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| Clinton and Sanders battle over Wall Street in Democratic debate – as it happened | Clinton and Sanders battle over Wall Street in Democratic debate – as it happened |
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| The fourth Democratic debate has reached its fitting and complete anticlimax. Here’s a summary of what we learned in Charleston on Sunday night: | The fourth Democratic debate has reached its fitting and complete anticlimax. Here’s a summary of what we learned in Charleston on Sunday night: |
| And you can read a full take on the debate, by my colleagues Dan Roberts and Ed Pilkington, through the link below. | And you can read a full take on the debate, by my colleagues Dan Roberts and Ed Pilkington, through the link below. |
| 4.07am GMT | 4.07am GMT |
| 04:07 | 04:07 |
| Ben Jacobs | Ben Jacobs |
| Pete D’Alessandro, the state coordinator for Bernie Sanders, delivered a stirring speech to a bar full of Sanders supporters after the debate tonight. D’Alessandro, who has worked for a variety of underdog Democrats ranging from the late Minnesota senator Paul Wellstone to former Illinois governor Pat Quinn, told attendees that they were on the verge of one of the great upsets in American political history. | Pete D’Alessandro, the state coordinator for Bernie Sanders, delivered a stirring speech to a bar full of Sanders supporters after the debate tonight. D’Alessandro, who has worked for a variety of underdog Democrats ranging from the late Minnesota senator Paul Wellstone to former Illinois governor Pat Quinn, told attendees that they were on the verge of one of the great upsets in American political history. |
| He promised them if the Vermont senator wins in Iowa, there is a path to victory. Polls have Iowa almost a jump ball and, if Sanders wins in the Hawkeye State, he would be the favorite in New Hampshire. No Democrat has won both Iowa and New Hampshire in the modern era without winning the nomination. | He promised them if the Vermont senator wins in Iowa, there is a path to victory. Polls have Iowa almost a jump ball and, if Sanders wins in the Hawkeye State, he would be the favorite in New Hampshire. No Democrat has won both Iowa and New Hampshire in the modern era without winning the nomination. |
| Bernie Sanders' state coordinator inspires a room in Des Moines pic.twitter.com/U9MkMdU5vg | Bernie Sanders' state coordinator inspires a room in Des Moines pic.twitter.com/U9MkMdU5vg |
| 3.54am GMT | 3.54am GMT |
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| Lester Holt suddenly, unexpectedly, asks Martin O’Malley whether there’s anything he would like to say to Americans who haven’t changed the channel. O’Malley is surprised. | Lester Holt suddenly, unexpectedly, asks Martin O’Malley whether there’s anything he would like to say to Americans who haven’t changed the channel. O’Malley is surprised. |
| There are so many issues that we haven’t even broached tonight. We have not fully discussed immigration reform, or immigration detention camps. We haven’t discussed debt-ridden non-state Puerto Rican. We haven’t discussed the chaos of Honduras or El Salvador. | There are so many issues that we haven’t even broached tonight. We have not fully discussed immigration reform, or immigration detention camps. We haven’t discussed debt-ridden non-state Puerto Rican. We haven’t discussed the chaos of Honduras or El Salvador. |
| He spins it into a Independence-Day-style speech about the future of a prosperous America, but not that many people applaud. Clinton’s turn. | He spins it into a Independence-Day-style speech about the future of a prosperous America, but not that many people applaud. Clinton’s turn. |
| She says that she’s angry about the lead-poisoning crisis in Flint, Michigan, and especially enraged about the Republican governor of that state. | She says that she’s angry about the lead-poisoning crisis in Flint, Michigan, and especially enraged about the Republican governor of that state. |
| If the kids in the rich suburb of Detroit had been drinking contaminated water and been bathing in it, there would’ve been something done about it. … I want to be a president who takes care of the big problems and the problems that are affecting our people every day. | If the kids in the rich suburb of Detroit had been drinking contaminated water and been bathing in it, there would’ve been something done about it. … I want to be a president who takes care of the big problems and the problems that are affecting our people every day. |
| Sanders says that Clinton’s right – and that he wants that governor to resign – but that we’ve got to get rid of Super Pacs and the influence of billionaires because “the government of the United States of America belongs to all of us and not just a handful of wealthy contributors”. | Sanders says that Clinton’s right – and that he wants that governor to resign – but that we’ve got to get rid of Super Pacs and the influence of billionaires because “the government of the United States of America belongs to all of us and not just a handful of wealthy contributors”. |
| 3.48am GMT | 3.48am GMT |
| 03:48 | 03:48 |
| Megan Carpentier | Megan Carpentier |
| From Guardian US opinion editor Megan Carpentier: | From Guardian US opinion editor Megan Carpentier: |
