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Sanders: 'California is the big enchilada' – as it happened Sanders: 'California is the big enchilada' – as it happened
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Afternoon summaryAfternoon summary
We’re wrapping up for the day, so it’s time for the traditional summary of events:We’re wrapping up for the day, so it’s time for the traditional summary of events:
And that was it for the morning. If you haven’t done so yet, read this report from Ben Jacobs. Goodbye.And that was it for the morning. If you haven’t done so yet, read this report from Ben Jacobs. Goodbye.
Related: Delegates, not death threats: how the Trump campaign got real to seal the deal
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The Republicans and Democrats are not the only parties active over Memorial Day weekend: the Libertarians are staging their convention.The Republicans and Democrats are not the only parties active over Memorial Day weekend: the Libertarians are staging their convention.
Delegates in Orlando are scheduled to pick their presidential candidate, the three contenders being the former New Mexico governor Gary Johnson, anti-computer virus company founder John McAfee and Austin Petersen, founder of the Libertarian Republic magazine.Delegates in Orlando are scheduled to pick their presidential candidate, the three contenders being the former New Mexico governor Gary Johnson, anti-computer virus company founder John McAfee and Austin Petersen, founder of the Libertarian Republic magazine.
Johnson was the nominee in 2012, getting about 1% of the vote.Johnson was the nominee in 2012, getting about 1% of the vote.
There may be no chance of a third-party Republican bid, now Paul Ryan is in detente with Trump and Mitt Romney wants only to attack the billionaire, not run against him, but the rancour on the right, and indeed the left, means there may be an opening for a stronger Libertarian showing.There may be no chance of a third-party Republican bid, now Paul Ryan is in detente with Trump and Mitt Romney wants only to attack the billionaire, not run against him, but the rancour on the right, and indeed the left, means there may be an opening for a stronger Libertarian showing.
Related: Truth or fiction? John McAfee for the Libertarian party's presidential nominee
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Former California Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger joins NBC’s Meet the Press because celebrity-turned-Republican politician phenomenon gripping the nation.Former California Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger joins NBC’s Meet the Press because celebrity-turned-Republican politician phenomenon gripping the nation.
Asked what the Guuuvnah makes of comparisons between his governorship and Trump’s rise.Asked what the Guuuvnah makes of comparisons between his governorship and Trump’s rise.
“I don’t really study that much you know what is the difference between Donald Trump and what is my candidacy,” Schwarzenegger tells Chuck Todd from Johannesburg.“I don’t really study that much you know what is the difference between Donald Trump and what is my candidacy,” Schwarzenegger tells Chuck Todd from Johannesburg.
Schwarzenegger said he’s still a Republican, even though Trump’s at the helm but he wouldn’t endorse the Donald. The former actor and bodybuilder endorsed governor John Kasich for president.Schwarzenegger said he’s still a Republican, even though Trump’s at the helm but he wouldn’t endorse the Donald. The former actor and bodybuilder endorsed governor John Kasich for president.
“Today I want to talk about the poll numbers,” Schwarzenegger said, diverting the conversation back to the work his polling institute his doing.“Today I want to talk about the poll numbers,” Schwarzenegger said, diverting the conversation back to the work his polling institute his doing.
Schwarzenegger said he does intend to make an endorsement, but it’ll be in his own “unusual” way. (Read: NBC is too passé for this governor.)Schwarzenegger said he does intend to make an endorsement, but it’ll be in his own “unusual” way. (Read: NBC is too passé for this governor.)
“I will make an announcement before the convention you can be sure of that. But I will do it my way, which is an unusual way,” he said. “As you remember I announced my candidacy for governor on the Tonight Show. So that was very unusual and I will do the exact same thing also with the endorsement.”“I will make an announcement before the convention you can be sure of that. But I will do it my way, which is an unusual way,” he said. “As you remember I announced my candidacy for governor on the Tonight Show. So that was very unusual and I will do the exact same thing also with the endorsement.”
