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Turnbull seeks advice on whether Stuart Robert breached ministerial standards – politics live Turnbull seeks advice on whether Stuart Robert breached ministerial standards – politics live
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Good night and good luckGood night and good luck
I think that will do us for today. Over the course of the afternoon I’ve been reading up a bit on Paul Marks (Stuart Robert’s friend), who (as my colleague Daniel Hurst reports, donated $340,000 to the Liberal party in 2014-15.) What an interesting character he is.I think that will do us for today. Over the course of the afternoon I’ve been reading up a bit on Paul Marks (Stuart Robert’s friend), who (as my colleague Daniel Hurst reports, donated $340,000 to the Liberal party in 2014-15.) What an interesting character he is.
Let’s part with a summary.Let’s part with a summary.
I’ll be back for Tuesday. I do hope you’ll join us then.I’ll be back for Tuesday. I do hope you’ll join us then.
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Ben DohertyBen Doherty
Estimates has also looked at the situation on Christmas Island, where the death of Iranian refugee Fazel Chegeni - re-detained under controversial circumstances and over the serious and repeated concerns of several senior public servants - sparked a riot in the centre.Estimates has also looked at the situation on Christmas Island, where the death of Iranian refugee Fazel Chegeni - re-detained under controversial circumstances and over the serious and repeated concerns of several senior public servants - sparked a riot in the centre.
Chegeni, who had been tortured in prison in Iran and had, doctors say, “exhausted his capacity to cope” in detention, escaped from the Christmas Island detention overnight on Friday, November 6. His body was found in bushland two days later.Chegeni, who had been tortured in prison in Iran and had, doctors say, “exhausted his capacity to cope” in detention, escaped from the Christmas Island detention overnight on Friday, November 6. His body was found in bushland two days later.
Following his death, a riot in the centre caused about $10m damage.Australian Border Force Commissioner Roman Quaedvlieg refused to tell estimates how it was that Fazel Chegeni escaped from the Christmas Island detention centre.He would say only that “human fault” was part of the failure that allowed Chegeni to escape. “No-one” he pointed out, has managed to escape from the island.Following his death, a riot in the centre caused about $10m damage.Australian Border Force Commissioner Roman Quaedvlieg refused to tell estimates how it was that Fazel Chegeni escaped from the Christmas Island detention centre.He would say only that “human fault” was part of the failure that allowed Chegeni to escape. “No-one” he pointed out, has managed to escape from the island.
5.55am GMT5.55am GMT
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Ben DohertyBen Doherty
Estimates is looking again at conditions on Nauru: a quick update.Estimates is looking again at conditions on Nauru: a quick update.
Since October (the last estimates hearing) there have been zero reported cases of sexual assaults or harassment within the detention centre itself. In the community on Nauru, there have been four alleged cases of sexual assault or harassment, committed against three women and one man. There has also been one allegation of sexual assault/harassment committed against a child.Since October (the last estimates hearing) there have been zero reported cases of sexual assaults or harassment within the detention centre itself. In the community on Nauru, there have been four alleged cases of sexual assault or harassment, committed against three women and one man. There has also been one allegation of sexual assault/harassment committed against a child.
5.49am GMT5.49am GMT
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A couple of happy snaps from the prime minister’s office this afternoon, greeting the new human rights envoy.A couple of happy snaps from the prime minister’s office this afternoon, greeting the new human rights envoy.
It is twinkly fabulous how politics looks after its own, isn’t it?It is twinkly fabulous how politics looks after its own, isn’t it?
Yes, that was sarcasm.Yes, that was sarcasm.
5.12am GMT5.12am GMT
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Ruddock has told reporters he will commence his new duties more or less immediately, but he won’t claim his salary for the new role until he quits politics. The constitution forbids it.Ruddock has told reporters he will commence his new duties more or less immediately, but he won’t claim his salary for the new role until he quits politics. The constitution forbids it.
4.56am GMT4.56am GMT
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No regrets. Just thought I’d repeat that.No regrets. Just thought I’d repeat that.
