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Pressure on Peter Dutton to report details of refugee's death – politics live Pressure on Peter Dutton to report details of refugee's death – politics live
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.@ABFComm "(#ChristmasIsland) is secure and we're taking a calm and steady approach to resettling the centre" More details 11am @SkyNewsAust
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Andrew Tillett and Andrew Probyn of the West Australian have more reports on the riots on Christmas Island. Probyn has been speaking to Matej Cuperka, a 25-year-old Slovakian who overstayed his tourist visa.
The Andrews report “with the fall in the boat people, the Government is increasingly using the Christmas Island detention centre to house hardened criminals and former prisoners awaiting deportation, leading it to be dubbed “Kiwi Alcatraz” because of the number of New Zealanders detainees”.
There are other people with no criminal record but awaiting deportation on immigration offences such as overstaying visas, held there, along with some asylum seekers.
The guys just broke into the canteen, broke into the property and just started burning the place down and well it is continuing.
It is pretty smoky here, we can see the fire from different compounds. Our compound is sort of a protection area so no one has got in here so far but we’re pretty scared that the Kiwi guys are going to get in here when they get bored and they will start bashing people up.
We saw the smoke coming from the top but we can’t see because we are under lockdown so from the other compounds. We see burning in the property area. The guys have been setting off the fires everywhere they possibly could.
I call the police and fire rescue myself, no one gives a flying fuck about it.
Updated at 11.44pm GMT
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I should also note that Liberal MP Andrew Southcott pointed out that, in the past, a senator complained when Greens senator Sarah Hanson Young brought her two year old daughter into the chamber.
This was the incident, reported in a parliamentary paper.
On 18 June 2009, during the second reading debate on the Protecting children from junk food advertising bill 2006 [2008] in the Senate, a division was called on a motion from Greens leader senator Bob Brown. Greens senator Sarah Hanson-Young entered the chamber to vote carrying her two year old daughter. The president of the Senate ruled that the child be removed from the chamber. One of the senator’s staff then carried the crying child out of the chamber. Of the incident, Hanson-Young later remarked, I don’t think I’ve ever felt so humiliated in my life.
The paper points out the rules have only changed in the past 20 years.
On 18 June 2009, the president of the Senate ruled that a child of a senator be removed from the chamber. Formal parliamentary procedures do not allow for senators or members to bring their children onto floor of the Senate and House of Representatives chamber. The only exception is for breastfeeding mothers in the Senate.
That is still not the case in the lower house.
The issue of allowing senators and members to take their children onto the floor of the parliamentary chambers cuts across a number of conflicting values. These values concern the requirements of a modern workplace, the importance of a representative parliament, the need to provide a safe working environment free from disturbance and the importance of upholding the Westminster tradition of parliamentary practice.
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Robyne Young has pointed to me towards this:Robyne Young has pointed to me towards this:
In Australian Federal Law breastfeeding is a right, not a privilege. In Australian federal law breastfeeding is a right, not a privilege.
Under the federal Sex Discrimination Act 1984 it is illegal in Australia to discriminate against a person either directly or indirectly on the grounds of breastfeeding. Direct discrimination happens when a person treats someone less favourably than another person. For example, it is discriminatory for a waiter to decline to serve a patron who is breastfeeding. Indirect discrimination happens when an apparently neutral condition has the effect of disadvantaging a particular group, in this case women who are breastfeeding. For example, an employer may impose a requirement on all employees that they must not make any breaks for set periods during the day under any circumstances. Such a condition would particularly disadvantage women who need to express milk.Under the federal Sex Discrimination Act 1984 it is illegal in Australia to discriminate against a person either directly or indirectly on the grounds of breastfeeding. Direct discrimination happens when a person treats someone less favourably than another person. For example, it is discriminatory for a waiter to decline to serve a patron who is breastfeeding. Indirect discrimination happens when an apparently neutral condition has the effect of disadvantaging a particular group, in this case women who are breastfeeding. For example, an employer may impose a requirement on all employees that they must not make any breaks for set periods during the day under any circumstances. Such a condition would particularly disadvantage women who need to express milk.
