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| Guardian social: a live look at the week's news, from Trotsky to grilled cheese | Guardian social: a live look at the week's news, from Trotsky to grilled cheese |
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| Why does everywhere 'hip' end up looking the same? | |
| Will Coldwell | |
| Ever notice that “cool” places all look the same? Last week writer Kyle Chayka explored this phenomenon in an essay in the Verge, describing the way tech-led travel is homogenising what we consider to be the desirable hallmarks of any given destination. “Everywhere you go, seemingly hip, unique spaces have a way of looking the same, whether it’s bars or restaurants, fashion boutiques or shared office spaces,” he wrote in a follow-up piece for the Guardian, describing its key features as “reclaimed wood, Edison bulbs, and refurbished industrial lighting”. | |
| Chayka dubs this style “Airspace”. Its function? Making a particularly elite demographic of global travellers feel comfortable and at home as they skip from city to city booking apartments on Airbnb, checking into the local co-working hub and meeting up with fellow “digital nomads” for an ideas jam (or whatever) at the nearest coffee joint. | |
| It’s a subject I’ve thought about a lot in the past, travelling to different cities for Guardian Travel. While Chayka focuses on the aesthetic of Airspace and the way it has been driven by a group of people who “move through spaces linked by technology”, I’ve always thought more about how the people themselves could be defined. “Hipsters” doesn’t seem to cut it, nor are these simply the “upper classes”. I think it goes beyond the Silicon Valley kids too. A particular class is emerging in the world who aren’t bound by location, and places – particularly cities – are evolving rapidly to accommodate them and their collective tastes. Airspace is a good first step in opening up a critical discussion about who these people are. | |
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| Are Corbyn supporters delusional? The best comment and debate below the line | Are Corbyn supporters delusional? The best comment and debate below the line |
| Guardian readers | Guardian readers |
| This week we enjoyed the discussion beneath Ellie Mae O’Hagan’s article on Corbyn supporters. She argued that the Labour leader’s followers are aware of his failings, but he represents a set of values that have been marginalised in politics – and which are worth fighting for. In response you said this: | This week we enjoyed the discussion beneath Ellie Mae O’Hagan’s article on Corbyn supporters. She argued that the Labour leader’s followers are aware of his failings, but he represents a set of values that have been marginalised in politics – and which are worth fighting for. In response you said this: |
| Related: Corbyn supporters are not delusional Leninists but ordinary, fed-up voters | Ellie Mae O’Hagan | Related: Corbyn supporters are not delusional Leninists but ordinary, fed-up voters | Ellie Mae O’Hagan |
| Kipwar | Kipwar |
| Good article, in particular this comment … | Good article, in particular this comment … |
| “But I have zero sympathy with those in the party who have been utterly unwilling to engage with Corbyn supporters” | “But I have zero sympathy with those in the party who have been utterly unwilling to engage with Corbyn supporters” |
| I feel one of the many reasons so many people are up in arms on this forum is the fact that Eagle/Smith supporters are just assuming everyone who supports Corbyn is a stone cold hard lefter. They really need to sit down and reflect on why they are losing voters, and not just since Corbyn. Scotland and the north are abandoning Labour in droves, not because of Corbyn but because of how Labour has acted prior to this. Pretty much the entirety of Labour in Scotland being wiped out was because of his predecessors, not him. | I feel one of the many reasons so many people are up in arms on this forum is the fact that Eagle/Smith supporters are just assuming everyone who supports Corbyn is a stone cold hard lefter. They really need to sit down and reflect on why they are losing voters, and not just since Corbyn. Scotland and the north are abandoning Labour in droves, not because of Corbyn but because of how Labour has acted prior to this. Pretty much the entirety of Labour in Scotland being wiped out was because of his predecessors, not him. |
| This coup has done nothing positive. | This coup has done nothing positive. |
| Robin Wilde | Robin Wilde |
| I know a couple of decent Corbynites. But when they don’t show up to canvassing, and only turn up at meetings when it’s to shout down and roll their eyes at anyone more moderate, and then spend their days leaping on everyone on Twitter, calling me a red Tory, Blairite Scum, on the “far right” for god’s sake, what are we supposed to think of them? | I know a couple of decent Corbynites. But when they don’t show up to canvassing, and only turn up at meetings when it’s to shout down and roll their eyes at anyone more moderate, and then spend their days leaping on everyone on Twitter, calling me a red Tory, Blairite Scum, on the “far right” for god’s sake, what are we supposed to think of them? |