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Finally on NBC, after a spot of discussion of the forthcoming Democratic policy platform, Sanders is asked about Hillary’s possible VP picks, of which of course he is one.Finally on NBC, after a spot of discussion of the forthcoming Democratic policy platform, Sanders is asked about Hillary’s possible VP picks, of which of course he is one.
Of course, Sanders equivocates, refusing for example to be drawn into criticism of the Virginia senator Tim Kaine as being too conservative for the role, which some say he is.Of course, Sanders equivocates, refusing for example to be drawn into criticism of the Virginia senator Tim Kaine as being too conservative for the role, which some say he is.
Todd asks: “Would you take the call if Hillary Clinton asked you to be her running mate?”Todd asks: “Would you take the call if Hillary Clinton asked you to be her running mate?”
“Well, right now, again, here we are in California” Sanders says. “I’m knocking my brains out to win the Democratic nomination. That’s where I am right now. What happens afterwards, we will see. But right now, my focus is on winning the nomination.”“Well, right now, again, here we are in California” Sanders says. “I’m knocking my brains out to win the Democratic nomination. That’s where I am right now. What happens afterwards, we will see. But right now, my focus is on winning the nomination.”
Todd: “Well, that was a very political type of answer that says you’re not answering the question. Fair enough, you’re not ruling it out.”Todd: “Well, that was a very political type of answer that says you’re not answering the question. Fair enough, you’re not ruling it out.”
Sanders: “What I am saying right now is our focus is on winning the Democratic nomination.”Sanders: “What I am saying right now is our focus is on winning the Democratic nomination.”
What we are saying right now is, that’s all for Bernie Sanders on NBC.What we are saying right now is, that’s all for Bernie Sanders on NBC.
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Next on NBC, Sanders is asked about Hillary Clinton. Will be his responsibility, if he loses, to make sure all his supporters get on board with Clinton to beat Trump. Easy question, right?Next on NBC, Sanders is asked about Hillary Clinton. Will be his responsibility, if he loses, to make sure all his supporters get on board with Clinton to beat Trump. Easy question, right?
Right, basically.Right, basically.
“Donald Trump, for a dozen different reasons, would be a disaster as president,” he says. “I will do everything that I can to make sure that does not happen.“Donald Trump, for a dozen different reasons, would be a disaster as president,” he says. “I will do everything that I can to make sure that does not happen.
“But at the end of the day … if Clinton is the nominee, it is her job to reach out to millions of people and make the case as to why she is going to defend working families and the middle, provide healthcare for all people, take on Wall Street, deal aggressively with climate change. That is the candidate’s job to do.”“But at the end of the day … if Clinton is the nominee, it is her job to reach out to millions of people and make the case as to why she is going to defend working families and the middle, provide healthcare for all people, take on Wall Street, deal aggressively with climate change. That is the candidate’s job to do.”
Todd asks if Sanders should be telling his supporters: “You may not be happy with Hillary Clinton, but she’s better than him”?Todd asks if Sanders should be telling his supporters: “You may not be happy with Hillary Clinton, but she’s better than him”?
“Well, no question about that. No question about that … if your question is do I think that Secretary Clinton is significantly a better candidate for America than is Donald Trump, that is not a debate. Of course that is true.”“Well, no question about that. No question about that … if your question is do I think that Secretary Clinton is significantly a better candidate for America than is Donald Trump, that is not a debate. Of course that is true.”
Todd now asks if Sanders thinks Clinton “needs a clean bill of health from the FBI before she accepts the Democrat nomination”. He’s referring to the investigation into her use of a private email server while secretary of state. Of course he is.Todd now asks if Sanders thinks Clinton “needs a clean bill of health from the FBI before she accepts the Democrat nomination”. He’s referring to the investigation into her use of a private email server while secretary of state. Of course he is.