4.53am GMT4.53am GMT
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Ruddock is currently citing his various career highlights. Sky News host David Speers points out the list doesn’t seem to include the contribution he is probably most famous for, the Pacific Solution in the Howard era. Any regrets about that, Speers wonders? No regrets, Ruddock says.Ruddock is currently citing his various career highlights. Sky News host David Speers points out the list doesn’t seem to include the contribution he is probably most famous for, the Pacific Solution in the Howard era. Any regrets about that, Speers wonders? No regrets, Ruddock says.
4.47am GMT4.47am GMT
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From Ruddock’s own statement.From Ruddock’s own statement.
The role will, of necessity, require periods of travel abroad from now until the time of the next federal election. In order for me to devote myself to this task fully I cannot be active in a national political campaign and give effective time to my own re-election. For these reasons I have come to the view that I should not seek re-endorsement for the seat of Berowra. I am humbled to have enjoyed such strong support for my involvement in federal politics for over 42 years.The role will, of necessity, require periods of travel abroad from now until the time of the next federal election. In order for me to devote myself to this task fully I cannot be active in a national political campaign and give effective time to my own re-election. For these reasons I have come to the view that I should not seek re-endorsement for the seat of Berowra. I am humbled to have enjoyed such strong support for my involvement in federal politics for over 42 years.
He’s on Sky News now, speaking about his passion for human rights.He’s on Sky News now, speaking about his passion for human rights.
Q: This had nothing to do with your preselection being at risk?Q: This had nothing to do with your preselection being at risk?
Philip Ruddock:Philip Ruddock:
No.No.
4.44am GMT4.44am GMT
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Ruddock, human rights warrior, not recontestingRuddock, human rights warrior, not recontesting
Finally now a minute to tell you that the government has appointed Philip Ruddock – the long serving Liberal MP – as special envoy for Human Rights. Doubtless the internet has been exploding about this development for at least an hour, which is when I first saw the reports Ruddock was moving on out.Finally now a minute to tell you that the government has appointed Philip Ruddock – the long serving Liberal MP – as special envoy for Human Rights. Doubtless the internet has been exploding about this development for at least an hour, which is when I first saw the reports Ruddock was moving on out.
Sorry. One woman, one brain, two ears, two hands.Sorry. One woman, one brain, two ears, two hands.
The foreign minister, Julie Bishop:The foreign minister, Julie Bishop:
Australia has a strong record of promoting and protecting human rights, at home and around the world. As a distinguished member of the Australian parliament for over four decades, the current chair of the parliamentary joint committee on human rights, and a longstanding member of Amnesty International, Mr Ruddock is well-qualified to advocate and represent Australia’s human rights views and record.Australia has a strong record of promoting and protecting human rights, at home and around the world. As a distinguished member of the Australian parliament for over four decades, the current chair of the parliamentary joint committee on human rights, and a longstanding member of Amnesty International, Mr Ruddock is well-qualified to advocate and represent Australia’s human rights views and record.
As Special Envoy, Mr Ruddock will focus on advancing Australia’s human rights priorities of good governance, freedom of expression, gender equality, the rights of indigenous peoples, and national human rights institutions. Mr Ruddock will actively in promote Australia’s candidacy for membership of the Human Rights Council (HRC) for the 2018-20 term. He will represent Australia at international human rights events and advocate our HRC candidacy in selected countries.As Special Envoy, Mr Ruddock will focus on advancing Australia’s human rights priorities of good governance, freedom of expression, gender equality, the rights of indigenous peoples, and national human rights institutions. Mr Ruddock will actively in promote Australia’s candidacy for membership of the Human Rights Council (HRC) for the 2018-20 term. He will represent Australia at international human rights events and advocate our HRC candidacy in selected countries.
Mr Ruddock’s role will be consistent with the practice of past governments in approving Special Envoys to support our international campaigns, for example the United Nations Security Council bid.Mr Ruddock’s role will be consistent with the practice of past governments in approving Special Envoys to support our international campaigns, for example the United Nations Security Council bid.
He will also promote our broader human rights agenda, including global abolition of the death penalty, for which he has worked tirelessly over many years.He will also promote our broader human rights agenda, including global abolition of the death penalty, for which he has worked tirelessly over many years.
Mr Ruddock will be Australia’s first Special Envoy for Human Rights, reflecting the Government’s commitment to further strengthening Australia’s contribution to advancing human rights.Mr Ruddock will be Australia’s first Special Envoy for Human Rights, reflecting the Government’s commitment to further strengthening Australia’s contribution to advancing human rights.
