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EU referendum: Leaving EU a stride into the light - Duncan Smith EU referendum: Leaving EU a stride into the light - Duncan Smith
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The campaign to leave the EU represents hope over pessimism, said Iain Duncan Smith, as he dismissed suggestions a UK exit would be a "leap into the dark".The campaign to leave the EU represents hope over pessimism, said Iain Duncan Smith, as he dismissed suggestions a UK exit would be a "leap into the dark".
The work and pensions secretary said leaving would be a "stride into the light", enabling the UK to trade freely and control migration.The work and pensions secretary said leaving would be a "stride into the light", enabling the UK to trade freely and control migration.
He accused In campaigners of belittling Britain's strength, as if the UK was "too inconsequential" to cope outside.He accused In campaigners of belittling Britain's strength, as if the UK was "too inconsequential" to cope outside.
David Cameron has said an EU exit would cause uncertainty and economic pain.David Cameron has said an EU exit would cause uncertainty and economic pain.
Labour said the Conservatives were "split down the middle" over the issue while the opposition was "united" in its backing for continued EU membership.Labour said the Conservatives were "split down the middle" over the issue while the opposition was "united" in its backing for continued EU membership.
A referendum on whether the UK should remain in the EU or leave will be held on 23 June.A referendum on whether the UK should remain in the EU or leave will be held on 23 June.
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Analysis: How will a divided government work during the campaign?Analysis: How will a divided government work during the campaign?
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The prime minister has challenged Mr Duncan Smith and other Conservative cabinet ministers campaigning for the UK to leave the EU to spell out their alternative vision and acknowledge such a move would cause real "economic pain". The prime minister has challenged Mr Duncan Smith and other Conservative cabinet ministers campaigning for the UK to leave the EU to spell out their alternative vision.
And Chancellor George Osborne has said so-called Brexit would cause a "profound economic shock" - an argument echoed by other G20 finance ministers on Saturday.And Chancellor George Osborne has said so-called Brexit would cause a "profound economic shock" - an argument echoed by other G20 finance ministers on Saturday.
'Standing alone''Standing alone'
But Mr Duncan Smith dismissed these claims as scare stories, saying Britain was the "greatest country on earth" with the "most brilliant people". But Mr Duncan Smith dismissed these claims as scare stories, saying Britain was the "greatest country on earth", more than capable of prospering outside the EU, which he said was more of a "political project" than a "defined economic entity".
It was, he said, more than capable of prospering outside the EU, which he said was more of a "political project" than a "defined economic entity". He told the Andrew Marr Show: "I am positive about leaving the EU because I believe rather than saying it is a leap in the dark, I think it is a stride into the light. It is about hope versus pessimism and people will vote for that."
He said: "I am positive about leaving the EU because I believe rather than saying it is a leap in the dark, I think it is a stride into the light. It is about hope versus pessimism and people will vote for that." Mr Duncan Smith said the UK had "faced bigger trials than this".
He said the UK had "faced bigger trials than this". "It has stood alone in war but it has also defined trade around the world...Britain is a phenomenal country. It has stood alone and fought for freedom. It has been a global trader, it can again be a global trader.
"It has stood alone in war but it has also defined trade around the world," he told the Andrew Marr Show.
"Britain is a phenomenal country. It has stood alone and fought for freedom. It has been a global trader, it can again be a global trader.
"Why would we have such a low opinion of the British people that we going about talking about a leap in the dark and profound shocks?""Why would we have such a low opinion of the British people that we going about talking about a leap in the dark and profound shocks?"
Asked whether he believed the PM's argument lacked patriotism, he replied: "It is not about personalities but the In Campaign's whole strategy has been about saying 'basically we are too small, too little, inconsequential, we can't do what we want. I don't know why anyone would want to run a country like this". Asked whether he believed the PM's argument lacked patriotism, he replied: "It is not about personalities but the In Campaign's whole strategy has been about saying 'basically we are too small, too little, inconsequential, we can't do what we want. I don't know why anyone would want to run a country like this."
'Deal doable''Deal doable'
While the EU was an important trading partner, he said the level of two-way trade had been exaggerated. If the UK voted to leave the EU, he said, it would be able to negotiate a simpler trade-based relationship enabling it to have "access to the world and to the EU".While the EU was an important trading partner, he said the level of two-way trade had been exaggerated. If the UK voted to leave the EU, he said, it would be able to negotiate a simpler trade-based relationship enabling it to have "access to the world and to the EU".
"We do a deal with the EU. That is a trade deal, it is about access to our markets and access to theirs. Part of our red lines would be about us being able to control our borders as we want…That deal is very doable.""We do a deal with the EU. That is a trade deal, it is about access to our markets and access to theirs. Part of our red lines would be about us being able to control our borders as we want…That deal is very doable."
The former Conservative leader also rejected suggestions that an Out vote could trigger the break up of the UK, with the Scottish government pushing for another independence vote. The former Conservative leader also rejected suggestions that an Out vote could trigger the break up of the UK, saying the idea that it could provoke another independence referendum in Scotland was "absurd".
He said the SNP was "pushing its own agenda" because it would never accept the outcome of the 2014 vote to stay within the UK. Mr Duncan Smith's intervention was welcomed by the Vote Leave campaign group, which tweeted: "All the government has is project fear - we will be explaining to people project hope, how Britain and EU will be better after we take control."
Speaking on Andrew Marr, Labour's Angela Eagle said the Conservatives were in "internal meltdown" over the issue of Europe and accused eurosceptics of wanting to turn the clock back to the 1970s and basing economic strategy on trade links with the Commonwealth. But pro-EU campaign group, Britain Stronger in Europe, said Mr Duncan Smith had failed to explain how the UK could retain access to the European single market while not upholding principles of freedom of movement.
She said it "would be Labour votes" which keeps the UK in the EU, should this happen, and rejected suggestions that Jeremy Corbyn was lukewarm in his support for the EU. 'Chaotic'
"We are absolutely united in our determination that we get the right decision and stay within the EU," she said. And small business minister Anna Soubry, who is campaigning to stay in the EU, said leaving would be "chaotic" and stall a much-needed process of economic reform.
"If people vote to stay in, we will remain within a reformed EU with a wind of change I believe is blowing right across it," she told Radio 5 live's Pienaar's Politics.
"Colleagues from other countries are really talking about the need to advance the programme of deregulation, fewer directives, that we have led."
Labour's Angela Eagle accused eurosceptics of wanting to turn the clock back to the 1970s and focusing trade strategy on the rest of the Commonwealth.
"Their attention is elsewhere so we have to have to make the best of where we are," she told Marr.
"I believe that we should be confident about our values and we can project our values if we work through international organisations and the EU is one such organisation.""I believe that we should be confident about our values and we can project our values if we work through international organisations and the EU is one such organisation."
She claimed it "would be Labour votes" which keeps the UK in the EU and the party was "absolutely united in our determination that we get the right decision".