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Labor hammers Turnbull over leaked business council document – politics live Labor hammers Turnbull over leaked business council document – politics live
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Linda Burney is talking to Sky and says she believes there is a “crisis” with children in care across Australia.
She is calling for a national inquiry and for the state and territories to examine their foster care system.
Mike Bowers presents your last question time (until 8 May).
Question time ends.Question time ends.
Amanda Rishworth to Malcolm Turnbull:Amanda Rishworth to Malcolm Turnbull:
Why is the prime minister committed to a $65bn handout for big business but are making our fantastic early childhood educators like those in the public gallery today pay more tax with an early childhood educator on $45,000 paying $225 a year more tax?Why is the prime minister committed to a $65bn handout for big business but are making our fantastic early childhood educators like those in the public gallery today pay more tax with an early childhood educator on $45,000 paying $225 a year more tax?
Turnbull:Turnbull:
“I thank the honourable member for her question and I want to say we all admire early childhood educators. I want to say that, Mr Speaker, the government does not set the wages or conditions of childcare educators. The role of the government is to provide subsidies to hard-working Australian families so they can afford the care they need in order to balance their work and family responsibilities.“I thank the honourable member for her question and I want to say we all admire early childhood educators. I want to say that, Mr Speaker, the government does not set the wages or conditions of childcare educators. The role of the government is to provide subsidies to hard-working Australian families so they can afford the care they need in order to balance their work and family responsibilities.
“And we [will], as of the 2 July this year, provide up to 85% of the cost of care for low-income families and record levels of investment. In fact, Mr Speaker, the increase in the overall subsidy for childcare is well over $1bn a year. It will be $8.8bn in the first full year.“And we [will], as of the 2 July this year, provide up to 85% of the cost of care for low-income families and record levels of investment. In fact, Mr Speaker, the increase in the overall subsidy for childcare is well over $1bn a year. It will be $8.8bn in the first full year.
“Childcare reforms provide the highest rate of subsidies, 85% to those with the lowest incomes, below around $65,000 a year, provides the most subsidised care to those who work the most hours, 100 hours a fortnight, removes the annual childcare rebate cap to families on less than around $185,000 a year and that is 85% of families using childcare.“Childcare reforms provide the highest rate of subsidies, 85% to those with the lowest incomes, below around $65,000 a year, provides the most subsidised care to those who work the most hours, 100 hours a fortnight, removes the annual childcare rebate cap to families on less than around $185,000 a year and that is 85% of families using childcare.
“The Labor party voted against it. They voted against that reform. We know the decision of the Fair Work Commission. It is an independent umpire set up by the Labor party. It respects the independent decisions and it’s about time the leader of the opposition did too.”“The Labor party voted against it. They voted against that reform. We know the decision of the Fair Work Commission. It is an independent umpire set up by the Labor party. It respects the independent decisions and it’s about time the leader of the opposition did too.”
I would like to tell you a story about “Amy”, who was forced to listen to so many dixers she ended up catatonic, rocking under her desk. Poor Amy.I would like to tell you a story about “Amy”, who was forced to listen to so many dixers she ended up catatonic, rocking under her desk. Poor Amy.
Julia Banks has the next dixer so Josh Frydenberg can tell us a story about Jennifer.Julia Banks has the next dixer so Josh Frydenberg can tell us a story about Jennifer.
Bill Shorten to Malcolm Turnbull:Bill Shorten to Malcolm Turnbull:
“We now know that big business has refused to commit to invest in a rural and remote Australia or my favourite, pay tax. Why is the prime minister so committed to his $65bn giveaway to big business when big business won’t commit anything in return to him?”“We now know that big business has refused to commit to invest in a rural and remote Australia or my favourite, pay tax. Why is the prime minister so committed to his $65bn giveaway to big business when big business won’t commit anything in return to him?”
