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1.19am GMT
01:19
John Stoehr
Donald Trump, whose candidate forum interview is currently airing, told the Washington Post’s editorial board on Monday that he would be a hawkish president who leaves a light footprint.
You don’t have to be a policy wonk to know he wants two things that don’t go together. The more the media focuses on Trump’s foreign policy, the more vulnerable he is going to appear, because the bottom line – repeated references to his “hands” aside – is that he tends to sound like Barack Obama. “We’re spending trillions of dollars in the Middle East. You know where we are now? We’re further back than we were 15 years ago. We are in such bad shape. The Middle East is a disaster for us,” Trump told Wolf Blitzer. “And in the meantime our country is crumbling, we have a country, the roads are no good. “Here’s what Obama said in 2011 (bolding mine):
We are a nation whose strength abroad has been anchored in opportunity for our citizens at home. Over the last decade, we have spent a trillion dollars on war, at a time of rising debt and hard economic times. Now, we must invest in America’s greatest resource – our people. We must unleash innovation that creates new jobs and industry, while living within our means. We must rebuild our infrastructure ... America, it is time to focus on nation building here at home.
The Republican frontrunner is not sounding so Republican, despite his repeated indictments of the Obama presidency.
1.17am GMT
01:17
Donald Trump says 1,237-delegate requirement is "a little unfair"
Scott Bixby
“Let’s say you show up in Cleveland at the Republican convention, and don’t have that the magic number of 1,237 which is the number you need to be guaranteed on the first ballot if you’re going to be the Republican - let’s say you’re 20 or 100 short,” Wolf Blitzer floated. “The chairman of the Republican Party, Reince Priebus, he says that that’s not the rules, that they would have to go along with the rules. What would happen if you’re just short?”
Trump complained, saying that the 1,237-delegate required to win the presidential nomination is “a little unfair, because I have been competing against -- we started with over 17 people. Then we go down to 15, and then 12, and 11 and 10. And I had many, many people that I’m competing with.”
“When you talk about the majority plus one, it’s a very unfair situation because we had so many people running for office, so one would get 2 percent, one would get 4 percent, one would - and I was always in the lead,” Trump said. “I mean, just about from the beginning I’ve been leading. But it’s very unfair when I have all of these people running, it’s not like I’m running against two people or three people, Hillary is running against one person. So I think that’s very unfair.”
“Mathematically, it’s unfair,” Trump said again. “It’s almost impossible to believe that I should do that, that I would be able to do it. I think I’ll be able to do it. But I will say this: If I was at 1,190, so I’m a little bit off, and I have millions of votes more than anybody else - because right now I have 2 million votes more than anybody else running for office, by a lot. It’s not even close.”
“I have millions of votes more than anybody else that’s running - millions of votes ... so mathematically it’s unfair.”
1.12am GMT
01:12
Donald Trump: "I am the least racist person you’ll ever meet"
Scott Bixby
“Why do you think these white supremacists, these various white supremacists out there are supporting your campaign?” Wolf Blitzer asked Donald Trump.
“I don’t know, because I am the least racist person you’ll ever meet, so I don’t know,” Trump said. “And I don’t know that they really are. I mean, you’re telling me that, so I don’t know...”
Blitzer noted that the Anti-Defamation League, an organization working against anti-Semitism, put out a list of white supremacists and neo-Nazis who are working for and supporting Trump’s campaign.
“I just don’t know. I mean, you are telling me this, but I don’t know why. I am certainly the least racist person,” Trump insisted. “I don’t want their support, I don’t want their support, I don’t need their support.”
1.09am GMT
01:09
Scott Bixby
Wolf Blitzer also played a clip from Clinton’s speech during the Aipac conference today in which she implicitly compared Donald Trump’s candidacy to that of Adolf Hitler. “Encouraging violence, playing coy with white supremacists, calling for 12 million immigrants to be rounded up and deported, demanding we turn away refugees because of their religion and proposing a ban on all Muslims entering the United States - if you see bigotry, oppose it. If you see violence condemn it. If you see a bully, stand up to him.”
Trump ignored the substance of Clinton’s argument.
