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ITV debate: Farage and Cameron face EU questions ITV debate: Farage and Cameron face EU questions
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Nigel Farage has said he has been "demonised" for his views on immigration as he and David Cameron faced questions in a live EU TV debate.Nigel Farage has said he has been "demonised" for his views on immigration as he and David Cameron faced questions in a live EU TV debate.
The UKIP leader faced accusations of "inflammatory" scaremongering during exchanges with members of the public.The UKIP leader faced accusations of "inflammatory" scaremongering during exchanges with members of the public.
But he insisted there was wide support for "getting a grip" on migration. But he insisted there was wide support for "getting a grip" on migration, including from ethnic minority groups.
Mr Cameron said there were "good and bad ways" to handle immigration but he didn't back a "Little England" stance. The PM said there were "good and bad ways" to handle immigration but warned against a "Little England" stance.
Mr Farage and Mr Cameron did not debate head-to-head but appeared in turn on the ITV show - each facing half-an-hour of questions on the economy, immigration, security and sovereignty from the 200-strong audience.Mr Farage and Mr Cameron did not debate head-to-head but appeared in turn on the ITV show - each facing half-an-hour of questions on the economy, immigration, security and sovereignty from the 200-strong audience.
Making the case for the UK to leave the EU, the UKIP leader argued the EU was "done for" and that even if UK firms had tariffs imposed on them after leaving, this would cost less than the amount the UK was currently giving to Brussels. Making the case for the UK to leave the EU, the UKIP leader argued the 28-member union was "done for" economically and that even if UK firms had tariffs imposed on them after leaving, this would cost less than the amount the UK was currently giving to Brussels.
'Rotten deal'
"No deal is better than the rotten deal that we have at the moment," he said."No deal is better than the rotten deal that we have at the moment," he said.
Pressed on his plans to stop EU migrants having the automatic right to live and work in the EU, Mr Farage said he accepted that migrants did make a contribution to the UK economy but said "the real truth is that there is more to life then GDP". 'Rotten deal'
Mr Farage defended comments he made about the Cologne sex attacks, which have been criticised by the Archbishop of Canterbury, and said there was a "real problem" that the policy of open borders in the EU was increasing the risk of terrorism. Pressed on his plans to stop EU migrants having the automatic right to live and work in the UK, Mr Farage said he accepted that migrants did make a contribution to the UK economy but "the real truth is that there is more to life than GDP" and the reality was that "ordinary decent Britons" had had "a rotten time" in recent years.
"I am used to being demonised because I have taken on the Establishment," he said. Mr Farage was forced onto the defensive over his views about the risk of Cologne-style sex attacks by migrants in the UK, which have been criticised by the Archbishop of Canterbury, telling one women who raised the question to "just calm down there".
"In no other system in the world do we have free movement of people along with free movement of goods. While he was not going to attack Justin Welby, he urged him to read what he actually said and not the newspaper headlines.
"If you had an Australian points system rather than an open door to 500 million people, it would be better. Analysis by the BBC's political editor Laura Kuenssberg
"There is big support for this amongst ethnic minorities who know this is our only chance to get a grip on this issue." Nigel Farage came here without a lot to lose, David Cameron was the exact opposite.
Addressing the same audience, Mr Cameron said he was frustrated by the EU but this was not a justification for walking away, saying he believed in a country that was a "fighter not a quitter". In the end, I'm not sure either of them were winners. I felt like the audience was rather frustrated by both of them.
"The right thing to do is to fight for a great Britain in the EU and not take the Little England option of Nigel Farage." It seems that when the public get their hands on politicians like this, they don't get what they want - they don't get the answers they're looking for. The thing is, we're hurtling towards this referendum now and I don't see where those new answers are going to come from.
'Telling untruths' Brandishing a passport and calling for the UK to regain control of who came into the country, he said there was a "real problem" that the EU's policy open borders made the UK more vulnerable to the risk of terrorism.
Claiming the vote was not about his future, he said he would accept the people's instructions. "I am used to being demonised because I have taken on the establishment," he said. "In no other system in the world do we have free movement of people along with free movement of goods.
He argued there was a growing consensus that a vote to leave the EU would "put jobs at risk and shrink the economy". "If you had an Australian points system rather than an open door to 500 million people, it would be better. There is big support for this amongst ethnic minorities who know this is our only chance to get a grip on this issue."
'Fight don't quit'
Addressing the same audience, Mr Cameron said he was frustrated by the EU but this was not a justification for walking away, saying he had wanted to lead a country that was a "fighter not a quitter".
"The right thing to do is to fight for a great Britain in the EU and not take the Little England option of Nigel Farage," he said.
He argued there was a growing consensus that a vote to leave the UK would "put jobs at risk and shrink the economy", criticising Mr Farage for downplaying the economic arguments.
"GDP is the size of our economy. It is the combination of all the wealth our country creates. He (Farage) is basically saying it doesn't really matter. He is so keen to get us out of Europe that he is prepared to sacrifice jobs and growth along the way."
The prime minister was repeatedly criticised by members of audience for failing to control migration - one questioner saying he had three children living in one room, could not get a doctor's appointment and that parts of the UK had been turned into no-go areas.
While he accepted immigration was a challenge, Mr Cameron said there were different ways of responding: "A good way is saying people can come here... but they have to pay in before they can get out."
Claiming the vote was not about his future, he said he would accept the people's instructions whatever the outcome of the vote.
The event, staged in the Olympic Park in east London, took place just before the midnight deadline for people to register to vote in the 23 June referendum.The event, staged in the Olympic Park in east London, took place just before the midnight deadline for people to register to vote in the 23 June referendum.
At a press conference earlier on Tuesday, Mr Cameron appealed to people to sign up to vote and not to "sit on the sidelines", saying it was a decision that would shape the UK's destiny for years to come.At a press conference earlier on Tuesday, Mr Cameron appealed to people to sign up to vote and not to "sit on the sidelines", saying it was a decision that would shape the UK's destiny for years to come.
The PM accused Leave campaigners of "telling complete untruths to the British people", including claims the UK's budget rebate was at risk, the UK would be liable to contribute to future EU bailouts and could not stop new countries like Turkey from joining the EU.
The UKIP leader has said that he is standing up for the UK's national interest while Mr Cameron "wants what is best for the EU".
Mr Farage is a veteran of high-profile TV showdowns, having debated with former Deputy Prime Minister Nick Clegg ahead of the European elections in 2014 and taken part in the leaders' debate during last year's general election.