Turnbull (who introduces us to Stewart. Or possibly Stuart):Turnbull (who introduces us to Stewart. Or possibly Stuart):
“As I said to the house earlier in this question time, we don’t rely on the altruism of companies in framing tax policy. We rely on economics. Economics 101, something forgotten in the Labor party. Business will respond rationally and will invest more where the incentives are to invest, will employ more, and because you get stronger economic growth, you get more jobs, and as Julia Gillard said, the heroine of honourable members opposite, if you are against lowering company taxes, you are against economic growth and if you are against economic growth, you are against jobs.”“As I said to the house earlier in this question time, we don’t rely on the altruism of companies in framing tax policy. We rely on economics. Economics 101, something forgotten in the Labor party. Business will respond rationally and will invest more where the incentives are to invest, will employ more, and because you get stronger economic growth, you get more jobs, and as Julia Gillard said, the heroine of honourable members opposite, if you are against lowering company taxes, you are against economic growth and if you are against economic growth, you are against jobs.”
We then hear about Stewart/Stuart. Who has a similar story to Alan, Alan, Bruce, Campbell, Cullen and Margaret.We then hear about Stewart/Stuart. Who has a similar story to Alan, Alan, Bruce, Campbell, Cullen and Margaret.
Jim Chalmers to Malcolm Turnbull:Jim Chalmers to Malcolm Turnbull:
The leaked draft statement for the Business Council reveals that big business wouldn’t even commit to ‘increase wages when the conditions are right’. Given that over the last two years, wages have grown by only 4%, while company profits have increased by 32%, has the Prime Minister had any discussions with big business about just how much more profit they need if all they will give a fair share to their workers? “The leaked draft statement for the Business Council reveals that big business wouldn’t even commit to increase wages when the conditions are right. Given that over the last two years wages have grown by only 4%, while company profits have increased by 32%, has the prime minister had any discussions with big business about just how much more profit they need if all they will give a fair share to their workers?”
Turnbull: (who introduces us to Margaret) Turnbull (who introduces us to Margaret):
“...The reality is that the same Treasury analysis that advised his boss, the member for Lilley, treasurer at the time, but it would add $450 into the pockets of Australian workers, have given the same analysis, says that the company tax plan we are taking through to the Senate will deliver $750 into Australian workers pockets. It is exactly the same analysis, probably by the same analysts. There was a time when the Labor Party understood and adhered to economic orthodoxy. It is all thrown away in this chase after pensioners and self funded retirees savings. Mr Speaker, just to give the honorable member opposite the latest dispatch from their latest class war, I would remind them of what Margaret Sykes,a lady in her 70s, said to me this morning. She said, my husband worked [multiple] jobs as a young man to make sure we were self-reliant when we were older. He died in 2010, still working. Before he died he worked so hard to make sure I was looked after. I am a self-funded retiree, I have shares to supplement my income, I am not one of Bill Shorten’s millionaires, I don’t go on holidays or smoke, drink or dine out, just a person who is not dependent on Centrelink. Margaret Sykes. They are the people the Labor Party is after.” ... The reality is that the same treasury analysis that advised his boss, the member for Lilley, treasurer at the time, that it would add $450 into the pockets of Australian workers, have given the same analysis, says that the company tax plan we are taking through to the Senate will deliver $750 into Australian workers’ pockets. It is exactly the same analysis, probably by the same analysts. There was a time when the Labor party understood and adhered to economic orthodoxy. It is all thrown away in this chase after pensioners and self-funded retirees savings. Mr Speaker, just to give the honourable member opposite the latest dispatch from their latest class war, I would remind them of what Margaret Sykes, a lady in her 70s, said to me this morning. She said, ‘My husband worked [multiple] jobs as a young man to make sure we were self-reliant when we were older. He died in 2010, still working. Before he died he worked so hard to make sure I was looked after. I am a self-funded retiree, I have shares to supplement my income, I am not one of Bill Shorten’s millionaires, I don’t go on holidays or smoke, drink or dine out, just a person who is not dependent on Centrelink.’ They are the people the Labor Party is after.”
Kelly O’Dwyer finishes a dixer with “it is like putting mag wheels, a spoiler and a speed [inaudible] on a Hyundai excel. It is no good.” Kelly O’Dwyer finishes a dixer with: “It is like putting mag wheels, a spoiler and a speed [inaudible] on a Hyundai excel. It is no good.”