“I mean, look, we have to be vigilant,” Trump said. “Our country is under siege. We’re under attack. We’re under attack in virtually every way: Our economy is falling apart; we’re sitting on a big fat bubble; our trade deals are no good; our health care is no good; our security is no good.
“Look what happens in our country! Our security is no good. People are pouring across the border. People that are convicted criminals are pouring across the border. We have to be vigilant, we have to be smart or we’re not going to have a country any longer.”
1.06am GMT
01:06
Scott Bixby
Donald Trump, on what Palestinians could do for “neutrality”
“Well, let me tell you - well, the one thing they have to do is they have to end terror, okay? They have to stop with the terror because what they’re doing with the missiles and with the stabbings and with all of the other things that they do, it’s horrible and they’ve got to - it’s got to end.”
“Now, I have many, many friends from Israel and Jewish friends. Everybody wants to see peace. It seems to me the all-time Olympics in peace in a deal. Can you make that deal between Israel and the Palestinians? I think the answer is, maybe. I never say that.”
“Trom the time they’re born, they’re educated a certain way,” Trump said, of Palestinians. “It’s got to change. There’s a bad mindset going on, Wolf.”
1.05am GMT
01:05
Scott Bixby
After playing a clip from Hillary Clinton’s speech in front of Aipac this morning, in which she said “who says he’s neutral on Monday, pro-Israel on Tuesday, and who knows what on Wednesday, because everything’s negotiable,” Trump said Clinton “doesn’t know me.”
“I have the steadiest hands - look at these hands,” Trump said. “I have the steadiest hands - and far steadier than hers. Look where she got us. I mean, look at Libya, look at the migration, look at Benghazi! I mean here’s a woman that’s talk. She’s just - you know, she’s just reading it off a teleprompter. All she does - believe me, they write that for her. Look at the job, probably in history - although I think John Kerry may even be worse, I’m not sure after the Iran deal. But look at what she’s done.”
On whether he would, as promised, be neutral on issues relating to Israel, Trump said “I would love to be neutral if it’s possible.”
“It’s probably not possible, because there’s so much hatred,” Trump continued. “There’s so much going on. I am very pro-Israel. I’ve always been pro-Israel. I have many awards from Israel, many awards. I’ve contributed a lot of money to Israel. There’s nobody more pro-Israel than I am. We have to protect Israel. Israel is so important to us.”
1.01am GMT
01:01
Donald Trump joins Wolf Blitzer on CNN town hall
Scott Bixby
On the heels of his first scripted speech since launching his presidential campaign, billionaire Republican frontrunner Donald Trump was pressed by CNN anchor Wolf Blitzer about international relations and the role of the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (Nato).
“This is your first day in Washington in quite a while,” Blitzer said. “Do you think the United States needs to rethink US involvement in Nato?”
“Yes, because it’s costing us too much money, and frankly, they have to put up more money,” Trump said. “They’re going to have to put some up also. We’re paying disproportionately, it’s too much, and frankly, it’s a different world than it was when we originally conceived of the idea and everybody got together.
“But we’re taking care of, as an example, the Ukraine,” Trump continued. “I mean, the countries over there don’t seem to be so interested. We’re the ones taking the brunt of it. So I think we have to reconsider - keep Nato but maybe we have to pay a lot less toward the Nato itself.”
When asked whether this position would alienate American allies, Trump was unconcerned. “Well, they might not be happy, but you know, they have to help us also. It has to be - we are paying disproportionately, and very importantly, if you use Ukraine as an example, and that’s a great example, the countries surrounding Ukraine, I mean, they don’t seem to care as much about it as we do.”
1.00am GMT
01:00
Ben Jacobs
In a pre-taped interview with Blitzer for the CNN town hall, billionaire Republican frontrunner Donald Trump flip-flopped yet again on whether to deploy ground troops to fight Isis in the Middle East, reports the Guardian’s Ben Jacobs. In the last Republican debate in Miami, Trump said “I would listen to the generals, but I’m hearing numbers of 20,000 to 30,000. We have to knock them out fast.”