Bernie not so much dodges as ignores the question, to state his campaign talking points. Then: “But so I have not gotten into the email situation at all. There is a process unfolding. There’s an investigation that is going on. It will play out and we’ll see what happens.”Bernie not so much dodges as ignores the question, to state his campaign talking points. Then: “But so I have not gotten into the email situation at all. There is a process unfolding. There’s an investigation that is going on. It will play out and we’ll see what happens.”
Todd asks if it’s important to know the FBI’s intentions before the convention in Philadelphia in July?Todd asks if it’s important to know the FBI’s intentions before the convention in Philadelphia in July?
“I have no idea when they are going to make their report public or come up with their conclusions.“I have no idea when they are going to make their report public or come up with their conclusions.
“But do I think that whenever that happens, if it happens, that that will be an issue that Donald Trump and the Republicans will seize on? I think there is little doubt about that.“But do I think that whenever that happens, if it happens, that that will be an issue that Donald Trump and the Republicans will seize on? I think there is little doubt about that.
Pressed again, Sanders goes back to his base issues. Todd is not to be put off: “Do you have a problem when some of your supporters are quoted in The New York Times saying they’re sort of rooting for an FBI indictment when it comes to Clinton? Do you tell your supporters not to talk that way?”Pressed again, Sanders goes back to his base issues. Todd is not to be put off: “Do you have a problem when some of your supporters are quoted in The New York Times saying they’re sort of rooting for an FBI indictment when it comes to Clinton? Do you tell your supporters not to talk that way?”
“I’ll tell you, I have a real problem with The New York Times, which from day one, has been trying to be dismissive of our campaign and be very negative about our campaign. You can go out and you can talk to millions of people and you get response that you want. Our campaign is about defeating Secretary Clinton on the real issues.”“I’ll tell you, I have a real problem with The New York Times, which from day one, has been trying to be dismissive of our campaign and be very negative about our campaign. You can go out and you can talk to millions of people and you get response that you want. Our campaign is about defeating Secretary Clinton on the real issues.”
Which he then lists, again: Wall Street, minimum wage at $15, voting against the Iraq war, fracking, carbon tax.Which he then lists, again: Wall Street, minimum wage at $15, voting against the Iraq war, fracking, carbon tax.
And with that the emails have been discussed. Sort of.And with that the emails have been discussed. Sort of.
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Now we’re flipping over to CBS Face the Nation where Senator Bernie Sanders has joined from Santa Barbara.Now we’re flipping over to CBS Face the Nation where Senator Bernie Sanders has joined from Santa Barbara.
Asked by CBS John Dickerson if the democratic nominating process is “totally rigged”, like Trump has said, Sanders said no.Asked by CBS John Dickerson if the democratic nominating process is “totally rigged”, like Trump has said, Sanders said no.
I’ve been very touched by Donald Trump’s love for me but John, with all due respect, maybe some aspect of this which he thinks will advantage himself. So I do appreciate his love and compassion for me but I don’t really accept his words. Look, we knew that when we were in this that we were taking on the entire Democratic establishment – no great secret about that and yet we have won 20 states, we’re in California now and I think we have a good chance to win here. I think we have an uphill fight but there is just a possibility that we may end up at the end of this nominating process with more pledged delegates than Hillary Clinton. What has upset me, and I wouldn’t use the word “rigged” because we knew what the rules were, but what is really dumb is that you have closed primaries like in New York state, where 3 million people who were Democrats or Republicans could not participate, where you have a situation where over 400 super-delegates came on board Clinton’s campaign before anybody else was in the race, eight months before the first vote was cast. That’s not rigged I think it’s just a dumb process which has certainly disadvantaged our campaign.I’ve been very touched by Donald Trump’s love for me but John, with all due respect, maybe some aspect of this which he thinks will advantage himself. So I do appreciate his love and compassion for me but I don’t really accept his words. Look, we knew that when we were in this that we were taking on the entire Democratic establishment – no great secret about that and yet we have won 20 states, we’re in California now and I think we have a good chance to win here. I think we have an uphill fight but there is just a possibility that we may end up at the end of this nominating process with more pledged delegates than Hillary Clinton. What has upset me, and I wouldn’t use the word “rigged” because we knew what the rules were, but what is really dumb is that you have closed primaries like in New York state, where 3 million people who were Democrats or Republicans could not participate, where you have a situation where over 400 super-delegates came on board Clinton’s campaign before anybody else was in the race, eight months before the first vote was cast. That’s not rigged I think it’s just a dumb process which has certainly disadvantaged our campaign.
