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| 'Back managing another basket-case club': your best comments on the Guardian today | 'Back managing another basket-case club': your best comments on the Guardian today |
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| The Jurassic world of Premier League managers, Brexit dealings, and care for the poorest in society – the issues that got you talking | |
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| Tue 5 Dec 2017 13.32 GMT | |
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| Attempts to rescue a Brexit deal, an uncaring political class and a stunning day’s cricket were topics that provoked some of the most interesting conversation on the site today. | Attempts to rescue a Brexit deal, an uncaring political class and a stunning day’s cricket were topics that provoked some of the most interesting conversation on the site today. |
| To join in you can click on the links in the comments below to expand and add your thoughts. We’ll continue to highlight more comments worth reading as the day goes on. | To join in you can click on the links in the comments below to expand and add your thoughts. We’ll continue to highlight more comments worth reading as the day goes on. |
| David Squires on … the Jurassic world of Premier League managers | David Squires on … the Jurassic world of Premier League managers |
| In today’s cartoon, Squires celebrates the glorious return of Sam Allardyce and David Moyes to England’s top flight and looks at André Villas-Boas’s Dakar defection. | In today’s cartoon, Squires celebrates the glorious return of Sam Allardyce and David Moyes to England’s top flight and looks at André Villas-Boas’s Dakar defection. |
| ‘You’re back managing another basket-case Premier League club!’ | ‘You’re back managing another basket-case Premier League club!’ |
| If I may... Um, I’ll tell you the problem with the managerial power that you’re using here, it didn’t require any discipline to attain it. You read what others had done and you took the next step. You didn’t earn the knowledge for yourself, so you don’t take any responsibility for it. You stood on the shoulders of geniuses to accomplish something as fast as you could, and before you even knew what you had, you lost the dressing room, and the respect of the fans, and got slapped back down to the Championship, and now... | If I may... Um, I’ll tell you the problem with the managerial power that you’re using here, it didn’t require any discipline to attain it. You read what others had done and you took the next step. You didn’t earn the knowledge for yourself, so you don’t take any responsibility for it. You stood on the shoulders of geniuses to accomplish something as fast as you could, and before you even knew what you had, you lost the dressing room, and the respect of the fans, and got slapped back down to the Championship, and now... |
| [BANGS TABLE FOR EFFECT] | [BANGS TABLE FOR EFFECT] |
| ...you’re back managing another basket-case Premier League club!SimonLegend | ...you’re back managing another basket-case Premier League club!SimonLegend |
| ‘My young son and his mates have begun talking to each other from behind their hands’ | ‘My young son and his mates have begun talking to each other from behind their hands’ |
| I particularly enjoyed seeing Redmond talking to Guardiola from behind his hand... My young son and his mates have even began doing that when they are having a kickaround in the park...HayleyNylund | I particularly enjoyed seeing Redmond talking to Guardiola from behind his hand... My young son and his mates have even began doing that when they are having a kickaround in the park...HayleyNylund |
| Theresa May seeks to rescue Brexit deal as Dublin says it won’t back down | Theresa May seeks to rescue Brexit deal as Dublin says it won’t back down |
| Politics also dominates the conversation today, as Theresa May hoped to rescue a deal scuppered by the DUP on Monday. Here’s some of your reaction to the day’s developments. | Politics also dominates the conversation today, as Theresa May hoped to rescue a deal scuppered by the DUP on Monday. Here’s some of your reaction to the day’s developments. |
| ‘No Brexit is better than a bad Brexit’ | ‘No Brexit is better than a bad Brexit’ |
| The most annoying thing about Brexit has been the patronising statements from Brexiters waving away objections as just Remoaners talking down the country. In addition they have tried again and again to bluster their way through difficult issues like the Irish border, trying to ride roughshod over real issues and real concerns of the island of Ireland. | The most annoying thing about Brexit has been the patronising statements from Brexiters waving away objections as just Remoaners talking down the country. In addition they have tried again and again to bluster their way through difficult issues like the Irish border, trying to ride roughshod over real issues and real concerns of the island of Ireland. |
| The pendulum has swung. Brexiters and their media have had 18 months and have delivered precisely nothing. They have brow beaten us, insulted us and more to keep us quiet. Well, no more. Brexit was a terrible idea. We have listened while you tried to polish it up, but you have only made it worse – no Brexit is better than a bad Brexit.redcannonball | The pendulum has swung. Brexiters and their media have had 18 months and have delivered precisely nothing. They have brow beaten us, insulted us and more to keep us quiet. Well, no more. Brexit was a terrible idea. We have listened while you tried to polish it up, but you have only made it worse – no Brexit is better than a bad Brexit.redcannonball |