In the interview with Blitzer, though, Trump insisted he wouldn’t not send ground troops. “However I wouldn’t deploy 20,000. I’d get people from that part of the world to put up the troops, and I’d certainly give them air power and air support and some military support,” said the frontrunner. Trump insisted “I would never ever put up 20,000 or 30,000.”
Donald Trump doubled down on his calls for the US to be less involved in Nato. He told the Washington Post “I think Nato as a concept is good, but it is not as good as it was when it first evolved” and insisted the United States should play a less significant role in the organization. “We’re paying disproportionately, it’s too much, and frankly, it’s a different world than it was when we originally conceived of the idea and everybody got together,” said Trump. He alleged of the Ukraine, where Russia has invaded and drawn major concern from western and central European allies, “the countries surrounding Ukraine, I mean, they don’t seem to care as much about it as we do.”
The real estate mogul also touched various other foreign policy issues, insisting when it comes to international crises, “I have the steadiest hands” and bragging about once serving as grand marshal of an Israel Day parade when asked about the Middle East.
The Republican frontrunner, facing the possibility of the first contested convention in decades, insisted it did not matter if he didn’t get the 1237 delegates needed to clinch the nomination on the first ballot.
“When you talk about the majority plus one, it’s a very unfair situation because we had so many people running for office,” said Trump. He added, “if I was at 1,190, so I’m a little bit off, and I have millions of votes more than anybody else, because right now I have 2 million votes more than anybody else running for office, by a lot. It’s not even close.” He echoed past comments that “there could very well be riots” if he was denied the nomination but insisted “that happened I’ll have no part in it.”
Trump also defended his Twitter attacks on Fox News personality Megyn Kelly. “Every night, the show, it’s like an infomercial, always negative stuff, always negative stuff, always,” insisted Trump. “Not fair. So I will fight back with Twitter. I will let people know she’s a third rate talent. I will say what I have to say, it’s very simple.”
12.58am GMT
00:58
John Stoehr
Donald Trump has been critical of China’s geopolitics throughout his campaign, but it’s surprising that he’s pretty much the only candidate to harp on this, considering other GOP candidates’ stated views on foreign governments.
For instance, Ted Cruz appears to believe that any state with a record of human rights abuses does not deserve the privilege of doing business with America. As he put it this evening, what President Obama is doing this week in Cuba is pretty much the same thing he did with Iran: alienating our allies and emboldening our enemies.
“What this will do is this will strengthen the repressive regime,” he told Wolf Blitzer. The same sentiment might be said of China, but saying so would alienate the Republican business elites.
12.46am GMT
00:46
“I have zero interest whatsoever in this,” Ted Cruz said of serving as Donald Trump’s vice-presidential campaign mate.
12.44am GMT12.44am GMT
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Scott BixbyScott Bixby
“We’re seeing Republicans uniting against this campaign,” Cruz said, noting that Lindsey Graham, who once compared choosing to support Cruz to being poisoned.“We’re seeing Republicans uniting against this campaign,” Cruz said, noting that Lindsey Graham, who once compared choosing to support Cruz to being poisoned.
After playing a clip of Donald Trump calling him “Lyin’ Ted,” and noting his disapproval among evangelical voters.After playing a clip of Donald Trump calling him “Lyin’ Ted,” and noting his disapproval among evangelical voters.
“Every time Donald gets scared, he begins lashing out,” Cruz said. “I will say this - Donald’s campaign, his entire campaign is built on a lie.”“Every time Donald gets scared, he begins lashing out,” Cruz said. “I will say this - Donald’s campaign, his entire campaign is built on a lie.”
“I understand the people who are supporting Donald - they are frustrated with Washington,” he continued. “But if you’re fed up with Washington, withb the corruption of Washington, then it doesn’t make any sense to support Donald Trump... he is the system.”“I understand the people who are supporting Donald - they are frustrated with Washington,” he continued. “But if you’re fed up with Washington, withb the corruption of Washington, then it doesn’t make any sense to support Donald Trump... he is the system.”
“Donald trump has made billions buying influence in Washington; Hillary Clinton has made millions selling influence in Washington.”“Donald trump has made billions buying influence in Washington; Hillary Clinton has made millions selling influence in Washington.”
