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| Labor questions Turnbull on mechanics of marriage equality plebiscite – politics live | Labor questions Turnbull on mechanics of marriage equality plebiscite – politics live |
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| Nighty night | Nighty night |
| Rightio that’s enough for today. Thanks as always for marvellous company. Special thanks to Daniel Hurst for minding shop in the middle of the day. Enduring thanks to Mike Bowers who started with the sparrows to capture Joe Hockey at his breakfast and then powered on all day with rolling wonderments. Bless them. | Rightio that’s enough for today. Thanks as always for marvellous company. Special thanks to Daniel Hurst for minding shop in the middle of the day. Enduring thanks to Mike Bowers who started with the sparrows to capture Joe Hockey at his breakfast and then powered on all day with rolling wonderments. Bless them. |
| We’ll be back in the morning. | We’ll be back in the morning. |
| Until then, let’s review Wednesday. | Until then, let’s review Wednesday. |
| There was more of course, but they were the big ticket items of the day. | There was more of course, but they were the big ticket items of the day. |
| Until the morrow, go with your Gods. | Until the morrow, go with your Gods. |
| Updated | Updated |
| at 8.10am BST | at 8.10am BST |
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| Labor’s families spokeswoman Jenny Macklin has issued a statement in the wake of Christian Porter’s interview on Sky earlier today. It was an untidy appearance. Macklin is harsher than me. She’s characterised it as a train wreck. | Labor’s families spokeswoman Jenny Macklin has issued a statement in the wake of Christian Porter’s interview on Sky earlier today. It was an untidy appearance. Macklin is harsher than me. She’s characterised it as a train wreck. |
| As I posted earlier, Porter conceded that grandparent carers would be worse off under the government’s package “in isolation.” By that he meant the proposed reforms are swings and roundabouts – what benefit recipients lose in cuts they might gain on additional spending on childcare, which is structured as an incentive to encourage parents and carers to work. | As I posted earlier, Porter conceded that grandparent carers would be worse off under the government’s package “in isolation.” By that he meant the proposed reforms are swings and roundabouts – what benefit recipients lose in cuts they might gain on additional spending on childcare, which is structured as an incentive to encourage parents and carers to work. |
| Macklin isn’t buying the rationale. | Macklin isn’t buying the rationale. |
| Mr Porter: 15 year-old children aren’t going to childcare. Is Mr Porter seriously suggesting a 70 year old grandparent carer go back to work to make up for the government’s cuts to his family payments? Its clear Mr Porter isn’t across his brief. Christian Porter is completely out of his depth. Labor is very concerned about how these cuts will affect grandparent carers. | Mr Porter: 15 year-old children aren’t going to childcare. Is Mr Porter seriously suggesting a 70 year old grandparent carer go back to work to make up for the government’s cuts to his family payments? Its clear Mr Porter isn’t across his brief. Christian Porter is completely out of his depth. Labor is very concerned about how these cuts will affect grandparent carers. |
| Perhaps Macklin should go and have that cup of tea Porter offered her in question time. Porter is new in Canberra but he’s no political novice, having had a career in state politics before arriving here. He’s regarded by colleagues as extremely bright. But there are few people in the country who know as much about social policy as Jenny Macklin. It’s her thing, and she has the experience to run rings around people who aren’t across their brief. | Perhaps Macklin should go and have that cup of tea Porter offered her in question time. Porter is new in Canberra but he’s no political novice, having had a career in state politics before arriving here. He’s regarded by colleagues as extremely bright. But there are few people in the country who know as much about social policy as Jenny Macklin. It’s her thing, and she has the experience to run rings around people who aren’t across their brief. |
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| I keep chuckling about the prime minister’s artful non-answer on the same sex marriage plebiscite question in question time today. Chuckling in a rueful way. | I keep chuckling about the prime minister’s artful non-answer on the same sex marriage plebiscite question in question time today. Chuckling in a rueful way. |