Sanders said beating Trump should be Democrats’ top priority.Sanders said beating Trump should be Democrats’ top priority.
“You have got to determine [who] is the strongest candidate to defeat Trump,” Sanders said. “If you look at every poll in the last 6 wks, that is Bernie Sanders.”“You have got to determine [who] is the strongest candidate to defeat Trump,” Sanders said. “If you look at every poll in the last 6 wks, that is Bernie Sanders.”
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Up next, top Senate Democrat Dianne Feinstein tells ABC This Week “enough is enough” over Clinton’s email controversy.Up next, top Senate Democrat Dianne Feinstein tells ABC This Week “enough is enough” over Clinton’s email controversy.
“This goes on and on and on,” said Feinstein, a Clinton supporter. “We’re reaching the final stages of a primary. Hillary Clinton is going to win this primary. I say enough is enough. Let’s get to the major problems facing this nation.”“This goes on and on and on,” said Feinstein, a Clinton supporter. “We’re reaching the final stages of a primary. Hillary Clinton is going to win this primary. I say enough is enough. Let’s get to the major problems facing this nation.”
This week, an internal watchdog issued a damning report that contradicted Clinton’s claims that she had been allowed to use a private email server for official business while serving as the nation’s chief diplomat.This week, an internal watchdog issued a damning report that contradicted Clinton’s claims that she had been allowed to use a private email server for official business while serving as the nation’s chief diplomat.
I read all 42 pages of the report. The conclusion of the report does not say that. What it says is that the department does not handle these electronic platform operations well and needs to do better,” Feinstein said.I read all 42 pages of the report. The conclusion of the report does not say that. What it says is that the department does not handle these electronic platform operations well and needs to do better,” Feinstein said.
“Hillary herself has said, ‘Yes, I made a mistake. If I had a chance to do it over again, I’d do it differently.’ I mean, what do people want?”“Hillary herself has said, ‘Yes, I made a mistake. If I had a chance to do it over again, I’d do it differently.’ I mean, what do people want?”
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Sanders: California is the big enchiladaSanders: California is the big enchilada
More from Sanders on NBC.More from Sanders on NBC.
Todd has a good question next, about whether Sanders is contradicting himself by “saying you want [superdelegates] to respect the vote in their state”, but then saying “But oh, by the way, for those of you that are a superdelegate in a state that Clinton won, why don’t you think about the general election?”Todd has a good question next, about whether Sanders is contradicting himself by “saying you want [superdelegates] to respect the vote in their state”, but then saying “But oh, by the way, for those of you that are a superdelegate in a state that Clinton won, why don’t you think about the general election?”
Is this a little hypocritical?Is this a little hypocritical?
No, says Sanders. “All that I am saying is for those superdelegates who came onboard before I was even in the race, you have got the very grave responsibility to make sure that Trump does not become elected president of the United States.”No, says Sanders. “All that I am saying is for those superdelegates who came onboard before I was even in the race, you have got the very grave responsibility to make sure that Trump does not become elected president of the United States.”
Is his campaign over if he doesn’t win California?Is his campaign over if he doesn’t win California?
“No, that’s what you said. I didn’t say. What I said is obviously California is very, very important, 475 superdelegates. Obviously, if we don’t do well in California, it will make our path much much harder. No question about it. But I think we have a good chance to winning California, maybe win big, and maybe win four or five of the other states that are off on 7 June.“No, that’s what you said. I didn’t say. What I said is obviously California is very, very important, 475 superdelegates. Obviously, if we don’t do well in California, it will make our path much much harder. No question about it. But I think we have a good chance to winning California, maybe win big, and maybe win four or five of the other states that are off on 7 June.
