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Conservative MP Bob Stewart 'was kind of torturer' during Troubles Conservative MP Bob Stewart 'was kind of torturer' during Troubles
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Conservative MP Bob Stewart has said he was "kind of a torturer" during his time as a soldier in Northern Ireland's Troubles in the 1970s.Conservative MP Bob Stewart has said he was "kind of a torturer" during his time as a soldier in Northern Ireland's Troubles in the 1970s.
The former Army officer said that torture is "sometimes" justified, and he had used now-forbidden techniques. The former Army officer said torture was "sometimes" justified, and he had used now-forbidden techniques.
The UK government authorised the use of five interrogation methods during the Troubles but later reversed that move.The UK government authorised the use of five interrogation methods during the Troubles but later reversed that move.
Col Stewart made his comments in a BBC Radio 5 Live interview after remarks about torture made by Donald Trump.Col Stewart made his comments in a BBC Radio 5 Live interview after remarks about torture made by Donald Trump.
The US president said senior intelligence officials have told him torture "absolutely works".The US president said senior intelligence officials have told him torture "absolutely works".
He suggested that the illegal waterboarding interrogation technique could be reintroduced in order to fight radical groups in the Middle East. He suggested the illegal waterboarding interrogation technique could be reintroduced in order to fight radical groups in the Middle East.
Col Stewart said "no-one likes torture - not even Trump likes torture".Col Stewart said "no-one likes torture - not even Trump likes torture".
'Amount of persuasion''Amount of persuasion'
"The fact of the matter is, as we both accept, sometimes it might work, and sometimes it might be justified," he said."The fact of the matter is, as we both accept, sometimes it might work, and sometimes it might be justified," he said.
"In circumstances where a great number of people, or indeed one person, is going to be killed, you have to think very carefully about what pressure you can put on people in order to give that information to stop peoples' lives being lost."In circumstances where a great number of people, or indeed one person, is going to be killed, you have to think very carefully about what pressure you can put on people in order to give that information to stop peoples' lives being lost.
"A certain amount of persuasion might be justified if someone, for example, had the knowledge about where a nuclear weapon that was going to explode in London was.""A certain amount of persuasion might be justified if someone, for example, had the knowledge about where a nuclear weapon that was going to explode in London was."
But the Beckenham MP said he was "qualifying" his suggestion that torture could be justified, and added that he does not agree with the use of waterboarding.But the Beckenham MP said he was "qualifying" his suggestion that torture could be justified, and added that he does not agree with the use of waterboarding.
He referred to his own experiences as a soldier during the Troubles, saying he had used techniques that were legal at the time but later banned by the UK government.He referred to his own experiences as a soldier during the Troubles, saying he had used techniques that were legal at the time but later banned by the UK government.
"So, in a way, technically, as you look at it today, I was a kind of a torturer," Col Stewart added."So, in a way, technically, as you look at it today, I was a kind of a torturer," Col Stewart added.
"Of course, it was acceptable then - it's now unacceptable and now it's defined as torture.""Of course, it was acceptable then - it's now unacceptable and now it's defined as torture."
'Constant static noise' 'Boastful and arrogant'
Controversy still surrounds the Army's use of what it called "deep interrogation" techniques during the Troubles.Controversy still surrounds the Army's use of what it called "deep interrogation" techniques during the Troubles.
The government is facing a legal challenge from several men, who claim they were tortured by the Army during the conflict, for its failure to fully investigate their case.The government is facing a legal challenge from several men, who claim they were tortured by the Army during the conflict, for its failure to fully investigate their case.
Known as the Hooded Men, they were arrested on suspicion of terror offences and imprisoned without trial in August 1971.Known as the Hooded Men, they were arrested on suspicion of terror offences and imprisoned without trial in August 1971.
The men claim they were subjected to torture techniques, including food and sleep deprivation and being subjected to constant loud static noise for long periods of time. Jim McIlmurray, case coordinator for the Hooded Men, said Col Stewart's admission did not come "as any great surprise".
The European Commission ruled in 1976 that the government was guilty of torture and inhumane and degrading treatment. "I consider the remarks by Bob Stewart somewhat boastful and arrogant and will request our legal team to call upon him as a witness seeing he is so forthcoming with this new information," he said.
But the government appealed and the European Court later ruled that the techniques did not amount to torture. The Hooded Men claim they were subjected to torture techniques, including food and sleep deprivation and constant loud static noise for long periods of time.
The so-called Hooded Men want the decision to be revised and are also seeking to secure a full inquiry. The European Commission of Human Rights ruled in 1976 that the government was guilty of torture and inhumane and degrading treatment.
But the government appealed and the European Court of Human Rights later ruled that the techniques did not amount to torture.
The men want the decision to be revised and are also seeking to secure a full inquiry.
The government has consistently rejected allegations of torture.The government has consistently rejected allegations of torture.