Well obviously she has never been to the Gold Coast.Well obviously she has never been to the Gold Coast.
Mike Bowers ran out of the chamber to (legally) bring you some images from the protest which interrupted question time earlier. The group were calling for a more compassionate response to refugees.Mike Bowers ran out of the chamber to (legally) bring you some images from the protest which interrupted question time earlier. The group were calling for a more compassionate response to refugees.
Julie Collins to Malcolm Turnbull:Julie Collins to Malcolm Turnbull:
The leaked draft statement from the Business Council reveals big business refused to commit to create more Australian jobs in the cities, suburbs and towns and bush when big business won’t commit to create more jobs in the cities,suburbs, towns and bush, why is the Prime Minister so committed to giving big business a $65 billion handout?The leaked draft statement from the Business Council reveals big business refused to commit to create more Australian jobs in the cities, suburbs and towns and bush when big business won’t commit to create more jobs in the cities,suburbs, towns and bush, why is the Prime Minister so committed to giving big business a $65 billion handout?
Scott Morrison takes it.Scott Morrison takes it.
“The member must be completely unaware of the statements by Alan Joyce, the CEO of Qantas, Rob Scott, the CEO of Wesfarmers, the Australian Retailers Association, Peter Coleman, Woodside Alison Watkins, the managing director of Coca-Cola, just some of the very large companies that employ tens,hundreds of thousands of Australians who have committed, who have been out there making it very clear that this very simple principle that if you make business not pay as much money to the government, they are in a much better position to give workers a pay rise.” “The member must be completely unaware of the statements by Alan Joyce, the CEO of Qantas, Rob Scott, the CEO of Wesfarmers, the Australian Retailers Association’s Peter Coleman, Woodside’s Alison Watkins, the managing director of Coca-Cola, just some of the very large companies that employ tens of hundreds of thousands of Australians who have committed, who have been out there making it very clear that this very simple principle that if you make business not pay as much money to the government, they are in a much better position to give workers a pay rise.”
He goes on and includes a photo prop of Chris Bowen. But there is so much yelling and it’s been such a long week that I gave up half way through the transcript.He goes on and includes a photo prop of Chris Bowen. But there is so much yelling and it’s been such a long week that I gave up half way through the transcript.
Second verse same as the first.... Second verse same as the first ...
Chris Bowen to Malcolm Turnbull:Chris Bowen to Malcolm Turnbull:
A leaked draft statement from the Business Council reveals that big business refused to commit to increased wages when the conditions are right. When big business won’t even commit to increasing wages when the conditions are right, why is the prime minister so committed to giving big is this a $65bn tax cut?”A leaked draft statement from the Business Council reveals that big business refused to commit to increased wages when the conditions are right. When big business won’t even commit to increasing wages when the conditions are right, why is the prime minister so committed to giving big is this a $65bn tax cut?”
Turnbull:Turnbull:
“I quoted the member for Sydney’s heroine Julia Gillard on this subject where she said if you are against cutting company tax you are against economic growth and if you are against economic growth, you are against jobs and she obviously, well, we know, she is a great admirer, as is the member for McMahon, of the former Labor prime minister Paul Keating, a very distinguished Labor treasurer.“I quoted the member for Sydney’s heroine Julia Gillard on this subject where she said if you are against cutting company tax you are against economic growth and if you are against economic growth, you are against jobs and she obviously, well, we know, she is a great admirer, as is the member for McMahon, of the former Labor prime minister Paul Keating, a very distinguished Labor treasurer.
“And his experience was, after many years in that job, that lowering company tax, as he did very substantially, resulted in more investment, higher productivity, more jobs and higher wages. That was the consistent experience. There was one other great saying of Paul Keating that the honourable member for McMahon would remember. That is that in the great race of life you should always back self interest because it is trying.“And his experience was, after many years in that job, that lowering company tax, as he did very substantially, resulted in more investment, higher productivity, more jobs and higher wages. That was the consistent experience. There was one other great saying of Paul Keating that the honourable member for McMahon would remember. That is that in the great race of life you should always back self interest because it is trying.
