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| Oscars chaos and a hipster glossary – join our live look at the week | |
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| The week in photographs – from our picture editors | |
| Guy Lane | |
| The week started in fine style with the calamitous climax to the Oscars ceremony at the Dolby Theatre in Hollywood. Warren Beatty was at the centre of the confusion: | |
| President Trump’s counselor Kellyanne Conway provoked much comment when she clambered onto a White House sofa to snap this pic: | |
| And, as ever, the Rio carnival provided an abundance of photo opportunities. | |
| You can share your pictures in our latest assignment from the new readers’ picture desk series – looking for photographs of revelry around the world – by clicking the blue GuardianWitness buttons on this article. Or, tell us about your favourite images of the week in the comments. | |
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| We’ll move on to discuss some other topics above the line here shortly, but do keep chatting about your encounters with hipsters in the comments ... and take our poll. Are you a hipster yourself? If you “admit” to being one, does that mean you aren’t one after all? | |
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| A side note – hipsters like pubs, don’t they? And real ale? | |
| A taste of the comments on the @Guardian story about the @CAMRA_Official pub of the year https://t.co/kfDVY5GIyZ pic.twitter.com/SPDUcfJW4j | |
| With thanks to jifferyvtwo and particularly Arraiga2 for a chuckle... Oh, and a response: | |
| I'm glad you are stout in defense of the article. | |
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| We liked this point ... | We liked this point ... |
| Serious note though is there not somehting to say for people who are suspicious of consumersm, promote localism, eschew corporatism and prioritise sustainability? Is that not a type of person we should celebrate rather than ridicule and isn't there some sort of agenda in being cynical about hipsters? | Serious note though is there not somehting to say for people who are suspicious of consumersm, promote localism, eschew corporatism and prioritise sustainability? Is that not a type of person we should celebrate rather than ridicule and isn't there some sort of agenda in being cynical about hipsters? |
| Ugh god this is the most hipster thing i've ever written i hate myself. | Ugh god this is the most hipster thing i've ever written i hate myself. |
| And there is some serious discussion on hipster impact | And there is some serious discussion on hipster impact |
| Hipsters are simply another social group like emos/chavs, mods/rockers, hippies/punks all once were. | Hipsters are simply another social group like emos/chavs, mods/rockers, hippies/punks all once were. |
| Blaming them for gentrification is absurd. They're not the property developers buying the land or the estate agents setting the rent prices on the inevtiable upmarket flats. If you're looking for the true cause of gentrification how about asking why outward expansion of London is constricted by an out of date Green Belt policy. | Blaming them for gentrification is absurd. They're not the property developers buying the land or the estate agents setting the rent prices on the inevtiable upmarket flats. If you're looking for the true cause of gentrification how about asking why outward expansion of London is constricted by an out of date Green Belt policy. |
| Realistically, it's limited supply of land with high demand which is driving gentrification, not some bloke opening an organic coffee shop in Peckham and only playing 70's records. | Realistically, it's limited supply of land with high demand which is driving gentrification, not some bloke opening an organic coffee shop in Peckham and only playing 70's records. |
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| Another definition of hipsters from a reader below ... | Another definition of hipsters from a reader below ... |
| A hipster: | A hipster: |
| Someone who protests against consumerism primarily by consuming. | Someone who protests against consumerism primarily by consuming. |
| My two cents. | My two cents. |
| And following on from Tony Naylor’s points, a poll! | And following on from Tony Naylor’s points, a poll! |
| Updated | Updated |
| at 12.47pm GMT | at 12.47pm GMT |
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| This reader has written a whole blog on hipsters ... | This reader has written a whole blog on hipsters ... |