| Every debate now, Hillary Clinton must entertain a question about what Bill Clinton will do at the White House. Last time, she had to discuss his role in picking china patterns. This time, she was asked whether her husband would have a real policy role at the White House “or a kitchen table role”. | Every debate now, Hillary Clinton must entertain a question about what Bill Clinton will do at the White House. Last time, she had to discuss his role in picking china patterns. This time, she was asked whether her husband would have a real policy role at the White House “or a kitchen table role”. |
| Notably, you know who had a real policy role in her spouse’s administration? Hillary Clinton, when she led the policy fight on the health care debate. | Notably, you know who had a real policy role in her spouse’s administration? Hillary Clinton, when she led the policy fight on the health care debate. |
| 3.46am GMT | 3.46am GMT |
| 03:46 | 03:46 |
| Andrea Mitchell asks Sanders about former president Bill Clinton’s infidelity to his wife, something raised repeatedly by Republican candidate Donald Trump. Sanders says he’s sick of this kind of thing … but also says that he thinks her husband’s behavior was “deplorable”. | Andrea Mitchell asks Sanders about former president Bill Clinton’s infidelity to his wife, something raised repeatedly by Republican candidate Donald Trump. Sanders says he’s sick of this kind of thing … but also says that he thinks her husband’s behavior was “deplorable”. |
| “This question annoys me,” he says. “I mean this seriously. Yes, his behavior was deplorable. I want to debate secretary Clinton and governor O’Malley on the issues facing the American people.” | “This question annoys me,” he says. “I mean this seriously. Yes, his behavior was deplorable. I want to debate secretary Clinton and governor O’Malley on the issues facing the American people.” |
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| at 3.49am GMT | at 3.49am GMT |
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| Jeb Lund | Jeb Lund |
| From Guardian US columnist Jeb Lund: | From Guardian US columnist Jeb Lund: |
| I’m not sure that Martin O’Malley’s best bit this debate was to shoulder his way to the front for 30 seconds of speaking time to introduce a metaphor in which he likens Muslim-Americans to white blood cells. Look, no matter how flattering you mean it to be, and no matter how benevolent and symbiotic they are, don’t make people think of minorities as things in the blood, ok? | I’m not sure that Martin O’Malley’s best bit this debate was to shoulder his way to the front for 30 seconds of speaking time to introduce a metaphor in which he likens Muslim-Americans to white blood cells. Look, no matter how flattering you mean it to be, and no matter how benevolent and symbiotic they are, don’t make people think of minorities as things in the blood, ok? |
| 3.41am GMT | 3.41am GMT |
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| “Lone wolf” terrorism. What do we do? | “Lone wolf” terrorism. What do we do? |
| Clinton says she was pretty pleased that Obama administration officials went out to Silicon Valley last wee to schmooze with tech types over security/privacy issues. | Clinton says she was pretty pleased that Obama administration officials went out to Silicon Valley last wee to schmooze with tech types over security/privacy issues. |
| We need better intelligence cooperation. We need to be sure we’re getting the best intelligecne that we can from friend and allies around the world. | We need better intelligence cooperation. We need to be sure we’re getting the best intelligecne that we can from friend and allies around the world. |
| Then she says Muslim Americans are “our best line of defense”. “It is not only shameful it is dangerous from the kinds of comments you’re hearing from the Republican side.” | Then she says Muslim Americans are “our best line of defense”. “It is not only shameful it is dangerous from the kinds of comments you’re hearing from the Republican side.” |
| Martin O’Malley, who pleads a little desperately for 30 seconds to respond, makes an extended bodily-bacteria-biosphere metaphor when he finally gets the chance. An exasperated Lester Holt insists that he’s got to move along. | Martin O’Malley, who pleads a little desperately for 30 seconds to respond, makes an extended bodily-bacteria-biosphere metaphor when he finally gets the chance. An exasperated Lester Holt insists that he’s got to move along. |
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| Clinton gets a question about Russia. Would she give another “reset” button to Vladimir Putin (this time presumably with the right Russian word, rather than the “overcharge” button she handed the Kremlin last time)? | Clinton gets a question about Russia. Would she give another “reset” button to Vladimir Putin (this time presumably with the right Russian word, rather than the “overcharge” button she handed the Kremlin last time)? |
| It depends on what I got for it. We got a new start treaty, to reduce nuclear weapons between the United States and Russia. We got permission to resupply our troops in Afghanistan by traveling across Russia. We got Russia to sign on to our sanctions against Iran. | It depends on what I got for it. We got a new start treaty, to reduce nuclear weapons between the United States and Russia. We got permission to resupply our troops in Afghanistan by traveling across Russia. We got Russia to sign on to our sanctions against Iran. |
| She mentions that when he reassumed the presidency, Putin accused Clinton of fomenting dissent. So what about her relationship with that guy, anyway? | She mentions that when he reassumed the presidency, Putin accused Clinton of fomenting dissent. So what about her relationship with that guy, anyway? |
| Clinton laughs. | Clinton laughs. |
