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Barnaby Joyce fills in for Malcolm Turnbull in question time – politics live Peter Dutton says most terrorism charges laid against Lebanese Muslims – politics live
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The Shorten question to Peter Dutton, with his answer.
.@billshortenmp asks Peter Dutton to explain his controversial comments on Malcolm Fraser's immigration policies #qt https://t.co/v0NXF1r4kA
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The whole Malcolm Fraser-Peter Dutton issue arose from an Andrew Bolt interview on Sky last week. This is what Dutton said originally.
If there is a particular problem that people can point to within a certain community, and we’re talking about a significant number of people in that community who are doing the wrong thing, then clearly mistakes have been made in the past.
The reality is that Malcolm Fraser did make mistakes in bringing some people in in the 1970s and we’re seeing that today. We need to be honest in having that discussion.
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In giving the answer, Dutton said it wasn’t fair to define the majority of one group based on a small minority. But by naming the group, he has just defined them.
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Immigration minister Peter Dutton’s comments are pretty extraordinary.
He doubles down.
If the Leader of the Opposition wants somehow to conduct a phony debate in this country and not to be honest in relation to these matters, that’s an issue for him. We are doing all that we can through our intelligence agencies and through our border protection agencies to make sure that we detect offences before they occur to make sure that in particular we can disrupt these terrorist offences in particular before they take place. But I’m not going to shy away from the facts.
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Peter Dutton says second and third generation Lebanese Muslims make up majority of terrorism related charges
Labor again asks who Peter Dutton was referring to when he suggested Malcolm Fraser made a mistake bringing some migrants to Australia.
Dutton approaches the dispatch box quietly. It is clear he will answer the question. His fellow MPs sit behind him stony faced.
The advice I have is that out of the last 33 people who have been charged with terrorist-related offences in this country, 22 of those people are from second and third generation Lebanese-Muslim background. I’m not going to allow [those] who are hard-working, who have done the right thing by this country, who have contributed, who have worked hard, who have educated their children, I’m not going to allow those people to be defined by those people who are doing the wrong thing and have been charged with terrorist offences or have been involved in crime otherwise.
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Free range Barnaby.Free range Barnaby.
Acting PM Barnaby Joyce free-ranging during #QT @gabriellechan @GuardianAus #politicslive pic.twitter.com/qIkjrK2oNIActing PM Barnaby Joyce free-ranging during #QT @gabriellechan @GuardianAus #politicslive pic.twitter.com/qIkjrK2oNI
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Bill Shorten asks immigration minister Peter Dutton about his comments: “The reality is Malcolm Fraser did make mistakes in bringing some people in the 1970s.” Which people was the minister referring to? And will the minister now apologise to Australia’s hard working migrant communities, including but not limited to the Vietnamese community?Bill Shorten asks immigration minister Peter Dutton about his comments: “The reality is Malcolm Fraser did make mistakes in bringing some people in the 1970s.” Which people was the minister referring to? And will the minister now apologise to Australia’s hard working migrant communities, including but not limited to the Vietnamese community?
PDuddy fires up big time.PDuddy fires up big time.
I’m not going to be misrepresented by this great fraud of Australian politics. I can assure you of that. I won’t be bullied by this union leader.I’m not going to be misrepresented by this great fraud of Australian politics. I can assure you of that. I won’t be bullied by this union leader.
He says:He says:
I made the point last week that we do have concerns about elements within the Australian society at the moment, in particular some of those who have been involved in criminal activity. Some of those people who have been involved in heading off to Syria and to Iraq and I’m not going to allow the rest of the community, the rest of the community in Sydney and Melbourne in particular to be defined by those small elements who are besmirching the vast majority of people within their own communities. I’m not going to allow that to happen.I made the point last week that we do have concerns about elements within the Australian society at the moment, in particular some of those who have been involved in criminal activity. Some of those people who have been involved in heading off to Syria and to Iraq and I’m not going to allow the rest of the community, the rest of the community in Sydney and Melbourne in particular to be defined by those small elements who are besmirching the vast majority of people within their own communities. I’m not going to allow that to happen.
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Labor to Joyce: Given the 450 gigalitres is to be acquired through investment with on farm infrastructure. Taxpayers paying for farmers to improve their infrastructure, won’t that be negative? Isn’t the case the National party is looking for any excuse while the PM is away to tear apart the bipartisan consensus on the Murray Darling?Labor to Joyce: Given the 450 gigalitres is to be acquired through investment with on farm infrastructure. Taxpayers paying for farmers to improve their infrastructure, won’t that be negative? Isn’t the case the National party is looking for any excuse while the PM is away to tear apart the bipartisan consensus on the Murray Darling?
