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Rebels keep up pressure on Brown Cabinet urged to win over rebels
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Prime Minister Gordon Brown's attempt to head off a defeat over the abolition of the 10p income tax band appears not to have won over rebel Labour MPs. The government will be "working hard" over the next week to head off a Commons defeat over abolishing the 10p income tax band, Downing Street says.
Some 40 are now said to have signed a motion challenging the decision - enough to beat the government if repeated in next week's Commons vote. The prime minister's spokesman said Chancellor Alistair Darling would meet Labour MPs threatening to rebel.
The MPs say more than five million low earners have been left out of pocket. Some 39 Labour MPs are said to have signed a motion attacking the tax move - enough to overturn it in a vote.
Mr Brown has promised to look at ways to help the worse off. The cabinet is meeting now and may discuss the issue. They say the change is hurting low earners. The government has promised to look at ways of helping those affected.
The abolition of the 10p starter rate of income tax was debated at a cabinet meeting on Tuesday morning.
'Important'
The prime minister's spokesman said Chief Whip Geoff Hoon had told colleagues it was "important that all ministers in cabinet explained to those who had concerns what the government's position was".
But he again refused to say whether Prime Minister Gordon Brown saw the issue as a "confidence vote", simply describing it as "important".
EFFECTS OF TAX CHANGES Winners: Most people with incomes of £18,000+Under £18,000 but aged 65+ and therefore eligible for higher personal allowancesUnder £18,000 but with young children and therefore eligible for child tax credits Losers: Under £18,000 and ineligible for working tax credits because under 25Retired early and therefore ineligible for higher personal allowancesPart-timer working insufficient hours to qualify for tax credits Different personal circumstances may affect final amountsSource: PWC Tax changes explainedAnalysis: Darling's options
The spokesman said the government would be "working hard during the course of the next week to persuade MPs of the merits of its case".
The number of Labour backbenchers who have signed a motion challenging the tax decision is enough to defeat the government if they and all opposition MPs voted that way in next week's Commons vote.
The Finance Bill - which enacts this year's Budget - was given a second reading on Monday evening when MPs approved it by 298 votes to 223.The Finance Bill - which enacts this year's Budget - was given a second reading on Monday evening when MPs approved it by 298 votes to 223.
'No-confidence vote'
But the government faces a likely rebellion next week when amendments are put forward relating to the abolition of the 10p rate, introduced in last year's Budget.But the government faces a likely rebellion next week when amendments are put forward relating to the abolition of the 10p rate, introduced in last year's Budget.
Labour whips have told MPs a vote against the bill would amount to a vote of no confidence in the government. Frank Field, the Labour MP heading the revolt, said 39 backbenchers had signed his amendment, which seeks compensation for those who lose out from the 10p tax move.
Frank Field, the Labour MP heading the revolt, said 40 backbenchers had signed his amendment, which seeks compensation for those who lose out from the 10p tax move. 'Compensated'
EFFECTS OF TAX CHANGES Winners: Most people with incomes of £18,000+Under £18,000 but aged 65+ and therefore eligible for higher personal allowancesUnder £18,000 but with young children and therefore eligible for child tax credits Losers: Under £18,000 and ineligible for working tax credits because under 25Retired early and therefore ineligible for higher personal allowancesPart-timer working insufficient hours to qualify for tax credits Different personal circumstances may affect final amountsSource: PWC Tax changes explainedAnalysis: Darling's options
He said: "The division is not about defeating the government at all. It is about saying the Budget will go through.He said: "The division is not about defeating the government at all. It is about saying the Budget will go through.
"But, as it goes through, we want a commitment from the government that those maybe five million plus people who lose out as a result of the abolition of the 10p [rate] will be compensated for that loss and that that compensation will be backdated to the beginning of the financial year.""But, as it goes through, we want a commitment from the government that those maybe five million plus people who lose out as a result of the abolition of the 10p [rate] will be compensated for that loss and that that compensation will be backdated to the beginning of the financial year."
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It is not known how many Labour MPs will vote against the abolition of the 10p rate but more than 70 have signed motions raising concerns about the issue.It is not known how many Labour MPs will vote against the abolition of the 10p rate but more than 70 have signed motions raising concerns about the issue.
If all the opposition parties vote against, then 36 Labour rebels would be needed to defeat the government.
Pendle MP Gordon Prentice said: "People who have lost out have got to be fully compensated and they have got to be told when they are going to get their money by the end of next week."Pendle MP Gordon Prentice said: "People who have lost out have got to be fully compensated and they have got to be told when they are going to get their money by the end of next week."
'We get it'
He added: "The fact is that if the Budget goes down, if this key clause goes down, then I don't think the government can survive."He added: "The fact is that if the Budget goes down, if this key clause goes down, then I don't think the government can survive."
Mr Brown tried to head off the rebellion on Monday by promising to "sort out" the financial impact of the tax change on some of Britain's poorest households. Mr Brown tried to head off the rebellion at a Parliamentary Labour Party meeting on Monday by promising to "sort out" the financial impact of the tax change on some of Britain's poorest households.
BBC political editor Nick Robinson said the prime minister had told a meeting of the Parliamentary Labour Party that people wanted to know: "Do I get it?"
He went on to say that "we get it", and promised that Treasury ministers would talk to those with concerns.
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Chancellor Alistair Darling has said he "would return" in future Budgets to help those hit by the move.
Under the tax changes, which came into force this month, low earners who would have paid income tax at the lowest, introductory 10% rate now have to pay the 20% rate.Under the tax changes, which came into force this month, low earners who would have paid income tax at the lowest, introductory 10% rate now have to pay the 20% rate.
Meanwhile, the basic rate of income tax has been lowered from 22p to 20p.Meanwhile, the basic rate of income tax has been lowered from 22p to 20p.
The Commons Treasury committee has said single people with no children earning under £18,500 will lose up to £232 a year as a result of the changes.The Commons Treasury committee has said single people with no children earning under £18,500 will lose up to £232 a year as a result of the changes.
Scrapping the 10p rate was part of a range of measures which took effect earlier this month. Child benefits, state pensions and tax credits have gone up.Scrapping the 10p rate was part of a range of measures which took effect earlier this month. Child benefits, state pensions and tax credits have gone up.
The government says the changes are already benefiting millions of people.The government says the changes are already benefiting millions of people.