| If we’re dismissive, or angry, or hurt in response to them, it’s not because we hate them personally, it’s out of frustration and deep, lasting despair. I have lost sleep over the past few weeks because of the fact that I’ve lost good Labour friends over the fact that I don’t think the current leader’s very good. | If we’re dismissive, or angry, or hurt in response to them, it’s not because we hate them personally, it’s out of frustration and deep, lasting despair. I have lost sleep over the past few weeks because of the fact that I’ve lost good Labour friends over the fact that I don’t think the current leader’s very good. |
| The party’s hurtling off a cliff, and it doesn’t make it any better that it’s all smiles on the way down. | The party’s hurtling off a cliff, and it doesn’t make it any better that it’s all smiles on the way down. |
| Queequeg7 | Queequeg7 |
| Most of us who support Corbyn do so without any illusions. We simply want a party which reflects our opinions and beliefs, which puts equality and fairness before austerity, which builds homes and an NHS for everyone, which gets rid of tuition fees and tax havens, which put peace and principle before arms sales, which puts the environment before exploitation, which puts rights before wrongs … Labour and Tory have been interchangeable since Blair and look where it’s got us. Corbyn breaks with the consensus. And that’s what’s needed. That’s why we support him. | Most of us who support Corbyn do so without any illusions. We simply want a party which reflects our opinions and beliefs, which puts equality and fairness before austerity, which builds homes and an NHS for everyone, which gets rid of tuition fees and tax havens, which put peace and principle before arms sales, which puts the environment before exploitation, which puts rights before wrongs … Labour and Tory have been interchangeable since Blair and look where it’s got us. Corbyn breaks with the consensus. And that’s what’s needed. That’s why we support him. |
| Obviously it helps that he’s a truthful, kind, decent person … but it’s the politics, stupid. | Obviously it helps that he’s a truthful, kind, decent person … but it’s the politics, stupid. |
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| In search of the perfect grilled cheese | In search of the perfect grilled cheese |
| Dale Berning Sawa | Dale Berning Sawa |
| Food52 – the one website guaranteed to make you hungry, no matter the hour – has just published another of its genius recipes under the headline “Ruth Reichl’s Grilled Cheese is Genius, and Completely Out of Control”. I clicked, because, I mean, of course I clicked: it’s grilled cheese. One clicks. But also, I was intrigued to see if Reichl could better what is ostensibly (according to every single person I’ve met who’s eaten one) the world’s greatest grilled cheese: Bill Oglethorpe’s Borough Market three-cheese toastie. Now I don’t know if the two cooks know each other, but assuming they don’t, the comparison is instructive. Reichl and Oglethorpe both plump for sourdough, cheddar and alliums, all in large quantities (thick slices of bread, mountains of grated cheese, and a medley of different coloured onions, garlic and leek, very finely chopped). And the recipes don’t so much differ as compete. Oglethorpe combines his cheddar with a washed rind and some comté, while Reichl adds both green onion and shallots to her veg. She also really pushes the boat out, adding butter on the inside of the bread, and mayo and extra cheese on the outside, because, as Food52 puts it, “at this point, why not?” Stella McCartney did an interview in October 2009, sitting in a west London cafe eating scrambled eggs on rye. And the only reason I remember this is because of a throwaway line in brackets at the end of the sixth paragraph: “What I really want, what I always really want,” she said, musing on her eggs, “is baked potato and grilled cheese … But then I’d be really fat.” Maybe you would be, I’ve always thought, but oh so very happy every time: grilled cheese – on a baked tattie or spiked with alliums and sandwiched in sourdough – is a true thing of beauty. | Food52 – the one website guaranteed to make you hungry, no matter the hour – has just published another of its genius recipes under the headline “Ruth Reichl’s Grilled Cheese is Genius, and Completely Out of Control”. I clicked, because, I mean, of course I clicked: it’s grilled cheese. One clicks. But also, I was intrigued to see if Reichl could better what is ostensibly (according to every single person I’ve met who’s eaten one) the world’s greatest grilled cheese: Bill Oglethorpe’s Borough Market three-cheese toastie. Now I don’t know if the two cooks know each other, but assuming they don’t, the comparison is instructive. Reichl and Oglethorpe both plump for sourdough, cheddar and alliums, all in large quantities (thick slices of bread, mountains of grated cheese, and a medley of different coloured onions, garlic and leek, very finely chopped). And the recipes don’t so much differ as compete. Oglethorpe combines his cheddar with a washed rind and some comté, while Reichl adds both green onion and shallots to her veg. She also really pushes the boat out, adding butter on the inside of the bread, and mayo and extra cheese on the outside, because, as Food52 puts it, “at this point, why not?” Stella McCartney did an interview in October 2009, sitting in a west London cafe eating scrambled eggs on rye. And the only reason I remember this is because of a throwaway line in brackets at the end of the sixth paragraph: “What I really want, what I always really want,” she said, musing on her eggs, “is baked potato and grilled cheese … But then I’d be really fat.” Maybe you would be, I’ve always thought, but oh so very happy every time: grilled cheese – on a baked tattie or spiked with alliums and sandwiched in sourdough – is a true thing of beauty. |