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Liberal MP Andrew Southcott is reporting to the house, regarding the standing committee’s intended inquiry into procedures governing nursing mothers. Liberal MP Andrew Southcott is reporting to the house regarding the standing committee’s intended inquiry into procedures governing nursing mothers.
He says 10 MPs have had babies in the past year, which has represented a “baby boom” in parliament.He says 10 MPs have had babies in the past year, which has represented a “baby boom” in parliament.
One of the challenges for women returning to work is continuing to breast feed. One of the challenges for women returning to work is the ability to continue to breast feed.
At the moment, breast feeding mothers are allowed to vote by proxy and as a result of a number of enquiries, the standing committee on procedures will look at whether members are allowed to feed in the chamber. At the moment, breast feeding mothers are allowed to vote by proxy and, as a result of a number of enquiries, the standing committee on procedures will look at whether members are allowed to feed in the chamber.
It is technically against the rules to have a child in the chamber.It is technically against the rules to have a child in the chamber.
Southcott says it is important that the parliament reflects the members and the wider community and he urged all MPs to contribute to the inquiry.Southcott says it is important that the parliament reflects the members and the wider community and he urged all MPs to contribute to the inquiry.
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Re nursing mothers, you will remember this story:Re nursing mothers, you will remember this story:
The office of the Liberal MP who was reportedly urged by the chief whip, Scott Buchholz, to express more milk for her newborn child to avoid missing important votes in the chamber while she was breastfeeding, has said the issue has been resolved.The office of the Liberal MP who was reportedly urged by the chief whip, Scott Buchholz, to express more milk for her newborn child to avoid missing important votes in the chamber while she was breastfeeding, has said the issue has been resolved.
A spokeswoman for Kelly O’Dwyer would not be drawn on the specifics of the report by Fairfax Media but confirmed that an issue with the chief whip relating to breastfeeding during sitting weeks “has been resolved”.A spokeswoman for Kelly O’Dwyer would not be drawn on the specifics of the report by Fairfax Media but confirmed that an issue with the chief whip relating to breastfeeding during sitting weeks “has been resolved”.
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We love you, About the House.We love you, About the House.
The bells are ringing! Petitions up first followed by adequacy of provisions for nursing mothers in the House https://t.co/8DB1X3Ss2vThe bells are ringing! Petitions up first followed by adequacy of provisions for nursing mothers in the House https://t.co/8DB1X3Ss2v
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Scott Morrison is asked whether we can have large scale tax reform without a GST rise.Scott Morrison is asked whether we can have large scale tax reform without a GST rise.
The treasurer says the government is going through all the options and he’s not going play the rule-in-rule-out game.The treasurer says the government is going through all the options and he’s not going play the rule-in-rule-out game.
That’s the whole point of getting past what has been for the last eight years, the time of gotcha politics and rule in and rule out, which I said on the weekend has euthanised, I think, good policy debate in this country ... So we’re not going to go back to that conflict-driven time.That’s the whole point of getting past what has been for the last eight years, the time of gotcha politics and rule in and rule out, which I said on the weekend has euthanised, I think, good policy debate in this country ... So we’re not going to go back to that conflict-driven time.
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Bracket creep – the silent tax, says Scott MorrisonBracket creep – the silent tax, says Scott Morrison
Treasurer Scott Morrison has been doorstopped after his regular Ray Hadley interview.Treasurer Scott Morrison has been doorstopped after his regular Ray Hadley interview.
Morrison is talking tax and the need for a restructure. His target is personal income tax cuts and he points out that the GST has been raised by the state premiers, not him.Morrison is talking tax and the need for a restructure. His target is personal income tax cuts and he points out that the GST has been raised by the state premiers, not him.
Bracket creep is a thing.Bracket creep is a thing.