| Just consider Turnbull’s real-world scenario here. Conservatives in the Liberal party were very happy with referendums and people’s votes when it was a delaying tactic to hold off parliamentary consideration of marriage equality. Now of course, a plebiscite looms, and the party is headed by a leader in favour of change, not a leader who would have moved heaven and earth to sink it. | Just consider Turnbull’s real-world scenario here. Conservatives in the Liberal party were very happy with referendums and people’s votes when it was a delaying tactic to hold off parliamentary consideration of marriage equality. Now of course, a plebiscite looms, and the party is headed by a leader in favour of change, not a leader who would have moved heaven and earth to sink it. |
| People in favour of reform of the marriage act within the government would like enabling legislation for the plebiscite to contain a provision automatically triggering marriage equality in the legislation in the event Australian voters say yes. | People in favour of reform of the marriage act within the government would like enabling legislation for the plebiscite to contain a provision automatically triggering marriage equality in the legislation in the event Australian voters say yes. |
| Maybe Turnbull can convince conservatives this is the only moral course given the Liberal party (famously) deliberated and chose not to press ahead with a conscience vote to settle the issue. It chose to have a “people’s vote” instead. | Maybe Turnbull can convince conservatives this is the only moral course given the Liberal party (famously) deliberated and chose not to press ahead with a conscience vote to settle the issue. It chose to have a “people’s vote” instead. |
| An automatic provision would lock in the change. Conservatives are unlikely to be happy about that. | An automatic provision would lock in the change. Conservatives are unlikely to be happy about that. |
| Just bringing on the discussion internally (let alone acting) is like reopening a nasty wound. | Just bringing on the discussion internally (let alone acting) is like reopening a nasty wound. |
| Tricky. Hence the fudge, which might be a signpost, but is nonetheless a fudge. | Tricky. Hence the fudge, which might be a signpost, but is nonetheless a fudge. |
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| I know Daniel Hurst posted this quote when he was minding the Politics Live shop earlier today but I’m really very fond of it in the Sir Humphrey Appleby way one is fond of diplomatic formulations from politicians or their advisers. | I know Daniel Hurst posted this quote when he was minding the Politics Live shop earlier today but I’m really very fond of it in the Sir Humphrey Appleby way one is fond of diplomatic formulations from politicians or their advisers. |
| Simon Birmingham, belting Bjørn Lomborg to the bleachers. | Simon Birmingham, belting Bjørn Lomborg to the bleachers. |
| If any Australian university wants to engage with Bjørn Lomborg, they should feel absolutely free to do so. Certainly a specific incentive from the government for such an institute is no longer available. | If any Australian university wants to engage with Bjørn Lomborg, they should feel absolutely free to do so. Certainly a specific incentive from the government for such an institute is no longer available. |
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| I’m conscious that I couldn’t stretch this morning to covering the treasury secretary John Fraser’s appearance before estimates this morning. Fortunately Jacob Greber from the Financial Review has done a more than stirling job of covering key points. AFR subscribers can read him in full here. | I’m conscious that I couldn’t stretch this morning to covering the treasury secretary John Fraser’s appearance before estimates this morning. Fortunately Jacob Greber from the Financial Review has done a more than stirling job of covering key points. AFR subscribers can read him in full here. |
| For our purposes, what do we need to know? | For our purposes, what do we need to know? |
| Firstly, Fraser was negative about the global debt outlook. He said global conditions underscored the imperative of budget repair in Australia. | Firstly, Fraser was negative about the global debt outlook. He said global conditions underscored the imperative of budget repair in Australia. |
| We need to address Australia’s structural budget problem through greater expenditure restraint. | We need to address Australia’s structural budget problem through greater expenditure restraint. |
| (Want to know why Scott Morrison says we have a spending problem not a revenue problem? Listen to the advice he gets. Moving forward.) | (Want to know why Scott Morrison says we have a spending problem not a revenue problem? Listen to the advice he gets. Moving forward.) |
| Fraser also appeared pleased that economic reform was back cooking away under the new Turnbull regime. | Fraser also appeared pleased that economic reform was back cooking away under the new Turnbull regime. |
| It’s good there’s been progress. I’m delighted, as I think most people are, that Harper is very much back on the table. I think the tax reform discussion, whatever you want to call it, has been moving in a very intelligent direction with all parties airing options. | It’s good there’s been progress. I’m delighted, as I think most people are, that Harper is very much back on the table. I think the tax reform discussion, whatever you want to call it, has been moving in a very intelligent direction with all parties airing options. |