“The reality is, the reason businesses invest more and employ more and pay higher wages when there is more economic growth is because they want to make a profit. In other words, you give [it] the incentive to get ahead, you give business the ability to be competitive and then it will get going and do so. And Paul Keating could see that, Julia Gillard could see that. There were days when the member for McMahon could see it but it’s all gone a bit cloudy now, the rear vision mirror ... and neither can the leader of the opposition recall what he said in the house.”“The reality is, the reason businesses invest more and employ more and pay higher wages when there is more economic growth is because they want to make a profit. In other words, you give [it] the incentive to get ahead, you give business the ability to be competitive and then it will get going and do so. And Paul Keating could see that, Julia Gillard could see that. There were days when the member for McMahon could see it but it’s all gone a bit cloudy now, the rear vision mirror ... and neither can the leader of the opposition recall what he said in the house.”
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Brendan O’Connor to Malcolm Turnbull: A leaked draft reveals that big business refused to commit to create more Australian jobs if the Senate passed the prime minister’s $65bn handout. When big business won’t commit to create more Australian jobs, why is the prime minister so committed to giving big business a $65bn tax handout?Brendan O’Connor to Malcolm Turnbull: A leaked draft reveals that big business refused to commit to create more Australian jobs if the Senate passed the prime minister’s $65bn handout. When big business won’t commit to create more Australian jobs, why is the prime minister so committed to giving big business a $65bn tax handout?
(I feel like I will be saying these words in my sleep, I have now heard them so often.)(I feel like I will be saying these words in my sleep, I have now heard them so often.)
Christopher Pyne jumps up to say that the question is “almost” exactly the same as one which has been answered, so can’t be asked again. Tony Smith cuts him off and says, yup “almost” and therefore it is allowable.Christopher Pyne jumps up to say that the question is “almost” exactly the same as one which has been answered, so can’t be asked again. Tony Smith cuts him off and says, yup “almost” and therefore it is allowable.
Scott Morrison looks like he probably has a story to tell us about Princess Consuela Bananahammock and how she will be impacted by Labor’s policy, so he takes the question.Scott Morrison looks like he probably has a story to tell us about Princess Consuela Bananahammock and how she will be impacted by Labor’s policy, so he takes the question.
It is “almost” like an answer we have heard before.It is “almost” like an answer we have heard before.
“The Liberal and National party are creating more jobs by backing businesses. That is what we are doing. We have always believed that, Mr Speaker, and we have always acted consistently from backing businesses from small to large. They are the engines of growth in our economy and that is where higher wages come from; that’s where investment comes from; that’s where jobs come from and that is why as the government,as the Liberal and National parties, we have been committed to follow through on our convictions to do the right thing so jobs can be created, and we have created 420,000 jobs in the last 12 months. We are only a few thousand jobs shy of the million jobs that we promised would be created under a Coalition government when we came to office in 2013 and we are close to hitting that mark six months in advance of the promised period, Mr Speaker, we are sticking to our commitments, we are sticking to our beliefs.”“The Liberal and National party are creating more jobs by backing businesses. That is what we are doing. We have always believed that, Mr Speaker, and we have always acted consistently from backing businesses from small to large. They are the engines of growth in our economy and that is where higher wages come from; that’s where investment comes from; that’s where jobs come from and that is why as the government,as the Liberal and National parties, we have been committed to follow through on our convictions to do the right thing so jobs can be created, and we have created 420,000 jobs in the last 12 months. We are only a few thousand jobs shy of the million jobs that we promised would be created under a Coalition government when we came to office in 2013 and we are close to hitting that mark six months in advance of the promised period, Mr Speaker, we are sticking to our commitments, we are sticking to our beliefs.”
He follows up yesterday’s “You Muppet” comment in the direction of Chris Bowen with a reference to “numpty ideas”.He follows up yesterday’s “You Muppet” comment in the direction of Chris Bowen with a reference to “numpty ideas”.