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| Trump implies 'second amendment folks' could stop Clinton judge picks – as it happened | |
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| Salman Rushdie, himself no stranger to threats of assassination, has delivered his verdict on the nature of Donald Trump’s remarks: | |
| Of course the Trump flacks are now trying to confuse the issue, but Senator Murphy is clear about what Trump meant. https://t.co/7fDmDyCSjw | |
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| US Secret Service, on Donald Trump’s comments: | US Secret Service, on Donald Trump’s comments: |
| The Secret Service is aware of the comment. | The Secret Service is aware of the comment. |
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| The NRA might have changed the channel a little early. | The NRA might have changed the channel a little early. |
| .@RealDonaldTrump is right. If @HillaryClinton gets to pick her anti-#2A #SCOTUS judges, there’s nothing we can do. #NeverHillary | .@RealDonaldTrump is right. If @HillaryClinton gets to pick her anti-#2A #SCOTUS judges, there’s nothing we can do. #NeverHillary |
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| Donald Trump’s campaign’s initial clarification of his remarks in Wilmington, North Carolina, today was to blame the “dishonest media” for quoting Trump as saying that the use of firearms could be considered a logical recourse in the event of Hillary Clinton’s selection of supreme court justices. So, in the interest of providing as much information as possible to American readers and voters, here are Trump’s full comments regarding the Second Amendment today: | Donald Trump’s campaign’s initial clarification of his remarks in Wilmington, North Carolina, today was to blame the “dishonest media” for quoting Trump as saying that the use of firearms could be considered a logical recourse in the event of Hillary Clinton’s selection of supreme court justices. So, in the interest of providing as much information as possible to American readers and voters, here are Trump’s full comments regarding the Second Amendment today: |
| Hillary wants to abolish, essentially, the Second Amendment. By the way, if she gets to pick, if she gets to pick her judges, nothing you can do, folks. Although the Second Amendment people, maybe there is, I dunno. But I tell you what, that will be a horrible day. If Hillary gets to put her judges in, right now we’re tied. You see what’s going on. We’re tied ‘cause Scalia, this was not supposed to happen. Justice Scalia was going to be around for ten more years, at least, and this is what happened. That was a horrible thing, So now look at it. So Hillary essentially wants to abolish the second amendment. | Hillary wants to abolish, essentially, the Second Amendment. By the way, if she gets to pick, if she gets to pick her judges, nothing you can do, folks. Although the Second Amendment people, maybe there is, I dunno. But I tell you what, that will be a horrible day. If Hillary gets to put her judges in, right now we’re tied. You see what’s going on. We’re tied ‘cause Scalia, this was not supposed to happen. Justice Scalia was going to be around for ten more years, at least, and this is what happened. That was a horrible thing, So now look at it. So Hillary essentially wants to abolish the second amendment. |
| Now speaking to the NRA folks, who are great: when you, when you, and I tell you, so they endorsed me. They endorsed me very early. My sons are members. I’m a member. If you, we can add, I think the National Rifle Association, we can add the Second Amendment to the justices, they almost go, in a certain way, hand and hand. Now the justices are going to do things that are so important. And we have such great justices. You saw my list of eleven that have been vetted and respected and have gotten great, and they, a little bit, equate. | Now speaking to the NRA folks, who are great: when you, when you, and I tell you, so they endorsed me. They endorsed me very early. My sons are members. I’m a member. If you, we can add, I think the National Rifle Association, we can add the Second Amendment to the justices, they almost go, in a certain way, hand and hand. Now the justices are going to do things that are so important. And we have such great justices. You saw my list of eleven that have been vetted and respected and have gotten great, and they, a little bit, equate. |