| ‘Like one of those cruel puzzles you give to kids in exams’ | ‘Like one of those cruel puzzles you give to kids in exams’ |
| This border question sounds like one of those cruel puzzles you give to kids in exams only to realise there is no feasible answer (well, not in this reality anyway); | This border question sounds like one of those cruel puzzles you give to kids in exams only to realise there is no feasible answer (well, not in this reality anyway); |
| – GB must have a hard border with Europe– GB must not have a hard border with Northern Ireland– Iron must not have a hard border with Republic O’ Ireland and– Republic of Ireland must not have a hard border with Europe | – GB must have a hard border with Europe– GB must not have a hard border with Northern Ireland– Iron must not have a hard border with Republic O’ Ireland and– Republic of Ireland must not have a hard border with Europe |
| Explain and show your workings.RobRoy1975 | Explain and show your workings.RobRoy1975 |
| Once we cared about the poor. Now we damn them | Once we cared about the poor. Now we damn them |
| Polly Toynbee writes about the Joseph Rowntree Foundaton’s report saying an extra 400,000 children and 300,000 more pensioners have fallen into poverty since 2013, and remembers the Beveridge report, 75 years ago. | Polly Toynbee writes about the Joseph Rowntree Foundaton’s report saying an extra 400,000 children and 300,000 more pensioners have fallen into poverty since 2013, and remembers the Beveridge report, 75 years ago. |
| ‘We cared about wealth inequality, opportunity inequality and social inequality’ | ‘We cared about wealth inequality, opportunity inequality and social inequality’ |
| Once we cared about a lot of things, not only the poor. We cared about education producing an informed electorate. We cared about libraries and art galleries. We cared that people were nourished both body and mind. All that’s now gone. | Once we cared about a lot of things, not only the poor. We cared about education producing an informed electorate. We cared about libraries and art galleries. We cared that people were nourished both body and mind. All that’s now gone. |
| We as a people cared that those at the bottom had enough to get by, we cared that those at the top paid back for their good fortune. We cared about wealth inequality, opportunity inequality and social inequality. We cared enough to ensure that a grocers daughter from Yorkshire could reach the highest job in the land even if that did turn out to be the second most monumental mistake of the last 100 years. That’s all ended too.Tintenfische | We as a people cared that those at the bottom had enough to get by, we cared that those at the top paid back for their good fortune. We cared about wealth inequality, opportunity inequality and social inequality. We cared enough to ensure that a grocers daughter from Yorkshire could reach the highest job in the land even if that did turn out to be the second most monumental mistake of the last 100 years. That’s all ended too.Tintenfische |
| Joe Root digs in to give England glimmer of hope in second Ashes Test | Joe Root digs in to give England glimmer of hope in second Ashes Test |
| England survived to live another day – and may even have an outside chance of getting something out of the second Ashes test in Australia. Here’s some of your reaction to a fine day’s cricket. | England survived to live another day – and may even have an outside chance of getting something out of the second Ashes test in Australia. Here’s some of your reaction to a fine day’s cricket. |
| ‘Magnificent’ | ‘Magnificent’ |
| My god. That was a magnificent day of Test cricket, almost out of nowhere. Still think Australia are 80-20 to win but Root can write himself into the annals of Ashes legend tomorrow.TheHarry | My god. That was a magnificent day of Test cricket, almost out of nowhere. Still think Australia are 80-20 to win but Root can write himself into the annals of Ashes legend tomorrow.TheHarry |
| ‘Way ahead of any other sport’ | ‘Way ahead of any other sport’ |
| Hilarious that there are some sports that think they can offer this sort of sustained pressure and tension. Test cricket at it’s best is way ahead of any other sport. And I love lots of other sports. | Hilarious that there are some sports that think they can offer this sort of sustained pressure and tension. Test cricket at it’s best is way ahead of any other sport. And I love lots of other sports. |
| That was hellish this morning. Hope. It’s so painful. And now I have it for another whole day.mcewan7 | That was hellish this morning. Hope. It’s so painful. And now I have it for another whole day.mcewan7 |
| ‘My routing begins with reading all of the articles saying England could do it’ | ‘My routing begins with reading all of the articles saying England could do it’ |
| My routine from here on in: Read all of the articles and commentary saying England could do it. Wrestle with decision to wake up at 3am until 11pm. Decide to wake up at 3am. England slowly and painfully collapse until Root is dismissed for 86 off 217 at 6am. We lose by 70 runs. I say: ‘I’ll never believe again’, which lasts until the third day of the third test. Repeat ad infinitum.Luke18 | My routine from here on in: Read all of the articles and commentary saying England could do it. Wrestle with decision to wake up at 3am until 11pm. Decide to wake up at 3am. England slowly and painfully collapse until Root is dismissed for 86 off 217 at 6am. We lose by 70 runs. I say: ‘I’ll never believe again’, which lasts until the third day of the third test. Repeat ad infinitum.Luke18 |
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