12.41am GMT12.41am GMT
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“What Obama’s doing in Cuba is actually very much the same as what he’s doing in Iran,” Cruz said, lambasting Barack Obama for opening up relations with Cuba.“What Obama’s doing in Cuba is actually very much the same as what he’s doing in Iran,” Cruz said, lambasting Barack Obama for opening up relations with Cuba.
“We should be standing up to enemies of America - we shouldn’t be giving billions of dollars to people who hate us,” Cruz said. “What this will do is this will strengthen the repressive regime of the Castros.”“We should be standing up to enemies of America - we shouldn’t be giving billions of dollars to people who hate us,” Cruz said. “What this will do is this will strengthen the repressive regime of the Castros.”
“There is power in standing up and speaking the truth to evil, and what this president does is the opposite,” Cruz concludes.“There is power in standing up and speaking the truth to evil, and what this president does is the opposite,” Cruz concludes.
12.38am GMT12.38am GMT
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Scott BixbyScott Bixby
Frank Gaffney, one of Ted Cruz’s new foreign policy advisors, has said that Barack Obama is a hidden Muslim and that Chris Christie committed an act of treason by hiring a Muslim to a government position - Blitzer asks Cruz whether that’s the kind of person who will be working in a Cruz administration. Frank Gaffney, one of Ted Cruz’s new foreign policy advisors, has said that Barack Obama is a hidden Muslim, that Chris Christie committed an act of treason by hiring a Muslim to a government position, that Saddam Hussein was behind the Oklahoma City bombing and that the Muslim Brotherhood has infiltrated the state department - Blitzer asked Cruz whether that’s the kind of person who will be working in a Cruz administration.
Smiling, Cruz said that “folks in the media get really nervous when you actually call out radical Islamic terrorism.”Smiling, Cruz said that “folks in the media get really nervous when you actually call out radical Islamic terrorism.”
“He’s endured attacks from the left, from the media, because he speaks out against radical Islamic terrorism,” Cruz said. “I don’t know what he said in 2009, I don’t have the full context, I’m not interested in playing the media ‘gotcha’ game.”“He’s endured attacks from the left, from the media, because he speaks out against radical Islamic terrorism,” Cruz said. “I don’t know what he said in 2009, I don’t have the full context, I’m not interested in playing the media ‘gotcha’ game.”
“Defending America means defeating radical Islamic terrorism and defeating Isis,” Cruz said. “I’m actually interested in talking about problems in this country - this is silly.”“Defending America means defeating radical Islamic terrorism and defeating Isis,” Cruz said. “I’m actually interested in talking about problems in this country - this is silly.”
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12.35am GMT12.35am GMT
00:3500:35
Scott BixbyScott Bixby
Ted Cruz dismissed Donald Trump as likely “unaware” of America’s commitment to America’ Nato allies. “I’ll bet you dollars to donuts Donald has no idea about that,” Cruz said.Ted Cruz dismissed Donald Trump as likely “unaware” of America’s commitment to America’ Nato allies. “I’ll bet you dollars to donuts Donald has no idea about that,” Cruz said.
“That is so hopelessly naive, and what Donald Trump has said is that he would unilaterally surrender to Russia and Putin - give Russia a massive foreign policy victory - and abandon Nato,” Cruz said. “When you saw leaders of the world marching with Paris, and singularly absent was America... that reflects Obama’s leading from behind, and Trump’s foreign policy is Obama-Hillary leading from behind.”“That is so hopelessly naive, and what Donald Trump has said is that he would unilaterally surrender to Russia and Putin - give Russia a massive foreign policy victory - and abandon Nato,” Cruz said. “When you saw leaders of the world marching with Paris, and singularly absent was America... that reflects Obama’s leading from behind, and Trump’s foreign policy is Obama-Hillary leading from behind.”
12.34am GMT12.34am GMT
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John StoehrJohn Stoehr
Tonight, John Kasich and Ted Cruz are once again using a national news platform to attempt to beat back the tide of Donald Trump’s candidacy.Tonight, John Kasich and Ted Cruz are once again using a national news platform to attempt to beat back the tide of Donald Trump’s candidacy.