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| Trade unions are not exactly thrilled with the CHAFTA peace in our time deal between the government and the opposition today. The Australian quotes Allen Hicks, the national secretary of the ETU, expressing disappointment. | Trade unions are not exactly thrilled with the CHAFTA peace in our time deal between the government and the opposition today. The Australian quotes Allen Hicks, the national secretary of the ETU, expressing disappointment. |
| Allen Hicks: | Allen Hicks: |
| The fact that the ALP could not achieve concessions on key areas of job security, safety and sovereignty is of significant concern to our union and its members. | The fact that the ALP could not achieve concessions on key areas of job security, safety and sovereignty is of significant concern to our union and its members. |
| ACTU president Ged Kearney isn’t thrilled either. She says Labor didn’t emerge with enough concessions, and has just told Sky News that the unions will press ahead with campaigning against the deal. | ACTU president Ged Kearney isn’t thrilled either. She says Labor didn’t emerge with enough concessions, and has just told Sky News that the unions will press ahead with campaigning against the deal. |
| Unfortunately they (the ALP) didn’t cover off all the gaps we have with the free trade agreement. | Unfortunately they (the ALP) didn’t cover off all the gaps we have with the free trade agreement. |
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| Speers asks when we’ll see the childcare package. The social services minister says when the parliament gets serious about the savings required to pay for it. | Speers asks when we’ll see the childcare package. The social services minister says when the parliament gets serious about the savings required to pay for it. |
| Christian Porter: | Christian Porter: |
| We want to know we are going to have support from the crossbench and the opposition. | We want to know we are going to have support from the crossbench and the opposition. |
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| The social services minister Christian Porter is on Sky News now being grilled about today’s family benefit package. | The social services minister Christian Porter is on Sky News now being grilled about today’s family benefit package. |
| Sky News political editor David Speers is troubled by the numbers. He counts a $2.4b saving and a $3.5b spend. How does this help the budget? Porter says additional savings have been found. Speers moves on to the issue raised by Labor in question time – grandparent carers. They are worse off under this package, aren’t they? | Sky News political editor David Speers is troubled by the numbers. He counts a $2.4b saving and a $3.5b spend. How does this help the budget? Porter says additional savings have been found. Speers moves on to the issue raised by Labor in question time – grandparent carers. They are worse off under this package, aren’t they? |
| Christian Porter: | Christian Porter: |
| In isolation. | In isolation. |
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| I’m sorry I’ve been detained briefly, in part by Sydney nudists, but we are back in formation now for the afternoon. | I’m sorry I’ve been detained briefly, in part by Sydney nudists, but we are back in formation now for the afternoon. |
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| I should have said, further questions have been placed on the notice paper. | I should have said, further questions have been placed on the notice paper. |
| Here’s a neat little chamber sequence of the prime minister, by Mr Bowers. | Here’s a neat little chamber sequence of the prime minister, by Mr Bowers. |
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| Meanwhile. | Meanwhile. |
| House of Reps has agreed to a Government motion to extend sitting hours tonight until the #ChAFTA legislation is debated and passed #auspol | House of Reps has agreed to a Government motion to extend sitting hours tonight until the #ChAFTA legislation is debated and passed #auspol |
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| It might. Time to talk turkey though, isn’t it? | It might. Time to talk turkey though, isn’t it? |
| ..which MIGHT indicate he's considering structuring plebiscite bill to include changing Marriage Act with start date pegged to yes vote #QT | ..which MIGHT indicate he's considering structuring plebiscite bill to include changing Marriage Act with start date pegged to yes vote #QT |
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| It’s a great sentiment from Turnbull, people vote yes, parliament votes yes, but how does it vote yes? If it’s a conscience vote, the numbers might not be there for a change. Does Cory Bernardi vote yes? Does Joe Bullock? | It’s a great sentiment from Turnbull, people vote yes, parliament votes yes, but how does it vote yes? If it’s a conscience vote, the numbers might not be there for a change. Does Cory Bernardi vote yes? Does Joe Bullock? |