The tax system is one of the things that can hold Australians back. In particular for those who will be on an average wage next year, they will go into the second highest tax bracket. They might not know that, because they may not be getting a pay slip every fortnight or week or month any more. The money just goes to the bank account. You go to the ATM, you pull your money out, you don’t see the 19c or the 37c or the 45c that’s already gone, let alone the Medicare levy on top of that. This is a silent, forgotten tax.The tax system is one of the things that can hold Australians back. In particular for those who will be on an average wage next year, they will go into the second highest tax bracket. They might not know that, because they may not be getting a pay slip every fortnight or week or month any more. The money just goes to the bank account. You go to the ATM, you pull your money out, you don’t see the 19c or the 37c or the 45c that’s already gone, let alone the Medicare levy on top of that. This is a silent, forgotten tax.
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Labor’s Richard Marles has put out a statement on the death of Fazel Chegeni and the subsequent riots.Labor’s Richard Marles has put out a statement on the death of Fazel Chegeni and the subsequent riots.
Labor is aware of the death of a man from the Christmas Island immigration detention centre.Labor is aware of the death of a man from the Christmas Island immigration detention centre.
This is a tragic incident and our thoughts go to the family and friends of this man.This is a tragic incident and our thoughts go to the family and friends of this man.
We understand this is now the subject of a coronial inquiry. It is important we determine exactly what happened and what the circumstances of his death were.We understand this is now the subject of a coronial inquiry. It is important we determine exactly what happened and what the circumstances of his death were.
It is also appropriate that this process is conducted with transparency.It is also appropriate that this process is conducted with transparency.
Labor has sought a briefing from the Department of Immigration and Border Protection into the details of this incident.Labor has sought a briefing from the Department of Immigration and Border Protection into the details of this incident.
Labor is also aware of reports about unrest at the Christmas Island facility following this incident.Labor is also aware of reports about unrest at the Christmas Island facility following this incident.
The government needs to immediately provide an assurance that people within this facility are safe.The government needs to immediately provide an assurance that people within this facility are safe.
There needs to be greater transparency of all Australian-funded facilities.There needs to be greater transparency of all Australian-funded facilities.
Labor would put in place independent oversight of all Australian-funded facilities.Labor would put in place independent oversight of all Australian-funded facilities.
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Shalailah MedhoraShalailah Medhora
The Greens leader, Richard Di Natale, has spoken to reporters on the Christmas Island disturbance. He said the situation is volatile and needs to be investigated.The Greens leader, Richard Di Natale, has spoken to reporters on the Christmas Island disturbance. He said the situation is volatile and needs to be investigated.
We have grave concerns about what’s happening on Christmas Island. This is a stain on our national character. We’ve got a policy now that is morally unsustainable, that is financially unsustainable ... This is something that Malcolm Turnbull needs to demonstrate some leadership on.We have grave concerns about what’s happening on Christmas Island. This is a stain on our national character. We’ve got a policy now that is morally unsustainable, that is financially unsustainable ... This is something that Malcolm Turnbull needs to demonstrate some leadership on.
The Greens will work with the government on changing asylum seeker policies, he said.The Greens will work with the government on changing asylum seeker policies, he said.
I’ll be talking to Malcolm Turnbull to let him know that I’m prepared to work with him to change our current system of offshore detention to ensure that it is more decent and more compassionate ... We are pushing people to breaking point ... This is a symptom of a government policy that is now in crisis.I’ll be talking to Malcolm Turnbull to let him know that I’m prepared to work with him to change our current system of offshore detention to ensure that it is more decent and more compassionate ... We are pushing people to breaking point ... This is a symptom of a government policy that is now in crisis.
Updated at 10.51pm GMTUpdated at 10.51pm GMT
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Michelle Grattan of the Conversation, has addressed the issue of the royal commission, notwithstanding his sigh of relief at the news on Friday.Michelle Grattan of the Conversation, has addressed the issue of the royal commission, notwithstanding his sigh of relief at the news on Friday.
The details of union corruption and thuggery that have come out at the commission are appalling. It is true, as Shorten and Labor keep saying, that the commission was set up as a political exercise with him as one of its targets. But that does not alter the fact that it has exposed shocking conduct.The details of union corruption and thuggery that have come out at the commission are appalling. It is true, as Shorten and Labor keep saying, that the commission was set up as a political exercise with him as one of its targets. But that does not alter the fact that it has exposed shocking conduct.