Pressed, Sanders adds: “Hey, look, Chuck, California is the big enchilada, so to speak. Obviously it is enormously important, and obviously we want to win it. But … I think by the end of the process, we may win half of the states. So we’re going to fight till the last vote is cast and try to appeal to the last delegate that we can.”Pressed, Sanders adds: “Hey, look, Chuck, California is the big enchilada, so to speak. Obviously it is enormously important, and obviously we want to win it. But … I think by the end of the process, we may win half of the states. So we’re going to fight till the last vote is cast and try to appeal to the last delegate that we can.”
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Next up is Meet the Press on NBC. Coming up, former California governor and bodybuilding “brown condom filled with walnuts” (TM Clive James) Arnold Schwarzenegger. But first, we have the man threatening to terminate – oh yes – Clinton’s presidential dream. Bernie Sanders.Next up is Meet the Press on NBC. Coming up, former California governor and bodybuilding “brown condom filled with walnuts” (TM Clive James) Arnold Schwarzenegger. But first, we have the man threatening to terminate – oh yes – Clinton’s presidential dream. Bernie Sanders.
In a pre-recorded interview, we’re off with what host Chuck Todd calls a “simple question with maybe a complicated answer”: “How do you win?”In a pre-recorded interview, we’re off with what host Chuck Todd calls a “simple question with maybe a complicated answer”: “How do you win?”
Nicky Woolf had a stab at answering that question for us. Bernie’s stab is thus:Nicky Woolf had a stab at answering that question for us. Bernie’s stab is thus:
“I think there are three paths to victory. No1, I want to go into the convention with more pledged delegates than Secretary Clinton. And that’s going to be an uphill fight … What I want to do, and I think we can, is win California here, and win under the big vote, do very, very well in the other five states. And I believe going into the convention, if we can do this, with the majority of pledged delegates, is a very symbolic victory.“I think there are three paths to victory. No1, I want to go into the convention with more pledged delegates than Secretary Clinton. And that’s going to be an uphill fight … What I want to do, and I think we can, is win California here, and win under the big vote, do very, very well in the other five states. And I believe going into the convention, if we can do this, with the majority of pledged delegates, is a very symbolic victory.
“Second of all, we’re going to talk to those superdelegates in states where we have won landslide victories, 60%, 70%, 80% of the vote, to say, ‘Do what the people in your state want. They voted for Bernie Sanders, you as the superdelegates should follow their wishes.’“Second of all, we’re going to talk to those superdelegates in states where we have won landslide victories, 60%, 70%, 80% of the vote, to say, ‘Do what the people in your state want. They voted for Bernie Sanders, you as the superdelegates should follow their wishes.’
“Third point and most important point … there are over 400 superdelegates who came on to Secretary Clinton’s campaign eight months before the first ballot was cast. Before anybody else was in the race. Before they could get a sense of what the campaign was about.“Third point and most important point … there are over 400 superdelegates who came on to Secretary Clinton’s campaign eight months before the first ballot was cast. Before anybody else was in the race. Before they could get a sense of what the campaign was about.
“Right now, in every major poll, national poll and statewide poll done in the last month, six weeks, we are defeating Trump often by big numbers, and always at a larger margin than Secretary Clinton is. We’re going to make the case for the superdelegates, ‘Your job is to make sure that Trump is defeated, that Bernie Sanders, in fact, for a variety of reasons, not just polling, is the strongest candidate.’”“Right now, in every major poll, national poll and statewide poll done in the last month, six weeks, we are defeating Trump often by big numbers, and always at a larger margin than Secretary Clinton is. We’re going to make the case for the superdelegates, ‘Your job is to make sure that Trump is defeated, that Bernie Sanders, in fact, for a variety of reasons, not just polling, is the strongest candidate.’”
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What does The Donald want?What does The Donald want?