The only thing missing is the supporting role from Fox News showing high-definition graphics of Trump’s flip-flopping. CNN of course would never do that, but it is doing a bang-up job of enabling the co-conspirators to frame their policy views as all things anti-Trumpian.The only thing missing is the supporting role from Fox News showing high-definition graphics of Trump’s flip-flopping. CNN of course would never do that, but it is doing a bang-up job of enabling the co-conspirators to frame their policy views as all things anti-Trumpian.
Next thing you know, someone will admit to liking Cruz.Next thing you know, someone will admit to liking Cruz.
12.32am GMT12.32am GMT
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“Today, at Aipac, Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton before him promised to move the embassy [to Jerusalem],” Cruz said, of moving the American embassy in Israel to Jerusalem. “The difference is that when I promise to do something, I do something.”“Today, at Aipac, Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton before him promised to move the embassy [to Jerusalem],” Cruz said, of moving the American embassy in Israel to Jerusalem. “The difference is that when I promise to do something, I do something.”
“When I say it, I say it taking the consequences into account - it’s not just empty campaign rhetoric,” Cruz said. “Moving the embassy to Jerusalem makes a statement that America is back.”“When I say it, I say it taking the consequences into account - it’s not just empty campaign rhetoric,” Cruz said. “Moving the embassy to Jerusalem makes a statement that America is back.”
“The era of appeasement under the Obama-Clinton foreign policy is over,” Cruz concluded.“The era of appeasement under the Obama-Clinton foreign policy is over,” Cruz concluded.
12.29am GMT
00:29
Ted Cruz joins Wolf Blitzer on CNN town hall
Scott Bixby
On the heels of a speech at Aipac that criticized Donald Trump’s former stance of “neutrality” on the issue of Israeli-Palestinian relations, Ted Cruz doubled down on declaring that Trump is insufficiently pro-Israel.
“What that suggests is that he buys into the moral equivalency that many in the media pitch,” Cruz said of Trump’s previous stance. “If you think that the state of Israel is somehow morally equivalent to terrorists...”
“The Palestinian Authority is in a so-called unity government with Hamas, a terrorist organization,” Cruz said. “I’m happy to try to broker a deal from the beginning - but the difference is that you need a president who stands with Israel, who doesn’t accept this moral equivalence.”
“What Donald Trump does is the same thing that Hillary Clinton does.”
12.22am GMT
00:22
Scott Bixby
Anderson Cooper asks John Kasich, the governor of Ohio, about Donald Trump’s floating of the idea that there would be riots in Cleveland if his nomination is denied him. “This would happen under your watch - are you planning on calling the Ohio National Guard?”
“We always manage events where we think there could be problems the best we can,” Kasich said. “But that kind of language is not acceptable... We have to be better than that kind of language.”
12.20am GMT
00:20
Scott Bixby
“You’re the only Republican who beats Hillary Clinton in a head-to-head matchup,” and yet the majority of Republicans want John Kasich to drop out, Cooper noted.
“I don’t think anybody’s going to have enough delegates to win the nomination before the convention,” Kasich said. “Delegates are gonna think about two things: Who can win? I’m the only one who can win in a general election. And number two: Who can be president?”
After playing a robocall of Mitt Romney encouraging Utah voters to vote for Ted Cruz and telling voters that “a vote for John Kasich is a vote for Donald Trump,” Kasich was unhappy.
“How do you come out one week and say he’s got a great record and the next week...” Kasich trailed off. “I don’t get this - are we thinking about just the Republican nomination?”
“There’s zero change I would be vice president for either of them - zero. Less than zero,” Kasich said, of serving on the ticket with either Ted Cruz or Donald Trump.
12.18am GMT
00:18
John Stoehr
Here is John Kasich, first of the five interviewees, telling the truth about Libya, signaling a willingness to poke Hillary Clinton’s soft underbelly. He said that it was a mistake to overthrow Muammar Gaddafi and pinned Libya’s current malaise firmly on the former secretary of state.