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| Fudge of the week? | Fudge of the week? |
| Marriage equality. | Marriage equality. |
| Q: My question is to the prime minister. I refer to the prime minister’s support for a plebiscite on marriage equality. Will the national result of the plebiscite be binding on Coalition members or will individual Coalition members be bound by the results in their individual seats or will the vote not be binding on Coalition members at all? | Q: My question is to the prime minister. I refer to the prime minister’s support for a plebiscite on marriage equality. Will the national result of the plebiscite be binding on Coalition members or will individual Coalition members be bound by the results in their individual seats or will the vote not be binding on Coalition members at all? |
| An excellent question, which produces an early contender for fudge of the week from Malcolm Turnbull. | An excellent question, which produces an early contender for fudge of the week from Malcolm Turnbull. |
| That is a very good question and I thank you for it. Well, I think it’s fair – I think it’s an absolutely reasonable request and the answer is that the consequence of a yes vote in the plebiscite will be that same-sex marriage will be legal in Australia. | That is a very good question and I thank you for it. Well, I think it’s fair – I think it’s an absolutely reasonable request and the answer is that the consequence of a yes vote in the plebiscite will be that same-sex marriage will be legal in Australia. |
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| Labor has moved on to science funding now on the theme of ‘Malcolm Turnbull is all talk and no action.’ | Labor has moved on to science funding now on the theme of ‘Malcolm Turnbull is all talk and no action.’ |
| Q: Last year, the now prime minister took the German chancellor to NICTA, Australia’s flagship research agency. Why has the government cut funding to NICTA? | Q: Last year, the now prime minister took the German chancellor to NICTA, Australia’s flagship research agency. Why has the government cut funding to NICTA? |
| Don’t you worry about NICTA, the prime minister says. It’s a powerhouse. | Don’t you worry about NICTA, the prime minister says. It’s a powerhouse. |
| I have great confidence in this work in the CSIRO, great confidence in Larry Marshall, the CEO, and great confidence in David Thodey and that whole team at CSIRO. This is going to be a much more dynamic organisation as a result of the merger with NICTA. | I have great confidence in this work in the CSIRO, great confidence in Larry Marshall, the CEO, and great confidence in David Thodey and that whole team at CSIRO. This is going to be a much more dynamic organisation as a result of the merger with NICTA. |
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| Social services minister Christian Porter has indicated he will shout Jenny Macklin a cup of tea. | Social services minister Christian Porter has indicated he will shout Jenny Macklin a cup of tea. |
| I might take this opportunity to put to the member for Jagajaga that if the grandparent cohort is the only concern that Labor has about (the family benefits package) then let’s have a cup of tea. | I might take this opportunity to put to the member for Jagajaga that if the grandparent cohort is the only concern that Labor has about (the family benefits package) then let’s have a cup of tea. |
| Macklin laughs at this invitation. Porter presses on. | Macklin laughs at this invitation. Porter presses on. |
| It’s a very, very small cohort. It is about 3,000. | It’s a very, very small cohort. It is about 3,000. |
| It’s a genuine offer. I will shout the cup of tea and we can sit down and talk about that. | It’s a genuine offer. I will shout the cup of tea and we can sit down and talk about that. |
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| While the prime minister is some distance from the node (his words) .. | While the prime minister is some distance from the node (his words) .. |
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| Judy Garland, the member for Jagajaga, has told us you have to pay for this somehow. Somewhere over the rainbow. Way up high. | Judy Garland, the member for Jagajaga, has told us you have to pay for this somehow. Somewhere over the rainbow. Way up high. |
| This is the treasurer, Scott Morrison, a musical theatre buff. | This is the treasurer, Scott Morrison, a musical theatre buff. |
| Those opposite have engaged in a discussion today, the old discussion about winners and losers. | Those opposite have engaged in a discussion today, the old discussion about winners and losers. |
| (Yes, that old discussion. The one voters are very often interested in.) | (Yes, that old discussion. The one voters are very often interested in.) |