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Trump, at New York Times Meeting, Is Cordial and Critical Less Defiant Trump at The Times: ‘I Hope We Can All Get Along’
(about 5 hours later)
The strained relationship between Donald J. Trump and The New York Times took an odd path on Tuesday when a planned meeting between the president-elect and the newspaper was abruptly canceled by Mr. Trump and then quickly rescheduled. On Twitter Tuesday morning, President-elect Donald J. Trump was the media-bashing firebrand many of his supporters adore, denouncing The New York Times as a “failing” institution that covered him inaccurately “and with a nasty tone!”
After a morning of back-and-forth statements and Twitter posts, Mr. Trump arrived at midday for a meeting with Times representatives at the paper’s Midtown headquarters. Seated next to the publisher, Arthur Sulzberger Jr., in the paper’s Churchill Room, he said he had great respect for the paper but thought its treatment of him had been “very rough.” Eight hours later, after a lunchtime interview with editors and reporters for The Times one that was briefly canceled, after Mr. Trump quarreled over the ground rules, then restored the mood of the president-elect, it seemed, had mellowed.
He added that he hoped he and the paper could improve their relationship. “The Times is a great, great American jewel,” Mr. Trump declared as he prepared to leave the gathering in the newspaper’s 16th-floor boardroom, where portraits of former presidents adorn the walls.
[ Times reporters and editors posted live updates from the meeting on Twitter. Read the latest » ] “A world jewel,” added Mr. Trump, who was seated next to Arthur Sulzberger Jr., the paper’s publisher. “And I hope we can all get along.”
In the end, the 75-minute meeting was a relatively cordial discussion, with Mr. Trump covering the full range of his sometimes conflicting attitudes toward the media. The president-elect began the meeting with some complaints about his coverage in The Times, saying he had been “treated very rough” and “treated very unfairly in a sense, a true sense.” But he also confessed to being a devoted reader of the newspaper, and ended the meeting by praising The Times as “a world jewel” and adding, “I hope we can all get along.” In an extraordinary 75-minute meeting parrying, debating and, at times, joking with the leaders of a publication that has long been an object of Mr. Trump’s fascination and frustration the president-elect’s chameleonlike approach to the news media was on full display.
Hours earlier, it appeared that the meeting would not take place. Mr. Trump wrote on Twitter shortly after 6 a.m. that he had called off the meeting, contending that the ground rules had been changed. Mr. Trump is inclined to label himself aggrieved and betrayed by a “dishonest” news media, barring some reporters from his rallies and claiming that news outlets were trying to rig the election. Only a day earlier, Mr. Trump assailed the nation’s most prominent television news anchors and producers in a tense meeting at Trump Tower.
A spokeswoman for The Times, Eileen Murphy, said the paper had not changed the arrangements for the meeting and was not aware it had been canceled until Mr. Trump posted on Twitter. The company said that Mr. Trump’s team had asked on Monday to change the ground rules of the meeting, but that the paper had declined. But the president-elect who arrived at The Times on Tuesday was more solicitous and measured, a handshaking businessman intent on finding common ground.
“We did not change the ground rules at all and made no attempt to,” she said. “They tried to yesterday asking for only a private meeting and no on-the-record segment, which we refused to agree to.” He dismissed his earlier talk of strengthening libel laws, telling the assembled journalists, “I think you’ll be O.K.” He expressed interest in improving his relationship with the paper, saying, “I think it would make the job I am doing much easier.”
She added: “In the end, we concluded with them that we would go back to the original plan of a small off-the-record session and a larger on-the-record session with reporters and columnists.” “To me,” Mr. Trump said at one point, “it would be a great achievement if I could come back here in a year or two, and have a lot of folks here say, ‘You’ve done a great job.’”
Three people with knowledge of Mr. Trump’s initial decision to cancel the meeting said that Reince Priebus, the incoming White House chief of staff, had been among those urging the president-elect to cancel it, because he would face questions he might not be prepared to answer. It was Mr. Priebus who relayed to Mr. Trump, erroneously, that The Times had changed the conditions of the meeting, believing it would result in a cancellation, these people said. Since his younger days as a Manhattan arriviste, Mr. Trump has cultivated a talent for both courting and condemning the press sometimes in the same breath. The gossip columnist Liz Smith recalled Mr. Trump once threatening to buy her newspaper “in order to have the pleasure of firing me” before warmly inviting her to his wedding.