(In our office, we can’t help wondering – is this the job George Brandis attempted to offer Gillian Triggs in all the unpleasantness .. remember that?)(In our office, we can’t help wondering – is this the job George Brandis attempted to offer Gillian Triggs in all the unpleasantness .. remember that?)
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Given it’s been a crowded day, let’s step through the Stuart Robert story carefully.Given it’s been a crowded day, let’s step through the Stuart Robert story carefully.
What we know:What we know:
What this all means:What this all means:
Obviously we all need to be very careful not to prejudge this issue before key facts are known. I won’t be prejudging in advance of evidence and explanation.Obviously we all need to be very careful not to prejudge this issue before key facts are known. I won’t be prejudging in advance of evidence and explanation.
But it does draw attention to a problem I bang on about very frequently in the Australian political system: the close relationship between parliamentarians and political donors. I’ve got a first principles question: what on earth was a minister doing on “holidays” in China with a key political donor and appearing at a corporate function? Seriously, what gives?But it does draw attention to a problem I bang on about very frequently in the Australian political system: the close relationship between parliamentarians and political donors. I’ve got a first principles question: what on earth was a minister doing on “holidays” in China with a key political donor and appearing at a corporate function? Seriously, what gives?
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4.12am GMT4.12am GMT
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The prime minister has wrapped question time. I’ll be back shortly to walk you through the Robert developments just in case anything was a bit garbled in the real time reportage.The prime minister has wrapped question time. I’ll be back shortly to walk you through the Robert developments just in case anything was a bit garbled in the real time reportage.
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04:09
Bill Shorten persists with this issue. Will the prime minister make inquiries about the minister’s entry on his visa form and report back to the House as soon as possible?
If this line of inquiry seems a bit off piste it isn’t: obviously one cannot lie on a visa form. Not without getting yourself into serious trouble.
Malcolm Turnbull:
I deal with these matters very thoroughly and very seriously and in accordance with the code.
That’s what will be done.
4.06am GMT
04:06
Speaker Smith has binned the question. Here’s his reasoning:
I’ve obviously given this careful consideration and examined the practice carefully and for anyone who examines the practice carefully on page 555, and I just happen to have it with me, they will see that it says: “A minister may not be asked about his or her questions in a former ministerial role. However, in a case when a minister has issued a statement referring to early responsibilities a question relating to the statement was permitted”.
There has been one case of that in 2006. Beyond that, questions have not been allowed.
That’s certainly the practice and the history, I can assure the House from the best of my research. Whilst I want to see questions asked and answered if this question had been asked some time ago when the minister had different responsibilities, it would clearly be in order. But the person, the minister responsible for the code of conduct is the prime minister and it’s the PM that makes the determination on whether people have complied with it.
So having heard that patiently, and I apologise for detaining the House for so long, I’m not going to allow that question and we will move to the next question.
(House practice versus the ministerial code, essentially.)
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Just so readers know, the current statement of ministerial standards reads:
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Labor persists with Stuart Robert.
Q: My question is to the minister for veterans’ affairs and goes to whether he has complied with the prime minister’s statement of ministerial standards. On the official Chinese visa application form for his secret trip to China, what reason did the minister declare was the purpose for his visit? Official visit, tourism, non-business visit, business and trade or work?
Speaker Smith is intervening now. These questions are problematic, he says.
Standing orders make it very clear that the ministers can only be asked questions about matters for which they are responsible. The practice also makes it very clear that ministers can’t be asked questions about former ministerial responsibilities they have had. It makes that very clear indeed.
Manager of opposition business, Tony Burke.
It’s rare, it happens a few times each year, but it’s rare we have a situation where there is a question as to whether or not a Minister has been in breach of the code. Parliament must be able to examine that and there is no way of examining that without asking questions of the minister themselves. Otherwise we would be in the absurd situation of only being allowed to ask the prime minister information that could only be known by the minister themselves.
Manager of government business, Christopher Pyne.
Mr Speaker, given the minister was travelling privately to China at the time, this question is quite inappropriate. If the opposition want to ask the media to ask the member the question and he chooses to answer it, that’s another matter.
