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Pompeo Defends Trump With ‘Proof’ of Administration’s Actions vs. Russia Pompeo Defends Trump With ‘Proof’ of Administration’s Actions vs. Russia
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WASHINGTON — Mike Pompeo, the secretary of state, offered Congress what he called “proof” on Wednesday that President Trump is willing to hold Russia accountable for its malign activities, including interfering in American elections and misbehavior around the world. WASHINGTON — Mike Pompeo, the secretary of state, told skeptical senators on Wednesday that the Trump administration has taken a truckload of punitive actions against Moscow as “proof” it is tough on Russia as the White House walked back an invitation for President Vladimir V. Putin to visit Washington this fall.
In testimony to the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, Mr. Pompeo said that the president is “well aware of the challenges that Russia poses” and has taken “a staggering number of actions to protect our interests.” He defended Mr. Trump’s summit meeting last week in Finland with President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia that sowed doubts about the American president’s ability to confront Moscow. Yet during a combative three-hour Senate hearing, Mr. Pompeo repeatedly declined to provide specifics about a one-on-one meeting between President Trump and Mr. Putin last week in Helsinki, Finland — including the possibility of relaxing sanctions on Moscow, military cooperation in Syria or the future of Crimea.
The testimony amounts to an elaborate cleanup effort by the nation’s top diplomat for Mr. Trump’s performance in Helsinki, during which he cast doubt on his own intelligence community’s conclusion that Russia had interfered in the 2016 presidential election. Mr. Pompeo angrily dismissed questions about the deep gulf between the administration’s tough policies on Russia and Mr. Trump’s own warm statements about Mr. Putin.
It was followed by a week of halfhearted walk-backs and position shifts that have left many lawmakers questioning Mr. Trump’s ability to be tough with Russia. “You somehow disconnect the administration’s activities from the president’s actions,” Mr. Pompeo told the Senate Foreign Relations Committee. “They’re one and the same.”
“In the summit’s aftermath, we saw an American president who appeared submissive and deferential,” said Senator Bob Corker, Republican of Tennessee and chairman of the Foreign Relations Committee. And for the first time, Mr. Pompeo acknowledged that North Korea is continuing to produce nuclear fuel for its weapons program, even as the administration claims progress toward the goal of denuclearization.
“We are antagonizing our friends and placating those who clearly wish us ill,” Mr. Corker added, calling the Helsinki talks “perhaps the most troubling example of this troubling reality.” “Yes, they continue to produce fissile material,” he told the committee, using the term for nuclear material that can be used in a bomb.
The top Democrat on the committee, Senator Robert Menendez of New Jersey, told Mr. Pompeo that American citizens and their elected officials have heard more about what happened in the closed-door Helsinki meeting from Moscow than from their own president. His testimony amounted to an elaborate cleanup effort by the United States’ top diplomat for Mr. Trump’s performance in Helsinki, during which he cast doubt on his own intelligence community’s conclusion that Russia had interfered in the 2016 presidential election. The meeting with Mr. Putin was followed by a week of halfhearted walk-backs and position shifts that have left many lawmakers questioning Mr. Trump’s ability to be tough with Russia.
“We don’t know what the truth is, because nobody else was in the room when it happened,” Mr. Menendez said. Under blistering pressure for details of the talks, Mr. Pompeo shot back: “Presidents are entitled to have private meetings.”
On the election interference in particular, Mr. Pompeo told the committee that the president accepts the findings that the Russian cyberattacks took place, and that he “has a complete and proper understanding of what happened.” At times, he dismissed Democratic senators’ attempts to elicit answers as politically motivated. “I understand the game that you’re playing,” he told Senator Bob Menendez, of New Jersey, the panel’s top Democrat.
“If President Obama did what President Trump did in Helsinki, I’d be peeling you off the Capitol ceiling,” Mr. Menendez said later.
The criticism came from both parties. Senator Bob Corker, Republican of Tennessee and the chairman of the committee, opened the session saying that Mr. Trump had been “submissive and deferential” to Mr. Putin in Helsinki, and derided the administration’s foreign policy as an incoherent “ready, fire, aim” approach.