A spokesman for Mr. Trump declined to comment on Mr. Priebus’s role. It was clear on Tuesday, however, that any new conciliatory approach toward the news media would have its limits.
The Times has been a frequent target of attacks from Mr. Trump, who chafed at some of the unflattering coverage of him during the presidential campaign. He often refers to the “failing” New York Times and has threatened to sue the company for libel over an article about two women who accused him of touching them inappropriately years earlier. “I think I’ve been treated very rough,” Mr. Trump said, as he spent the first several minutes of the session criticizing The Times’s coverage. “I’ve been treated extremely unfairly, in a sense, in a true sense.”
Mr. Trump followed his Twitter message on Tuesday about canceling the meeting with two other posts about The Times, one of which said: “I will say The Times is about the roughest of all,” Mr. Trump said. Then, referring to his relationship with the paper, he added: “I would like to turn it around. I think it would make the job I am doing much easier.”
Mr. Trump later posted: “The meeting with the @nytimes is back on at 12:30 today. Look forward to it!” The president-elect had sounded less gracious Tuesday morning when he abruptly called off his meeting at The Times in a Twitter post, contending that the paper had changed its terms for how the conversation could be reported.
His meeting at The Times came one day after Mr. Trump attacked television network executives and anchors during an off-the-record meeting at Trump Tower. At that meeting, Mr. Trump said that the networks had been dishonest and that they had missed the signs of his impending victory. A Times spokeswoman, Eileen Murphy, said the paper had made no such changes, and said that Mr. Trump’s team requested on Monday that the meeting be off the record a request The Times declined.
Three people with knowledge of Mr. Trump’s deliberations said that Reince Priebus, the incoming White House chief of staff, had tried to scuttle the meeting at The Times by telling Mr. Trump, erroneously, that the newspaper was shifting its terms.
Mr. Priebus had been among those urging the president-elect to cancel his interview because he could face questions he might not be prepared to answer, these people said. (A spokesman for Mr. Trump declined to comment on Mr. Priebus’s role.)
By midmorning, the meeting was back on, with both sides confirming that Mr. Trump and members of his staff would attend. The meeting coincided with the paper’s annual State of The Times address; as the publisher and top executives presented the company’s strategy, Secret Service agents patrolled The Times’s lobby, which filled with people, including a throng of photographers, in anticipation of Mr. Trump’s arrival.
Before the lunch, Mr. Trump met privately for about 15 minutes with Mr. Sulzberger, a meeting that Ms. Murphy described as short and cordial.
At lunch — where salmon, beef tenderloin and squash were on the menu, although the president-elect and many of the journalists did not eat — Mr. Trump seemed unconcerned about criticism of Breitbart News, the hard-line conservative website that embraced his candidacy and whose former chairman, Stephen K. Bannon, is now his chief strategist.
Breitbart, which features articles about violent migrants in Europe, has warned of a wave of “black-on-black crime,” and has been denounced as racist, anti-Semitic and xenophobic.
Mr. Trump called it “just a newspaper, essentially.”
Pressed about the concerns of African-Americans, Jewish groups and others about Breitbart’s coverage under Mr. Bannon, Mr. Trump seemed to sidestep the question.
“Breitbart really is a news organization that has become quite successful,” Mr. Trump said. “It’s got readers, and it does cover subjects on the right, but it covers subjects on the left also. It’s a pretty big thing.”
The final question of the lunch carried implications for every news outlet that plans to cover the administration of a man who has boasted that he would change laws to make it easier for Americans to sue for libel: Is a President Trump committed to the First Amendment?
“Oh, I was hoping he wasn’t going to ask that,” Mr. Trump replied with a smile.
“Actually,” the president-elect added, “somebody said to me on that, they said, ‘You know, it’s a great idea softening up those laws, but you may get sued a lot more.’ I said, ‘You know, you’re right, I never thought of that.’”
“I think you’ll be O.K.,” Mr. Trump added, suggesting that he would not modify libel laws, although he did not offer a definitive stance one way or the other.
By Tuesday evening, Mr. Trump had not yet posted on Twitter his opinion of how things went at The Times. But during the lunch, he made a confession: He remains a regular reader.
“I do read it — unfortunately,” the president-elect said. “I’d live about 20 years longer if I didn’t.”