| But if you don’t do what’s the right thing, you’re not going to have - either you’re not going to have a Second Amendment or you’re not going to have much of it left. And you’re not going to be able to protect yourselves, which you need. Which you need! When the bad guys burst into your hours, they’re not looking about Second Amendments and ‘do I have the right to do this.’ The bad guys aren’t going to be giving up their weapons. But the good people will say, ‘oh, well, that’s the law.’ No, no. Not going to happen. We can’t let it happen. We can’t let it happen. | But if you don’t do what’s the right thing, you’re not going to have - either you’re not going to have a Second Amendment or you’re not going to have much of it left. And you’re not going to be able to protect yourselves, which you need. Which you need! When the bad guys burst into your hours, they’re not looking about Second Amendments and ‘do I have the right to do this.’ The bad guys aren’t going to be giving up their weapons. But the good people will say, ‘oh, well, that’s the law.’ No, no. Not going to happen. We can’t let it happen. We can’t let it happen. |
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| Video: Donald Trump implying that the use of firearms might be adequate response to Hillary Clinton’s selection of supreme court justices. | Video: Donald Trump implying that the use of firearms might be adequate response to Hillary Clinton’s selection of supreme court justices. |
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| Roger Stone, an informal adviser to the Trump campaign, implied last month to internet agitator Milo Yiannopoulos that the notion of discrediting the election as “illegitimate” is part of Trump’s campaign strategy. | Roger Stone, an informal adviser to the Trump campaign, implied last month to internet agitator Milo Yiannopoulos that the notion of discrediting the election as “illegitimate” is part of Trump’s campaign strategy. |
| “I think we have widespread voter fraud, but the first thing that Trump needs to do is begin talking about it constantly,” Stone said. “He needs to say for example, today would be a perfect example: ‘I am leading in Florida. The polls all show it. If I lose Florida, we will know that there’s voter fraud. If there’s voter fraud, this election will be illegitimate, the election of the winner will be illegitimate, we will have a constitutional crisis, widespread civil disobedience, and the government will no longer be the government.’” | “I think we have widespread voter fraud, but the first thing that Trump needs to do is begin talking about it constantly,” Stone said. “He needs to say for example, today would be a perfect example: ‘I am leading in Florida. The polls all show it. If I lose Florida, we will know that there’s voter fraud. If there’s voter fraud, this election will be illegitimate, the election of the winner will be illegitimate, we will have a constitutional crisis, widespread civil disobedience, and the government will no longer be the government.’” |
| “If you can’t have an honest election, nothing else counts,” Stone continued. “I think he’s gotta put them on notice that their inauguration will be a rhetorical, and when I mean civil disobedience, not violence, but it will be a bloodbath. The government will be shut down if they attempt to steal this and swear Hillary in. No, we will not stand for it. We will not stand for it.” | “If you can’t have an honest election, nothing else counts,” Stone continued. “I think he’s gotta put them on notice that their inauguration will be a rhetorical, and when I mean civil disobedience, not violence, but it will be a bloodbath. The government will be shut down if they attempt to steal this and swear Hillary in. No, we will not stand for it. We will not stand for it.” |
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| Ex-CIA director Michael Hayden, on Trump’s comment: | Ex-CIA director Michael Hayden, on Trump’s comment: |
| If someone said that outside hall, they’d be in a police wagon being questioned by Secret Service. | If someone said that outside hall, they’d be in a police wagon being questioned by Secret Service. |
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| Note: Threatening to kill, kidnap, or inflict bodily harm on a presidential candidate is a felony, punishable with up to five years in prison. | Note: Threatening to kill, kidnap, or inflict bodily harm on a presidential candidate is a felony, punishable with up to five years in prison. |
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| The last time that a major candidate joked - or appeared to offhandedly suggest - that their opponent be assassinated, it helped result in their resounding defeat. | The last time that a major candidate joked - or appeared to offhandedly suggest - that their opponent be assassinated, it helped result in their resounding defeat. |