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| Our most-read this week | Our most-read this week |
| Sarah Marsh | Sarah Marsh |
| Olympics mania has finally hit, evident by our most-read articles this week. Our readers seemed to particularly enjoy our live blog of day five in Rio, detailing Australian swimmer Kyle Chalmers winning gold in the 100m freestyle. Olympic swimming also garnered attention for less celebratory reasons – with serious discrepancies in the entry times putting the sport’s credibility in doubt. | Olympics mania has finally hit, evident by our most-read articles this week. Our readers seemed to particularly enjoy our live blog of day five in Rio, detailing Australian swimmer Kyle Chalmers winning gold in the 100m freestyle. Olympic swimming also garnered attention for less celebratory reasons – with serious discrepancies in the entry times putting the sport’s credibility in doubt. |
| Related: Rio day five: Australia's Chalmers wins gold as Phelps edges Lochte – as it happened | Related: Rio day five: Australia's Chalmers wins gold as Phelps edges Lochte – as it happened |
| People also wanted to know – why is the Olympic diving pool green? Answers on a postcard please. | People also wanted to know – why is the Olympic diving pool green? Answers on a postcard please. |
| Related: Olympic swimming’s credibility in doubt after questions over entry times | Related: Olympic swimming’s credibility in doubt after questions over entry times |
| Related: Why is the Olympic diving pool green? The good news is it's not urine | Related: Why is the Olympic diving pool green? The good news is it's not urine |
| Now let’s talk politics. Also among our most-read was the news that Jeremy Corbyn and his deputy Tom Watson are locked in a public spat about whether the party risks being taken over by hard left activists who were driven out in the 1980s. | Now let’s talk politics. Also among our most-read was the news that Jeremy Corbyn and his deputy Tom Watson are locked in a public spat about whether the party risks being taken over by hard left activists who were driven out in the 1980s. |
| And no news week would be complete without Donald Trump rearing his (not-so attractive) head. He caused a stir this week after he was accused of making an “assassination threat” against rival Hillary Clinton. | And no news week would be complete without Donald Trump rearing his (not-so attractive) head. He caused a stir this week after he was accused of making an “assassination threat” against rival Hillary Clinton. |
| The Guardian’s Lucia Graves wrote about this (in an article that also featured in our most-read) saying: “This is a new low even for Trump, who’s been accused of inciting general violence and has verbally attacked individuals from Khizr Khan to Rosie O’Donnell. But he’s never seemed to incite it against individuals – until now.” | The Guardian’s Lucia Graves wrote about this (in an article that also featured in our most-read) saying: “This is a new low even for Trump, who’s been accused of inciting general violence and has verbally attacked individuals from Khizr Khan to Rosie O’Donnell. But he’s never seemed to incite it against individuals – until now.” |
| Related: Donald Trump hints at assassination of Hillary Clinton by gun rights supporters | Related: Donald Trump hints at assassination of Hillary Clinton by gun rights supporters |
| Related: This is Donald Trump at his lowest yet: a man hinting at murder | Lucia Graves | Related: This is Donald Trump at his lowest yet: a man hinting at murder | Lucia Graves |
| Share your favourite stories this week in the comments. | Share your favourite stories this week in the comments. |
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| Welcome to our weekly social | Welcome to our weekly social |
| Sarah Marsh | Sarah Marsh |
| Welcome to our weekly online gathering for our readers to come together to discuss the week’s news and comment, as well as sharing projects and ideas. | Welcome to our weekly online gathering for our readers to come together to discuss the week’s news and comment, as well as sharing projects and ideas. |
| We want to create a community space for our readers to talk to us as well as each other, and your involvement in how this evolves is key, so share ideas here. | We want to create a community space for our readers to talk to us as well as each other, and your involvement in how this evolves is key, so share ideas here. |
| We will update the blog above the line with views from inside the building, including insight from our journalists on articles they’ve worked on. Today we have some lovely stuff lined up, including food writer Dale Berning Sawa on her favourite recipe (hint: it involves cheese) and assistant media editor Jasper Jackson on interviewing Zoella’s manager. | We will update the blog above the line with views from inside the building, including insight from our journalists on articles they’ve worked on. Today we have some lovely stuff lined up, including food writer Dale Berning Sawa on her favourite recipe (hint: it involves cheese) and assistant media editor Jasper Jackson on interviewing Zoella’s manager. |
| Looking forward to hearing what’s on your minds this week. | Looking forward to hearing what’s on your minds this week. |