Burke is standing his ground, as is Pyne.
3.52am GMT
03:52
I have confidence in Stuart Robert, except ... perhaps not ... oops
Labor is moving on to Stuart Robert. Does the prime minister have confidence in the minister for human services? This concerns the trip to China.
Malcolm Turnbull:
I can confirm that I have confidence in all of my ministers, including the minister for human services.
But.
In relation to those media reports, I can confirm that I have asked the secretary of my department for advice in relation to the statement of ministerial standards.
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3.47am GMT
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What is point? What is life? What is love?
3.45am GMT
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The agriculture minister speaks fondly of wine and cows.
Then Plibersek is back.
Q: Mr Speaker. I have a question for the prime minister. On the weekend Peter Hartcher asked in the Sydney Morning Herald: “Is the Turnbull government shaping up as the Abbott government with a more personable salesman? What is the point of Malcolm Turnbull PM?”
The prime minister chortles.
I’m glad that the... Honourable Member for Sydney is able to find a question ..
3.41am GMT
03:41
Labor’s deputy leader, Tanya Plibersek.
Q: My question is to the prime minister. When the PM rolled the Member for Warringah ...
Speaker Smith:
The member for Sydney will resume her seat. I’m going to give the member for Sydney an opportunity to rephrase the start of that question.
The member for Sydney.
Tanya Plibersek:
Q: Thank you Mr Speaker. My question is to the prime minister. When the PM deposed the Member for Warringah he said it was because the former prime minister failed to provide economic leadership. But Jennifer Hewitt writes in today’s Australian Financial Review: “Turnbull himself now risks looking like a political leader without the courage of his convictions or worse no convictions at all.” Is this the kind of leadership the PM was speaking about?
Plibersek is gonged off.
3.36am GMT
03:36
Bill Shorten, who earlier today tried an unfortunate bush metaphor, is now trying a waffle.
Q: Reports suggest that government ministers are backing away from plans to increase the price of everything with a 15% GST. PM, today is the day to stop the waffle and come clean with the Australian people. Will the prime minister introduce a 15% GST?
First, derision.
The leader of the opposition invites me to rule out any changes to the GST. And, to be fair, there is something to be said for doing so because it would mean the green grocery aisles of Australia would be safe from the leader of the opposition. Thousands of lettuces would no longer have the leader of the opposition flinging himself in front of any would-be charges on them.
Then, the MalSplain®.
Let me say something about the GST.
The prime minister proceeds to explain the relative merits of switches in the tax mix while those opposite laugh at him at theatrical volume.
Malcolm Turnbull:
As I have said, we are not, the government is not yet persuaded that in the context of Australia today, such a tax mix switch would give an adequate growth, adequate improvement in economic activity. But those are the trade-offs.
Honourable Members opposite can scoff as much as they like.
Those are the trade-offs. It’s a question of balancing the increase on GST on the one hand and an offsetting reduction in income tax on the other. And the extent to which that is fair, that gives additional impetus to economic growth, depends on the design. There is a considerable amount of complexity there. I believe that all Australians expect this government to approach this issue not with slogans or with scare campaigns, but with careful analysis.
3.29am GMT
03:29
Scott Morrison, winding up on a dixer on Labor’s general intellectual deficiencies.
Now the contrast is clear. Those opposite, their plan is to tax and spend and borrow, Mr Speaker. Our plan is to ensure that we back Australians in who are working, saving and investing.
Bowen, back.
Q: My question is to the treasurer. What is the impact of the rate of GST on economic growth, what would be the impact on economic growth of increasing the GST?
Morrison isn’t impressed with the question.
His riposte? Welfare, it’s wicked.
Scott Morrison:
We have a deep empathy for people in this country who are working every day to pay for our expanding welfare system. We think we need to be thinking about their interests and trying to relieve their burden and we will leave no stone unturned to relieve that burden for them. Those opposite have no empathy for those who are working every day to pay for our burgeoning welfare system which they ramped up.
(It’s just ever so slightly inconsistent to argue we absolutely must give those strivers money unlike those non-strivers who get money. I know what he means, but just think about the logic sitting behind the Morrison proposition and ask yourself, does the confected actually contrast work?)