Some of the worst behaviour has involved the Construction, Forestry, Mining and Energy Union (CFMEU).Some of the worst behaviour has involved the Construction, Forestry, Mining and Energy Union (CFMEU).
Surely that union should be disaffiliated by the ALP, or at least have its affiliation suspended until there is clear evidence the situation has been rectified.Surely that union should be disaffiliated by the ALP, or at least have its affiliation suspended until there is clear evidence the situation has been rectified.
But here’s the problem.But here’s the problem.
But the CFMEU forms part of Shorten’s power base. It was vital at this year’s ALP national conference in helping him with the numbers on key issues, most notably the policy that allows a future Labor government to turn back asylum seeker boats.But the CFMEU forms part of Shorten’s power base. It was vital at this year’s ALP national conference in helping him with the numbers on key issues, most notably the policy that allows a future Labor government to turn back asylum seeker boats.
Updated at 10.48pm GMTUpdated at 10.48pm GMT
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If you can hark back to your carefree hours on Friday night, you will remember that the trade union royal commission effectively cleared opposition leader Bill Shorten of any wrong doing in regard to his time at the head of the AWU.If you can hark back to your carefree hours on Friday night, you will remember that the trade union royal commission effectively cleared opposition leader Bill Shorten of any wrong doing in regard to his time at the head of the AWU.
Commissioner Dyson Heydon said the information dump – commonly known in the trade as taking out the trash – at 8pm on Friday night was not intended to cause any “disrespect” but was in keeping with his timetable. His defence amounted to commission staff being really, really busy.Commissioner Dyson Heydon said the information dump – commonly known in the trade as taking out the trash – at 8pm on Friday night was not intended to cause any “disrespect” but was in keeping with his timetable. His defence amounted to commission staff being really, really busy.
Bill Shorten, when asked by reporters in Perth on Saturday afternoon what he made of the timing, said it spoke for itself.Bill Shorten, when asked by reporters in Perth on Saturday afternoon what he made of the timing, said it spoke for itself.
Well you’re experienced members of the media, if something’s coming out at 8.00 at night, I’m not going to speculate, but it does speak for itself.Well you’re experienced members of the media, if something’s coming out at 8.00 at night, I’m not going to speculate, but it does speak for itself.
In spite of the findings, Shorten was not cut any slack by one old stager.In spite of the findings, Shorten was not cut any slack by one old stager.
Former NSW Labor treasurer Michael Costa, a regular critic of his old party, has criticised Shorten for failing to use the commission to reform Labor and get rid of undue union influence.Former NSW Labor treasurer Michael Costa, a regular critic of his old party, has criticised Shorten for failing to use the commission to reform Labor and get rid of undue union influence.
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Back to the parliamentary agenda, the following bills are on the program today:Back to the parliamentary agenda, the following bills are on the program today:
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If there is a single question raised by the death of Fazel Chegeni, it is this one:If there is a single question raised by the death of Fazel Chegeni, it is this one:
The young man who died on Christmas Is was found to be a refugee years ago. So why was he in detention, exactly?The young man who died on Christmas Is was found to be a refugee years ago. So why was he in detention, exactly?
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Reports of riots at Christmas IslandReports of riots at Christmas Island
A detainee has told Alex Lee at Buzzfeed “everything’s on fire” at the Christmas Island detention centre, after the death of Fazel Chegeni. Riots have involved 100-150 people.A detainee has told Alex Lee at Buzzfeed “everything’s on fire” at the Christmas Island detention centre, after the death of Fazel Chegeni. Riots have involved 100-150 people.