| I would take dandy over hipster any day. The hipster of today wears experience like a badge, gathered from the shelves of a ‘vintage’ shop and set up somewhere obvious but not loud on your carefully maintained body. Hipsters are, in the words of one recent critic, grounded in irony and the distance that provides in relation to ‘bad things’ happening and the drive toappropriating stuff. "Everything, to be precise. Your grandfather’s facial hair, 70s albums, and remote neighborhoods that are still close to downtown. Whether it’s in music, style, or actual land — stealing, reclaiming, re-using, settling, gentrifying, or whatever else you want to call it is at the core of hipstering. You must find something that already existed, that is completely uncool, and then you must announce that it’s cool and then all your friends must come there and set up shop, and then you must walk around it like you own it. And then you’ve gotta find something else that was already there. And repeat." | I would take dandy over hipster any day. The hipster of today wears experience like a badge, gathered from the shelves of a ‘vintage’ shop and set up somewhere obvious but not loud on your carefully maintained body. Hipsters are, in the words of one recent critic, grounded in irony and the distance that provides in relation to ‘bad things’ happening and the drive toappropriating stuff. "Everything, to be precise. Your grandfather’s facial hair, 70s albums, and remote neighborhoods that are still close to downtown. Whether it’s in music, style, or actual land — stealing, reclaiming, re-using, settling, gentrifying, or whatever else you want to call it is at the core of hipstering. You must find something that already existed, that is completely uncool, and then you must announce that it’s cool and then all your friends must come there and set up shop, and then you must walk around it like you own it. And then you’ve gotta find something else that was already there. And repeat." |
| https://medium.com/@JimBarrett/hipster-versus-dandy-6ef3c9c1dfea#.dhigvq4p5 | https://medium.com/@JimBarrett/hipster-versus-dandy-6ef3c9c1dfea#.dhigvq4p5 |
| But apart from him, is this true? | But apart from him, is this true? |
| 30 minutes in, on a friday lunchtime. It appears that nobody want to talk about hipsters. | 30 minutes in, on a friday lunchtime. It appears that nobody want to talk about hipsters. |
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| at 12.40pm GMT | at 12.40pm GMT |
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| What makes a food a "hipster food"? | What makes a food a "hipster food"? |
| Tony Naylor | Tony Naylor |
| “It is exhausting. It is exciting.” Was how I described the ever-accelerating churn of new ideas in food in the intro to this week’s Ultimate Hipster-Food Glossary. That tone of affection and ambivalence is, for me, the only suitable one for a scene as creative as it is ludicrous. For every worthwhile idea in modern food, nine more will leave you open-mouthed – and not in a good way (see unicorn food). | “It is exhausting. It is exciting.” Was how I described the ever-accelerating churn of new ideas in food in the intro to this week’s Ultimate Hipster-Food Glossary. That tone of affection and ambivalence is, for me, the only suitable one for a scene as creative as it is ludicrous. For every worthwhile idea in modern food, nine more will leave you open-mouthed – and not in a good way (see unicorn food). |
| That ambiguity, however, seems to irritate many of those motivated enough to post BTL. It is all good fun and, when I have the time, I happily join in these conversations. But to be accused within a few posts of being a killjoy (“Let people enjoy whatever they want, it’s not hurting anybody,” argued Kate), and a harbinger of the end of civilisation (“That article genuinely made me reconsider my humanity,” said SisterXyl), is bewildering. Online encourages iron dogmatism about frivolous topics, but why do people feel a need to strike a dramatic pose? Is being conciliatory online seen as boring? | That ambiguity, however, seems to irritate many of those motivated enough to post BTL. It is all good fun and, when I have the time, I happily join in these conversations. But to be accused within a few posts of being a killjoy (“Let people enjoy whatever they want, it’s not hurting anybody,” argued Kate), and a harbinger of the end of civilisation (“That article genuinely made me reconsider my humanity,” said SisterXyl), is bewildering. Online encourages iron dogmatism about frivolous topics, but why do people feel a need to strike a dramatic pose? Is being conciliatory online seen as boring? |