| It’s interesting, it’s one I think about respect. We’ve had some very tough dealings with one another. I know that he’s someone you have to continually stand up to, because like many bullies he is somebody who will take as much as he possibly can unless you do. | It’s interesting, it’s one I think about respect. We’ve had some very tough dealings with one another. I know that he’s someone you have to continually stand up to, because like many bullies he is somebody who will take as much as he possibly can unless you do. |
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| at 3.38am GMT | at 3.38am GMT |
| 3.29am GMT | 3.29am GMT |
| 03:29 | 03:29 |
| Mitchell asks whether Barack Obama was right not to act on his “red line” vow regarding Syria’s Bashar al-Assad and the use of chemical weapons. | Mitchell asks whether Barack Obama was right not to act on his “red line” vow regarding Syria’s Bashar al-Assad and the use of chemical weapons. |
| Clinton says that Russia-brokered deal to get chemical weapons away from Assad was an important “opportunity to build on”. | Clinton says that Russia-brokered deal to get chemical weapons away from Assad was an important “opportunity to build on”. |
| “We were deeply worried about Assad’s forces using chemical weapons,” she says, particularly how they might end up used on American allies (or at least pseudo-partners). She names Jordan, Israel and Lebanon. | “We were deeply worried about Assad’s forces using chemical weapons,” she says, particularly how they might end up used on American allies (or at least pseudo-partners). She names Jordan, Israel and Lebanon. |
| “If there is any blame to be spread around it it starts with the prime minister of Iraq” – she means but does not name Nouri al-Maliki, who ran the country in the aftermath of the Iraq occupation. Then she blames Assad, who pretty much only Vladimir Putin and a handful of others have refused to blame for the horrors of the Syrian civil war. | “If there is any blame to be spread around it it starts with the prime minister of Iraq” – she means but does not name Nouri al-Maliki, who ran the country in the aftermath of the Iraq occupation. Then she blames Assad, who pretty much only Vladimir Putin and a handful of others have refused to blame for the horrors of the Syrian civil war. |
| Sanders says he mostly agrees with Clinton, though he’s more wary about intervention still. | Sanders says he mostly agrees with Clinton, though he’s more wary about intervention still. |
| 3.27am GMT | 3.27am GMT |
| 03:27 | 03:27 |
| Richard Wolffe | Richard Wolffe |
| From Guardian US columnist Richard Wolffe | From Guardian US columnist Richard Wolffe |
| Isn’t it ironic (like rain on your wedding day*) that Hillary Clinton – the former secretary of state – could not fully embrace President Obama’s biggest diplomatic victory with Iran’s dismantling of its nuclear program. She happily hugged his position on healthcare reform and Wall St regulation. But on Iran, as well as Syria, Clinton could only hedge on the Iran deal and talk about the need to do more against Isis. | Isn’t it ironic (like rain on your wedding day*) that Hillary Clinton – the former secretary of state – could not fully embrace President Obama’s biggest diplomatic victory with Iran’s dismantling of its nuclear program. She happily hugged his position on healthcare reform and Wall St regulation. But on Iran, as well as Syria, Clinton could only hedge on the Iran deal and talk about the need to do more against Isis. |
| You could be forgiven for thinking that Clinton was trying to back away from the foreign policy she so happily represented at the State Department. | You could be forgiven for thinking that Clinton was trying to back away from the foreign policy she so happily represented at the State Department. |
| [* This is a joke. The author and his editor enjoy the music of Alanis Morissette – Guardian Weekend’s new advice columnist, by the way – and making fun of that one line. We contain multitudes. Please refrain from emailing us that rain on a wedding day isn’t actually ironic. We know.] | [* This is a joke. The author and his editor enjoy the music of Alanis Morissette – Guardian Weekend’s new advice columnist, by the way – and making fun of that one line. We contain multitudes. Please refrain from emailing us that rain on a wedding day isn’t actually ironic. We know.] |
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| 3.24am GMT | 3.24am GMT |
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| Did Hillary Clinton’s foreign policy facilitate the rise of terrorist groups, such as Isis, in Syria and Iraq? | Did Hillary Clinton’s foreign policy facilitate the rise of terrorist groups, such as Isis, in Syria and Iraq? |
| Sanders: Not quite. “I think the vacuum was crated by the disastrous war in Iraq, which I vigorously opposed.” President Obama made a promise … I’m going to do my best to bring American troops home, and I supported what he did. Listen, you’ve got extremely wealthy nations there – he names Qatar and Saudi Arabia. “They’ve got to start putting in some skin in the game, and not just asking the United States to do it.” | Sanders: Not quite. “I think the vacuum was crated by the disastrous war in Iraq, which I vigorously opposed.” President Obama made a promise … I’m going to do my best to bring American troops home, and I supported what he did. Listen, you’ve got extremely wealthy nations there – he names Qatar and Saudi Arabia. “They’ve got to start putting in some skin in the game, and not just asking the United States to do it.” |