They ripped off the walls, broke into the canteen and stole cigarettes. They’ve broken into the offices, and they’ve got the fire extinguishers and they’re smashing all the cameras in this place. I’m just laying low. I’m not afraid right now but I’m afraid of what’s going to happen – what will be the repercussions from this? ... I was meant to have an appointment with immigration today, that’s not going to happen now.They ripped off the walls, broke into the canteen and stole cigarettes. They’ve broken into the offices, and they’ve got the fire extinguishers and they’re smashing all the cameras in this place. I’m just laying low. I’m not afraid right now but I’m afraid of what’s going to happen – what will be the repercussions from this? ... I was meant to have an appointment with immigration today, that’s not going to happen now.
Updated at 10.23pm GMTUpdated at 10.23pm GMT
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Parliament starts at 10am this morning.Parliament starts at 10am this morning.
Environment minister Greg Hunt is at the talks before the climate talks in Paris.Environment minister Greg Hunt is at the talks before the climate talks in Paris.
Spoke at #PreCOP in Paris today about our commitment to tackling climate change & keeping warming to below 2 degrees pic.twitter.com/G5u6KxcSKFSpoke at #PreCOP in Paris today about our commitment to tackling climate change & keeping warming to below 2 degrees pic.twitter.com/G5u6KxcSKF
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Refugee's body found at bottom of cliffs away from detention centre, Immigration department confirmsRefugee's body found at bottom of cliffs away from detention centre, Immigration department confirms
Another statement just released from the department on the death of Fazel Chegeni:Another statement just released from the department on the death of Fazel Chegeni:
The department can confirm a disturbance in progress at the Christmas Island immigration detention centre. The department and its service providers are at the centre, working together to assess and resolve the situation. While there are reports of damage inside the centre its perimeter remains secure. There are no reports of any injuries.The department can confirm a disturbance in progress at the Christmas Island immigration detention centre. The department and its service providers are at the centre, working together to assess and resolve the situation. While there are reports of damage inside the centre its perimeter remains secure. There are no reports of any injuries.
The department is working with its partners to restore the good order of the centre. Any criminal offences will be referred to the police for investigation.The department is working with its partners to restore the good order of the centre. Any criminal offences will be referred to the police for investigation.
The disturbance follows an incident on Saturday (November 7) in which a detainee escaped from the centre. A search and rescue operation was immediately undertaken, however, the escapee’s body was later discovered by search and rescue teams on Sunday at the bottom of island cliffs away from the centre. The cause of his death is not currently known and a report is being prepared for the coroner.The disturbance follows an incident on Saturday (November 7) in which a detainee escaped from the centre. A search and rescue operation was immediately undertaken, however, the escapee’s body was later discovered by search and rescue teams on Sunday at the bottom of island cliffs away from the centre. The cause of his death is not currently known and a report is being prepared for the coroner.
The department will make further comments as events unfold throughout the day.The department will make further comments as events unfold throughout the day.
Updated at 10.20pm GMTUpdated at 10.20pm GMT
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Detainees allege refugee found dead near perimeter fence, New Zealand MP reportsDetainees allege refugee found dead near perimeter fence, New Zealand MP reports
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New Zealand Labor MP Kelvin Davis, who visited the detention centre a few weeks ago, said that Kiwis on Christmas Island have asked for help.New Zealand Labor MP Kelvin Davis, who visited the detention centre a few weeks ago, said that Kiwis on Christmas Island have asked for help.
He has spoken to New Zealand detainees housed on the island. The disturbance, he said, started after an Iranian detainee asked a guard what happened to the dead Iranian-Kurdish refugee. The guard assaulted the man and other asylum seekers retaliated, Davis said.He has spoken to New Zealand detainees housed on the island. The disturbance, he said, started after an Iranian detainee asked a guard what happened to the dead Iranian-Kurdish refugee. The guard assaulted the man and other asylum seekers retaliated, Davis said.
They’re scared, they’ve asked me to try and get New Zealand consulate people over to Christmas Island to be witness to the injuries that they believe they’re going to receive in the coming days.They’re scared, they’ve asked me to try and get New Zealand consulate people over to Christmas Island to be witness to the injuries that they believe they’re going to receive in the coming days.
Detainees “feared the worst” had happened to the Kurdish man, Davis said.Detainees “feared the worst” had happened to the Kurdish man, Davis said.