I did not entirely understand the answer but I think he said that the Labor South Australia water minister Ian Hunter should turn up to meetings for longer than 10 minutes.I did not entirely understand the answer but I think he said that the Labor South Australia water minister Ian Hunter should turn up to meetings for longer than 10 minutes.
Just by the by, regarding those profanities, SA premier Jay Weatherill has suggested of Ian Hunter’s behaviour:Just by the by, regarding those profanities, SA premier Jay Weatherill has suggested of Ian Hunter’s behaviour:
He was entirely appropriate in his sentiments.He was entirely appropriate in his sentiments.
Weatherill said it in a 5AA podcast in South Australia at around the 16:50 mark.Weatherill said it in a 5AA podcast in South Australia at around the 16:50 mark.
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Labor to Barnaby Joyce: Yesterday when speaking about the Acting PM’s plan to dismantle the Murray Darling Basin plan, Senator Xenophon said and I quote, “Barnaby was free ranging the other day. It doesn’t reflect the whole ofGovernment policy.” Who communicated this message to Senator Xenophon and was the Senator correct? Was it fair to describe the acting PM as free ranging? Labor to Barnaby Joyce: Yesterday when speaking about the Acting PM’s plan to dismantle the Murray Darling Basin plan, Senator Xenophon said and I quote, “Barnaby was free ranging the other day. It doesn’t reflect the whole of government policy.” Who communicated this message to Senator Xenophon and was the Senator correct? Was it fair to describe the acting PM as free ranging?
This relates to a fight between the South Australian water minister, Ian Hunter, the Victorian minister and Joyce last week.This relates to a fight between the South Australian water minister, Ian Hunter, the Victorian minister and Joyce last week.
Hunter yelled profanities at Joyce and the Victorian minister when they suggested that South Australia would not get its extra 450GL under the Murray Darling Plan.Hunter yelled profanities at Joyce and the Victorian minister when they suggested that South Australia would not get its extra 450GL under the Murray Darling Plan.
Joyce tells parliament that the legislation says any water delivered has to “neutral or improved socioeconomic outcomes” for communities.Joyce tells parliament that the legislation says any water delivered has to “neutral or improved socioeconomic outcomes” for communities.
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Joel Fitzgibbon to Barnaby Joyce: Can the acting PM confirm he doctored his Hansard, forced out the departmental secretary who dared to question his integrity, announced the relocation of the APVMA to his own electorate without releasing the cost benefit analysis, and is free ranging against his colleagues on the Murray Darling Basin, contrary to the PM? Does the acting PM agree with this division in his wake, he’s looking more like the Liberal PM every day?Joel Fitzgibbon to Barnaby Joyce: Can the acting PM confirm he doctored his Hansard, forced out the departmental secretary who dared to question his integrity, announced the relocation of the APVMA to his own electorate without releasing the cost benefit analysis, and is free ranging against his colleagues on the Murray Darling Basin, contrary to the PM? Does the acting PM agree with this division in his wake, he’s looking more like the Liberal PM every day?
Joyce says, no he didn’t doctor the Hansard.Joyce says, no he didn’t doctor the Hansard.
Joyce says, yes he does believe in decentralisation.Joyce says, yes he does believe in decentralisation.
Joyce says, yes he has a vision.Joyce says, yes he has a vision.
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Industry minister Greg Hunt gets a government question on the rule of law within industry. CFMEU.Industry minister Greg Hunt gets a government question on the rule of law within industry. CFMEU.
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Tanya Plibersek to Barnaby Joyce: The National party education minister in NSW Adrian Piccoli said about Labor’s plan for extra schools funding, “The national support of the reforms right from the start. It’s good policy that benefits country schools and country kids. We don’t play politics with our children’s future.” Does the acting PM agree with his Nationals colleague, or will he continue to make excuses for the government’s policies of cuts that will see every country kid in every country school worse off?Tanya Plibersek to Barnaby Joyce: The National party education minister in NSW Adrian Piccoli said about Labor’s plan for extra schools funding, “The national support of the reforms right from the start. It’s good policy that benefits country schools and country kids. We don’t play politics with our children’s future.” Does the acting PM agree with his Nationals colleague, or will he continue to make excuses for the government’s policies of cuts that will see every country kid in every country school worse off?
Barnaby Joyce says the Coalition put more money into schools.Barnaby Joyce says the Coalition put more money into schools.
And he says Labor is only trying help out the Teachers Federation who hands out for the party on election day.And he says Labor is only trying help out the Teachers Federation who hands out for the party on election day.
He says we are not going to follow the dictums of the Teachers Federation, “we will look after the students”.He says we are not going to follow the dictums of the Teachers Federation, “we will look after the students”.
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Trade and tourism minister Steve Ciobo gets a government question on the 2018 Commonwealth Games on the Gold Coast.
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A government question on alleged union corruption to Christopher Pyne.
