of the public. The sole climate question – when it came – was too open-ended for that.
So this is what @hillaryclinton got up to at Copenhagen climate conference in 2009. By me http://t.co/HvzpqXBGRqSo this is what @hillaryclinton got up to at Copenhagen climate conference in 2009. By me http://t.co/HvzpqXBGRq
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From a reader on Guardian Witness:From a reader on Guardian Witness:
Was the below question answered to your satisfaction?Was the below question answered to your satisfaction?
Making anything happen under a republican congressMaking anything happen under a republican congress
Given that at least the House of Representatives will almost certainly remain in Republican hands what would you do as president to advance your policies?Given that at least the House of Representatives will almost certainly remain in Republican hands what would you do as president to advance your policies?
Congressional Republicans under President Obama have shown that reliance upon or faith in bipartisan negotiation is largely a waste of time, as they simply refuse to participate. Given that negotiation is (mostly) not an option what will you do on the campaign trail and in office to convince Americans to vote the Republican Party out of congress in 2018? What will you do to circumvent the Republican majority to achieve your policy goals in office? If you don't think these are the only options explain what other option(s) you think there are.Congressional Republicans under President Obama have shown that reliance upon or faith in bipartisan negotiation is largely a waste of time, as they simply refuse to participate. Given that negotiation is (mostly) not an option what will you do on the campaign trail and in office to convince Americans to vote the Republican Party out of congress in 2018? What will you do to circumvent the Republican majority to achieve your policy goals in office? If you don't think these are the only options explain what other option(s) you think there are.
TL;DR: Republicans almost always refuse to negotiate and will likely control congress. How will to enact anything you promise? Don't say negotiate with them...TL;DR: Republicans almost always refuse to negotiate and will likely control congress. How will to enact anything you promise? Don't say negotiate with them...
Sent via Guardian WitnessSent via Guardian Witness
By Zachary TosiBy Zachary Tosi
11 October 2015, 16:5811 October 2015, 16:58
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Dodgers tie seriesDodgers tie series
In case you weren’t among those channel surfing, the Dodgers have tied their NL playoffs series 2-2 with a 3-1 win over the Mets.In case you weren’t among those channel surfing, the Dodgers have tied their NL playoffs series 2-2 with a 3-1 win over the Mets.
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Further video highlights!
Hillary Clinton: ‘It’s time the entire country stood up to the NRA’ – video
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Closing statements
Paraphrasing a bit:
Chafee: I have had no scandals– look it up. I voted against Iraq. Please go to chafee2016 to learn more about me.
Webb: You’ve heard a lot of promises tonight. But I can promise you if you look at my record, I can fix anything. Vietnam.
O’Malley: Our debate was better than the Republican debates. We didn’t denigrate women or make racist comments about immigrants or trash another religion. Clean electric grid by 2050.
Sanders: We have the highest rate of childhood poverty and more income and wealth inequality than any developed nation. Here’s the truth. Nobody up here can address the problem unless millions of American people stand up to fight the business class. 30 bucks apiece at BernieSanders dot com!
Clinton: Who amongst us has the vision for actually making the changes to improve Americans’ lives? Mom always said, it’s not if you get knocked down, it’s whether you get back up. Raise middle class incomes. It’s morning in America.
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Jessica Valenti
From Guardian US columnist Jessica Valenti, as Martin O’Malley mentions that you didn’t hear any sexists on stage tonight:
I’m glad paid family leave finally came up – but very curious why the question was framed as an issue between Clinton and Carly Fiorina (another woman!). This is an issue that all the candidates should care about.
I like Bernie, but the line that countries around the world ‘say that when a mother has a baby, she should stay home with that baby’ made me cringe a bit. I understand what Sanders is getting at, but he needs to be a bit more careful on language here.
Not all women want to stay at home, but certainly if they want to right after having children, they should be able to.
That said, HELL YES on Hillary going all in on the GOP’s war on Planned Parenthood.
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Nicole Sandler
From radio host Nicole Sandler:
Wall Street and the pharmaceutical industry are the enemies Bernie Sanders is most proud of making! I thank him for challenging those two monoliths of evil!
I’m Feeling the Bern right now a lot more than I did two hours ago.
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They’re back. Cooper says something about “final question.”
Which enemy are you most proud of?
Chafee: “I guess the coal lobby.”
O’Malley: “The National Rifle Association.
Clinton: Apart from the NRA, “the health insurance companies, the drug companies, the Iranians, probably the Republicans.” It’s as if she sees enemies everywhere?
Sanders: Of all my enemies, “at the top of the list, I would love Wall Street and the pharmaceutical industry.”
Webb: “The enemy soldier that threw the grenade that wounded me, but he’s not around right now to talk to.”
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Nicole Sandler
About that ‘yes’ from Sanders on pot and that ‘no’ from Clinton – a quick take first from radio host Nicole Sandler:
Bernie would vote to legalize marijuana because too many lives are destroyed by non-violent offenses – and Wall Street CEOs walk away from their crimes, but we send kids smoking pot to jail. Yes!
Another reason I love Bernie: weed.
Hillary Clinton is not ready to take a position on recreational marijuana legalization … again. Does she take a stance on anything controversial? At least she’s also talking about our prison problem, but it’s not enough.
From writer and RaceBaitR editor-in-chief Hari Ziyad:
Senator Sanders and Clinton are right to note that the criminal justice system is sending too many nonviolent drug offenders to prison, but what about the disproportionate effects for black communities?
We cannot discuss drug reform without an understanding of the racist history of drug laws.
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Ed Pilkington
One of the boldest statements of the night so far has been Hillary Clinton’s contention that Edward Snowden, the former NSA contractor who leaked details of mass surveillance by the US government to the Guardian and other news organisations, had “stolen a lot of important information that has unfortunately fallen into the wrong hands”, writes Guardian US chief reporter Ed Pilkington. Here’s a Snowden fact-check:
The claim that the Snowden documents have been obtained by the ‘wrong hands’ – a euphemism it must be assumed for China and Russia – is not a new one. Clinton was slipping into old conspiracy theories that claim Snowden allowed the Chinese or Russian governments to hack into his NSA data files or even worse that he was acting as a spy on their behalf.
But as Ewen MacAskill, the Guardian’s Pulitzer prize-winning journalist, has pointed out, no evidence has ever been put forward suggesting that the Snowden documents were hacked or that Snowden himself handed the material to any person or agency other than reputable news outlets. To suggest otherwise, as Clinton did, was perilously close to teasing the American public with unsubstantiated rumour mongering.
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Who’s winning? Let’s hear it! Below the line please. We’ll feature the strongest and finest opinions in our reactions section after the debate has wrapped.
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More video highlights!
Bernie Sanders on why US needs a democratic socialist as president – video
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Daniel Hernandez
At the Culinary Union debate party in Las Vegas, Bethany Khan, a spokesperson for the Culinary Union 226, said the candidates did not go far enough on immigration reform, writes Daniel Hernandez.
“As a child of immigrants and someone who has family of mixed immigrant status, I was paying very close attention to what the candidates said about comprehensive immigration reform,” Khan said. “It was very vague. They’re not providing a plan. They talk about bringing people out of the shadows, but how? What’s going to happen to DAPA and DACA? We need action.”
More than 60% of Nevada’s Latinos have family, friends or co-workers who are undocumented immigrants.