If he was out for a couple of days and on the run, he wouldn’t have been found near the perimeter of the detention centre, and there’s nowhere to run on Christmas Island either ... So there’s a lot of grey areas. I think there’s quite a bit of propaganda coming out from both sides.If he was out for a couple of days and on the run, he wouldn’t have been found near the perimeter of the detention centre, and there’s nowhere to run on Christmas Island either ... So there’s a lot of grey areas. I think there’s quite a bit of propaganda coming out from both sides.
The behaviour of guards isn’t helping, he warned.The behaviour of guards isn’t helping, he warned.
They’re scared that these guys will come in with batons waving, rather than trying to calm the situation in the first instance ... I don’t think that the situation will be helped if they come in guns blazing, so to speak.They’re scared that these guys will come in with batons waving, rather than trying to calm the situation in the first instance ... I don’t think that the situation will be helped if they come in guns blazing, so to speak.
Most detainees are now huddled together outside the detention centre on a sports ground, Davis said.Most detainees are now huddled together outside the detention centre on a sports ground, Davis said.
There’s safety in numbers there and they want to be outside.There’s safety in numbers there and they want to be outside.
Updated at 10.06pm GMTUpdated at 10.06pm GMT
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Good morning political meerkats,Good morning political meerkats,
When I drove into a watermelon sunrise the day seemed calm enough, but it was a ruse.When I drove into a watermelon sunrise the day seemed calm enough, but it was a ruse.
There are many items on the political agenda.There are many items on the political agenda.
At the top is the death of a refugee, believed to be Fazel Chegeni, who was in his 30s.At the top is the death of a refugee, believed to be Fazel Chegeni, who was in his 30s.
Gordon Taylor, shire president of Christmas Island, has told the ABC he was disappointed the immigration department had “allowed rumour to spread”. The government’s information shutters have gone down, even though this is an on-land issue.Gordon Taylor, shire president of Christmas Island, has told the ABC he was disappointed the immigration department had “allowed rumour to spread”. The government’s information shutters have gone down, even though this is an on-land issue.
Now there are reports of rioting on the island and suggestions the staff at the centre have gone AWOL.Now there are reports of rioting on the island and suggestions the staff at the centre have gone AWOL.
This is the statement from the immigration department:This is the statement from the immigration department:
The department can confirm a disturbance at Christmas Island Immigration Detention Centre.The department can confirm a disturbance at Christmas Island Immigration Detention Centre.
The department and its service providers are working together to resolve the situation.The department and its service providers are working together to resolve the situation.
The department is committed to providing a safe and secure environment for detainees, and maintaining the good order of detention facilities.The department is committed to providing a safe and secure environment for detainees, and maintaining the good order of detention facilities.
Any criminal offences will be referred to the police.Any criminal offences will be referred to the police.
No injuries have been reported. It would not be appropriate to make further detailed comments on matters that are subject to ongoing operations.No injuries have been reported. It would not be appropriate to make further detailed comments on matters that are subject to ongoing operations.
With border force staff striking today and causing delays at airports, the immigration minister, Peter Dutton, is in high demand. He has yet to be sighted. But rest assured we are on high alert – like a meerkat – for any further details.With border force staff striking today and causing delays at airports, the immigration minister, Peter Dutton, is in high demand. He has yet to be sighted. But rest assured we are on high alert – like a meerkat – for any further details.
Parliament resumes for the week. There is more counter-terrorism legislation on the agenda this week, including the bill to remove Australian citizenship from dual nationals suspected of terrorism.Parliament resumes for the week. There is more counter-terrorism legislation on the agenda this week, including the bill to remove Australian citizenship from dual nationals suspected of terrorism.
And we await with bated breath the Charles and Camilla Show, which hits the national capital on Wednesday.And we await with bated breath the Charles and Camilla Show, which hits the national capital on Wednesday.
Stick with us, join the conversation below or on the Twits @gabriellechan and @mpbowers.Stick with us, join the conversation below or on the Twits @gabriellechan and @mpbowers.
Updated at 10.05pm GMTUpdated at 10.05pm GMT