“Any time you start getting in the middle of these kind of problems directly, which is what we did, you create problems,” he said.
CNN’s Anderson Cooper appears to be stunned that a Republican candidate for the presidency would suggest a dictator be left in power. It was a softball question that turned into a line drive down the middle.
12.14am GMT
00:14
Scott Bixby
John Kasich, on whether Donald Trump is ready to lead:
That’s up to the people to decide.
12.13am GMT
00:13
“Under your presidency, would companies [like Airbnb] be forced out of Cuba?”
“I don’t want to expand any more - I’d have to think about exactly what I’d do,” Kasich said.
12.12am GMT
00:12
Scott Bixby
Cooper asked Kasich whether he would intervene with troops on the ground in the Libyan civil war to defeat Isis’s presence there.
“We should have left Qaddafi stay there - he was cooperating with us, and by knocking him out we turned this into the Wild West,” Kasich said, criticizing Hillary Clinton’s tenure as secretary of state.
“Anytime you mess in a civil war, any time you start to get in the middle of these problems directly, which is what we did, you’re gonna create problems,” Kasich said, saying that he would not have intervened in the Libyan civil war.
“To have a huge troop presence there, for a long time, I don’t think makes sense.”
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12.08am GMT
00:08
Scott Bixby
“Is experience in making deals - does it transfer to statesmanship?” Cooper asks, referring to Donald Trump, who has no political experience.
“Frankly, when you’re a politician, people wonder if you can transfer that experience to business - and I did,” Kasich said, emphasizing his history as a successful banker after he left Congress to work for the now-defunct investment bank Lehman Bros.
“I’m the only one that has the legislative, and the executive, and the business experience in the race,” Kasich concluded.
12.05am GMT
00:05
John Kasich joins Anderson Cooper on CNN town hall
Scott Bixby
On the heels of the Ohio governor’s speech in front of the American Israel Public Affairs Committee (Aipac) conference in Washington, DC, anchor Anderson Cooper asked John Kasich whether Donald Trump is strong enough of an ally for Israel.
“Thirty-five years I’ve supported Israel - we’ve got to be clear to strengthen NATO... we’re providing them with the lethal defensive equipment that we need,” Kasich said. “We don’t want to ever put them in a position where they don’t have superiority.”
“I want to make sure that they’re strong and the strongest in the region,” Kasich said. “I’m told today that there is some progress with the Palestinians on keeping some of the violence in check. My whole point, Anderson, in regard to Israel and the Middle East is stability. It’s a matter of getting through each day with a lid on things.”
“It’s easy to make a lot of statements - but when you have a lot of experience in this matter, which I have... you learn to choose your words carefully, and I think today that I was very strong in that speech.”
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11.49pm GMT
23:49
Welcome to the Guardian's 'final five' live blog
Scott Bixby
Good evening, and welcome to the Guardian’s live blog of CNN’s “Final Five” presidential forum, a first-of-its-kind town hall event where the five remaining presidential candidates from both major political parties will join CNN’s Anderson Cooper and Wolf Blitzer on the same stage – albeit, not at the same time.
Four of the candidates – former secretary of state Hillary Clinton, Texas senator Ted Cruz, Ohio governor John Kasich and New York businessman Donald Trump – will be live in-studio, with Vermont senator Bernie Sanders joining the broadcast via satellite from Salt Lake City.
Coming on the heels of the American Israel Public Affairs Committee (Aipac) conference meeting in Washington DC, where each of the four candidates planning to appear in-studio spoke today, the town hall will likely feature a wide range of foreign-policy questioning, particularly of candidates who used the speech to poke at their unnamed rivals. Clinton, for example, implicitly compared Trump’s candidacy to the rise of Adolf Hitler, while Cruz mentioned in an aside that candidates who have pledged neutrality on the issue of Israel weren’t true allies of the Jewish state.
As for nuts and bolts of tonight’s event:
In addition to myself – Scott Bixby – tonight’s live blog will feature contributions from Ben Jacobs and John Stoehr.
To catch up with today’s political news before the town hall event, be sure to check out the Guardian’s minute-by-minute coverage of today’s campaign events in our liveblog:
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