The anti-establishment crusader who scorns Washington and mocks Beltway antics wants a running mate who, you guessed it, has “Washington experience”. Manafort said the campaign has drawn a list of potential running mates that includes a list of “people who could work with the Congress”... and don’t get him wrong, this “doesn’t mean that there aren’t women hispanics on the list”.The anti-establishment crusader who scorns Washington and mocks Beltway antics wants a running mate who, you guessed it, has “Washington experience”. Manafort said the campaign has drawn a list of potential running mates that includes a list of “people who could work with the Congress”... and don’t get him wrong, this “doesn’t mean that there aren’t women hispanics on the list”.
Manafort said Trump won’t pander, but if there is a woman or minority candidate with the right qualifications than they stand a chance.Manafort said Trump won’t pander, but if there is a woman or minority candidate with the right qualifications than they stand a chance.
Jon Karl, filling in for George Stephanopoulos, asks Manafort if the potential VP would be required to release their tax returns, something Trump has delayed. Manafort dodged the question. “The exact [vetting] process, we’re not talking about that.”Jon Karl, filling in for George Stephanopoulos, asks Manafort if the potential VP would be required to release their tax returns, something Trump has delayed. Manafort dodged the question. “The exact [vetting] process, we’re not talking about that.”
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We’re on ABC News watching This Week right now. Up first is the man charged with electing the most unlikeable candidate in recent history, Donald Trump’s campaign manager Paul Manafort.We’re on ABC News watching This Week right now. Up first is the man charged with electing the most unlikeable candidate in recent history, Donald Trump’s campaign manager Paul Manafort.
Manafort fielded questions on Trump’s quixotic campaign strategy, his inability to stop going after Republicans even though he’s already clinched the GOP nomination, who The Donald wants as a running mate, how he’ll continue to go after the Clintons, and, yes, whether he really believes the campaigns’s New York headquarters are bugged. (Short answer: No!)Manafort fielded questions on Trump’s quixotic campaign strategy, his inability to stop going after Republicans even though he’s already clinched the GOP nomination, who The Donald wants as a running mate, how he’ll continue to go after the Clintons, and, yes, whether he really believes the campaigns’s New York headquarters are bugged. (Short answer: No!)
Earlier this week, Trump reprised a conspiracy theory that the Clinton’s were somehow involved in the suicide of their friend, attorney Vince Foster. He also raised decades-old allegations of rape against Bill Clinton , referring to Juanita Broaddrick, who made the allegation in 1999. Clinton denied her claims through a lawyer, David Kendall, who called them “absolutely false.”Earlier this week, Trump reprised a conspiracy theory that the Clinton’s were somehow involved in the suicide of their friend, attorney Vince Foster. He also raised decades-old allegations of rape against Bill Clinton , referring to Juanita Broaddrick, who made the allegation in 1999. Clinton denied her claims through a lawyer, David Kendall, who called them “absolutely false.”
Manafort said the line of attack is valid an there’s more where that came from: “Trouble follows the Clintons everywhere. People are frustrated with all the drama that around the Clinton family and the history of the Clinton family. Certainly if they’re going to be back in the political milieu than they’re history is relevant to what the American people can expect. The point is that Hillary Clinton is running for president as a team. She said she doesn’t even want to handle the economic responsibilities of teh job. She wants her husband to do so – the most important job the president has other than defending the country she doesn’t want to participate in. Mr. Trump has said, ok if she’s going to put off the economic portfolio to her husband, than the whole family up for discussion.”Manafort said the line of attack is valid an there’s more where that came from: “Trouble follows the Clintons everywhere. People are frustrated with all the drama that around the Clinton family and the history of the Clinton family. Certainly if they’re going to be back in the political milieu than they’re history is relevant to what the American people can expect. The point is that Hillary Clinton is running for president as a team. She said she doesn’t even want to handle the economic responsibilities of teh job. She wants her husband to do so – the most important job the president has other than defending the country she doesn’t want to participate in. Mr. Trump has said, ok if she’s going to put off the economic portfolio to her husband, than the whole family up for discussion.”
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