| In 2010, Nevada senate candidate Sharron Angle said in a radio interview that the Second Amendment’s right to bear arms could be construed to encourage firearm-bearing Americans to throw off the shackles of elected officials, including her then-opponent, senate minority leader Harry Reid. | In 2010, Nevada senate candidate Sharron Angle said in a radio interview that the Second Amendment’s right to bear arms could be construed to encourage firearm-bearing Americans to throw off the shackles of elected officials, including her then-opponent, senate minority leader Harry Reid. |
| “I feel that the Second Amendment is the right to keep and bear arms for our citizenry,” Angle said at the time. “This not for someone who’s in the military. This not for law enforcement. This is for us. And in fact when you read that Constitution and the founding fathers, they intended this to stop tyranny. This is for us when our government becomes tyrannical.” | “I feel that the Second Amendment is the right to keep and bear arms for our citizenry,” Angle said at the time. “This not for someone who’s in the military. This not for law enforcement. This is for us. And in fact when you read that Constitution and the founding fathers, they intended this to stop tyranny. This is for us when our government becomes tyrannical.” |
| “It’s to defend ourselves. And you know, I’m hoping that we’re not getting to Second Amendment remedies. I hope the vote will be the cure for the Harry Reid problems.” | |
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| Members of Congress are already responding to Donald Trump’s comments, reading them as a call for Hillary Clinton’s assassination or that of her would-be supreme court nominee: | Members of Congress are already responding to Donald Trump’s comments, reading them as a call for Hillary Clinton’s assassination or that of her would-be supreme court nominee: |
| Donald Trump suggested someone kill Sec. Clinton. We must take people at their word. @SecretService must investigate #TrumpThreat. | Donald Trump suggested someone kill Sec. Clinton. We must take people at their word. @SecretService must investigate #TrumpThreat. |
| Was @realDonaldTrump suggesting his supporters shoot Hillary? Shoot her nominee? Who knows. It's all so disgusting and embarrassing and sad. | Was @realDonaldTrump suggesting his supporters shoot Hillary? Shoot her nominee? Who knows. It's all so disgusting and embarrassing and sad. |
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| Clinton campaign: 'What Trump is saying is dangerous' | Clinton campaign: 'What Trump is saying is dangerous' |
| In comment provided to the Guardian, Hillary Clinton campaign manager Robby Mook called Trump’s suggestion that firearms be used in response to Hillary Clinton’s nomination of supreme court judges “dangerous.” | In comment provided to the Guardian, Hillary Clinton campaign manager Robby Mook called Trump’s suggestion that firearms be used in response to Hillary Clinton’s nomination of supreme court judges “dangerous.” |
| This is simple - what Trump is saying is dangerous. A person seeking to the be President of the United States should not suggest violence in any way. | This is simple - what Trump is saying is dangerous. A person seeking to the be President of the United States should not suggest violence in any way. |
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| Donald Trump campaign: '2nd Amendment people have amazing spirit and are tremendously unified' | Donald Trump campaign: '2nd Amendment people have amazing spirit and are tremendously unified' |
| Donald Trump’s presidential campaign has responded to accusations that the candidate implied that the use of firearms might be an appropriate response to Hillary Clinton’s election to the presidency and nomination of supreme court judges, blasting “dishonest media” for quoting Trump. | Donald Trump’s presidential campaign has responded to accusations that the candidate implied that the use of firearms might be an appropriate response to Hillary Clinton’s election to the presidency and nomination of supreme court judges, blasting “dishonest media” for quoting Trump. |
| “It’s called the power of unification – 2nd Amendment people have amazing spirit and are tremendously unified, which gives them great political power,” Jason Miller, the campaign’s senior communications adviser, said in a statement. “And this year, they will be voting in record numbers, and it won’t be for Hillary Clinton, it will be for Donald Trump.” | “It’s called the power of unification – 2nd Amendment people have amazing spirit and are tremendously unified, which gives them great political power,” Jason Miller, the campaign’s senior communications adviser, said in a statement. “And this year, they will be voting in record numbers, and it won’t be for Hillary Clinton, it will be for Donald Trump.” |