“It’s the president’s actions that create tremendous distrust in our nation, among our allies — it’s palpable,” Mr. Corker said at one point.
In an apparent attempt to accomplish what the president’s own statements had not, Mr. Pompeo came armed with a formal declaration refusing to recognize Russia’s seizure of Crimea in 2014. He insisted to a packed hearing room that the president was “well aware of the challenges that Russia poses” and had taken “a staggering number of actions to protect our interests.”
In one testy exchange with Senator Tom Udall, Democrat of New Mexico, Mr. Pompeo began reciting a litany of actions the administration has taken against Moscow, offering to send a full list to the committee as “proof” — including imposing sanctions, expelling diplomats, closing a consulate and providing weapons to Ukraine, where the military is fighting Russian-backed separatists.
“We’ll back a truck up and get it on in here,” Mr. Pompeo said with a glare.
Just before the hearing began, the White House announced it was delaying an invitation to Mr. Putin to meet with Mr. Trump this fall in Washington. A statement by John R. Bolton, the national security adviser, said the follow-up meeting between the two presidents should take place at the conclusion of the special counsel’s investigation into Russian election interference — “after the Russia witch hunt is over, so we’ve agreed that it will be after the first of the year.”
Russian officials had not yet committed to the invitation.
In his testimony, Mr. Pompeo sought but fell short of assuring senators that the United States would never acknowledge Russia’s annexation of Crimea. He did not directly answer whether sanctions to punish Russia for seizing the Ukrainian peninsula would remain in place in perpetuity.
Instead, Mr. Pompeo repeatedly restated United States policy, saying that after the Helsinki summit meeting, the stance on sanctions “remains completely unchanged,” and that “no commitment has been made to change those policies.” But he did not speak to whether Mr. Trump had signaled any willingness to reconsider or modify them.
Mr. Menendez told Mr. Pompeo that American citizens and their elected officials have heard more about what happened in the closed-door Helsinki meeting from Moscow than from their own president.
“We don’t know what the truth is, because nobody else was in the room where it happened,” Mr. Menendez said.
On the election interference in particular, Mr. Pompeo told the committee that the president accepts the findings that the Russian cyberattacks took place and that he “has a complete and proper understanding of what happened.”
“I know — I briefed him on it for over a year,” Mr. Pompeo said, referring to his time as C.I.A. director.“I know — I briefed him on it for over a year,” Mr. Pompeo said, referring to his time as C.I.A. director.
He insisted Mr. Trump deeply respects the work of the intelligence community — a notion the president left in doubt in Helsinki when he said he had to weigh its assertions about election interference against Mr. Putin’s strong denials that it took place.He insisted Mr. Trump deeply respects the work of the intelligence community — a notion the president left in doubt in Helsinki when he said he had to weigh its assertions about election interference against Mr. Putin’s strong denials that it took place.
Mr. Pompeo offered what he described as “proof” that Mr. Trump holds Russia accountable when warranted, including the imposition of sanctions, the expulsion of diplomats and closing of a consulate, and the provision of arms to Ukraine, where the military is fighting Russian-backed separatists, among other steps. Mr. Pompeo spent much of the hearing attempting to persuade senators it that it was the Trump administration’s policies — not the president’s own words — that mattered. At times, under questioning from the lawmakers, that meant the secretary of state contradicted Mr. Trump.
And Mr. Pompeo pointed to a formal declaration, issued by the State Department just before he was scheduled to speak, that refused to recognize Russia’s annexation of Crimea and said it was “in contravention of international law.” That was the case when it came to Mr. Trump’s frequent complaints that NATO allies have been delinquent in paying their bills to the United States — a mischaracterization that Mr. Corker called out.
The statement confirmed what had already been the policy of the Trump administration, after Mr. Trump has seemed to equivocate about his position and amid assertions by Russian officials that he and Mr. Putin discussed determining the fate of the region through a referendum. “That’s a misnomer, is it not?” Mr. Corker said. “These NATO countries are not not paying bills to the United States, as sometimes is projected.”