Labor’s Chris Bowen to Scott Morrison: If the government drops its plan for a big business tax cut, which costs the budget $50bn, will it be more or less likely that the budget will be in balance in 2021?
Scott Morrison is not going to engage in hypotheticals.
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Greens MP Adam Bandt to Josh Frydenberg, energy and environment minister: At the recent global climate summit, the US climate envoy said because of rapid melting in Antarctica, current levels of global warming can see 1.5m of sea level rise by 2050. Even if the world stopped all pollution tomorrow, by the time a child born today reaches her 30s she would live in a world where the sea is 1.5m higher than now. This isn’t a Green group or climate activists saying this, it’s the US Government. Given our coastal capital cities, what would be the impacts on Australian’s homes, businesses and infrastructure if sea levels rise by 1. 5m?
Frydenberg does not answer the question .
It’s OK for the Member for Melbourne to put his sandals upon the seat, sip his soy latte and sit in the streets of Brunswick and say it’s the end of coal because he put out a press release saying it was the end of coal, to celebrate the loss of jobs in the La Trobe Valley for the people of Hazelwood. Shame on him.
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Labor’s Chris Bowen to Barnaby Joyce: Reports today confirm that MYEFO will be released on December 19 and the deficit will be up. Why has the treasurer refused to confirm the government’s own budget papers, which show a return to surplus in 2021? Isn’t this the case the government is so chaotic it would prefer to keep its $50bn tax cut for big business rather than retain Australia’s triple-A credit rating?
Bluster follows and then Joyce flicks the question to Scott Morrison, who then says:
What I said on ABC Radio this morning is we’ll return to surplus when expenditure is less than revenue.
Lols. No answer appears.
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The government question is on the CFMEU.
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Labor’s Jenny Macklin to Barnaby Joyce: Under this government’s latest cuts to paid parental leave, a woman working at Coles would lose 10 weeks of paid parental leave, a loss of around $6,700. Can the acting PM explain to mums working at Coles why he thinks that cutting the amount of time they can spend at home breast-feeding their newborn babies is fair?
Barnaby Joyce:
We’re doing so much in this nation to make sure that we are both fair and we are responsible. But we are fair and responsible because we acknowledge, we acknowledge that the task that was left to us by a Labor government, a previous Labor government that left us hundreds of billions of dollars in debt.
Joyce flicks the question to the social services minister, Christian Porter.
Porter accuses Macklin of “unhitching her wagon from the truth”. He says Macklin’s suggestion that women on a median income of $43,000 would be affected by changes to the paid parental leave scheme were not correct.
Not only have you unhitched your wagon from the truth, you have taken a fact and deliberately stated it opposite to try and scare mums into believing they would be affected when they would not be.
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Bob has arrived.
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Barnaby Joyce, the deputy prime minister and Nationals leader, is leading the government as Malcolm Turnbull is still away for Apec.
Tanya Plibersek to Scott Morrison: I refer to an FOI request about paid parental leave submitted to the treasurer’s office when he was social services minister. This request was rejected because it would have taken four days to consider the 550 pages of insults that the treasurer or his colleagues describing working women as double-dippers, fraudsters. Will he apologise for describing working mums in such abusive terms?
Then the speaker asks her to rephrase. She questions Christian Porter, the social services minister, instead.
Porter says neither he nor Scott Morrison have used those terms and he is not surprised at the refusal of the request.
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Question time coming up at 2pm.
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Horses for courses: Bob Katter turns up to support Rod Culleton at high court
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Bob Katter has appeared outside the high court to express support for Rod Culleton. In an impromptu press conference, he said the case sets a bad precedent.
Katter said that the One Nation party leader, Pauline Hanson, had not supported Culleton, because she agreed to the referral to the high court, did not back his proposed banking royal commission and was continuing the government’s attack on trade unionism through the Australian Building and Construction Commission bill.
Asked if he was encouraging Culleton to join the Katter Australia party, Katter revealed a third party had approached Culleton without Katter’s knowledge but received a “flat knockback”. That was because Culleton was “not a rat” and KAP didn’t “take rats” at any rate.
But Katter then appeared to equivocate, noting that if One Nation “ratted on Culleton” that would be a “horse of a different colour”.
After a delay waiting for Bob, Culleton exited the high court. Asked if he would jump ship from One Nation, he replied:
Well I had a shave this morning and I didn’t see any whiskers – so I’m not a rat.
Culleton said he would stay with One Nation “for now” but, when asked to rule out jumping ship, he said: “If I was to go, it wouldn’t be my choice … it would be up to others.”
Culleton said he wasn’t sure if he would continue to self-represent or appoint counsel but criticised the prospect of the attorney general, George Brandis, appointing counsel to give his side of the argument a run.
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