| Luckily, the conversation soon widened and got into some deep detail. Between the insults, food threads can be surprisingly educational and thought-provoking. This one took in why jackfruit and durian are not the same thing; dissections of different horchata; issues of cultural appropriation around global foods; and the glories of Georgian cuisine. Which led to this magnificent exchange: | Luckily, the conversation soon widened and got into some deep detail. Between the insults, food threads can be surprisingly educational and thought-provoking. This one took in why jackfruit and durian are not the same thing; dissections of different horchata; issues of cultural appropriation around global foods; and the glories of Georgian cuisine. Which led to this magnificent exchange: |
| Sorry, it has been a while since I was in Tbilisi. | Sorry, it has been a while since I was in Tbilisi. |
| Sorry, it has been a while since I was in Tbilisi. | Sorry, it has been a while since I was in Tbilisi. |
| This is the most glamorous sentence I've read all day. :) | This is the most glamorous sentence I've read all day. :) |
| Meanwhile, the rest of the discussion was, but of course, a bunfight about my use of the word “hipster”. For me, it has become so diluted it is uncontentious. It can be used, as I intended, as a tongue-in-cheek summation of our collective thirst for new things, on a spectrum from dysfunctional, trend-setting obsessiveness to a healthy, worldly curiosity. | Meanwhile, the rest of the discussion was, but of course, a bunfight about my use of the word “hipster”. For me, it has become so diluted it is uncontentious. It can be used, as I intended, as a tongue-in-cheek summation of our collective thirst for new things, on a spectrum from dysfunctional, trend-setting obsessiveness to a healthy, worldly curiosity. |
| Other people, however, clearly see “hipsters” (whoever they may be) as a significant, serious social malaise. Really? Even at its most excessive, is hipsterdom anything other than an attempt to live outside mainstream culture? Confused as that may be, it is surely admirable? | Other people, however, clearly see “hipsters” (whoever they may be) as a significant, serious social malaise. Really? Even at its most excessive, is hipsterdom anything other than an attempt to live outside mainstream culture? Confused as that may be, it is surely admirable? |
| But then I would say that, sat here with my turbo G&T and khachapuri. Which just leaves space for a few amusing comments which made which made me spray “dank” IPA all over my screen: | But then I would say that, sat here with my turbo G&T and khachapuri. Which just leaves space for a few amusing comments which made which made me spray “dank” IPA all over my screen: |
| All a hipster is, I want a shag, I'll get a beard. | All a hipster is, I want a shag, I'll get a beard. |
| That's not a movement. | That's not a movement. |
| And this exchange: | And this exchange: |
| I thought hipsters were a style of trouser? | I thought hipsters were a style of trouser? |
| That's correct - hipsterism is passed on through the jeans. | That's correct - hipsterism is passed on through the jeans. |
| That such humour persists BTL, amid the rancour, restores my faith in humanity. | That such humour persists BTL, amid the rancour, restores my faith in humanity. |
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| 10:06 | 10:06 |
| Welcome | Welcome |
| Sarah Marsh | Sarah Marsh |
| Hello everyone, it’s Friday! So, as ever, we will be running our weekly social, discussing the best news and comment with readers. We have loads lined up, including a look at what makes a hipster food a hipster food, a recap on the Oscar’s faux pas and a look at Trump’s presidency so far in numbers. | Hello everyone, it’s Friday! So, as ever, we will be running our weekly social, discussing the best news and comment with readers. We have loads lined up, including a look at what makes a hipster food a hipster food, a recap on the Oscar’s faux pas and a look at Trump’s presidency so far in numbers. |
| This space, however, is largely led by you, so if there’s something you want to talk about raise it below the line or email us – sarah.marsh@theguardian.com or matthew.holmes@theguardian.com. | This space, however, is largely led by you, so if there’s something you want to talk about raise it below the line or email us – sarah.marsh@theguardian.com or matthew.holmes@theguardian.com. |
| Updated | Updated |
| at 10.30am GMT | at 10.30am GMT |