The hearing got off to a contentious start as Mr. Pompeo pushed back strongly against attempts by Mr. Menendez to question him about what had transpired in the more than two hours of one-on-one talks between Mr. Trump and Mr. Putin. Mr. Pompeo agreed. “That’s correct,” he said.
Mr. Pompeo did not attend that meeting, and on Wednesday sidestepped specific queries about whether they discussed the possibility of relaxing sanctions on Moscow, what Mr. Trump said about Crimea and details of their conversations about Syria. Mr. Trump’s conflicting statements since Helsinki have not helped matters.
“Presidents are entitled to have private meetings,” Mr. Pompeo said, at one point interjecting, “I understand the game that you’re playing.”
Mr. Pompeo repeatedly sought refuge in restating United States policy, saying that the stance on sanctions against Russia “remains completely unchanged,” and that “no commitment has been made to change those policies.” But he did not speak to whether Mr. Trump had signaled any willingness to reconsider or modify them.
“You’re not going to answer any of the questions that would get us to the truth,” Mr. Menendez eventually shot back.
On Tuesday, Mr. Pompeo said that he had spoken to Mr. Trump and Russia’s foreign minister, Sergey V. Lavrov, about the Helsinki discussions. On Wednesday, the secretary of state said Mr. Trump and Mr. Putin “agree to disagree” on Ukraine.
Most of the world’s nations and international bodies — including the United States, Europe, the United Nations and NATO — do not recognize Russia’s seizing of the Ukrainian peninsula.
The Trump administration has repeatedly said in the past that it does not recognize Crimea as part of Russia. But Mr. Trump said during the 2016 presidential campaign that he would consider recognizing the annexation.
After the meeting in Helsinki, the Russian ambassador to the United States said that the presidents had privately discussed the possibility of a referendum to determine the future of Ukraine. But a White House spokesman for the National Security Council rejected any such referendum, saying it would have “no legitimacy.”
At another point, Senator Jeanne Shaheen, Democrat of New Hampshire, asked whether the two presidents had discussed scaling back the United States military presence in Syria. Mr. Pompeo repeated that “there’s been no change to U.S. policy.”At another point, Senator Jeanne Shaheen, Democrat of New Hampshire, asked whether the two presidents had discussed scaling back the United States military presence in Syria. Mr. Pompeo repeated that “there’s been no change to U.S. policy.”
“That’s not exactly the question,” Ms. Shaheen responded.“That’s not exactly the question,” Ms. Shaheen responded.
“It’s what matters,” Mr. Pompeo answered back testily. “What matters is what President Trump has directed us to do following his meeting.”“It’s what matters,” Mr. Pompeo answered back testily. “What matters is what President Trump has directed us to do following his meeting.”
His responses highlighted the gulf between Mr. Trump’s statements and actions toward Russia when contrasted to the tough policies of his administration. But he conceded that Mr. Trump’s words reflect United States policy.
The Russian and American militaries are on opposing sides in Syria’s seven-year civil war. Moscow is the strongest state backer of President Bashar al-Assad of Syria; in April, the United States struck several sites in Syria to punish Mr. Assad’s chemical weapons program. “It is the case that the president calls the ball,” Mr. Pompeo said. “His statements are, in fact, policy.”
Mr. Pompeo spent much of the hearing attempting to persuade senators in both parties who expressed concern about Mr. Trump that it was the administration’s policy’s — not the president’s own words — that mattered. Mr. Pompeo’s decision to concede that American intelligence agencies believe North Korea is still producing nuclear fuel was significant.
At times, under questioning from the lawmakers, that meant the secretary of state contradicted Mr. Trump. It runs counter to the narrative that Mr. Trump has been pressing, one in which the North is making good progress on its promises to him in the June summit meeting in Singapore. The acknowledgment of continued nuclear production suggests that even as the negotiations inch forward, the magnitude of the problem is increasing.
That was the case when it came to Mr. Trump’s frequent complaints that NATO allies have been delinquent in paying their bills to the United States, a mischaracterization that Mr. Corker called out. For Kim Jong-un, the North Korean leader, the continued production of nuclear material may be a pressure tactic. The C.I.A. — which Mr. Pompeo headed last year — believes that Mr. Kim will never give up all of his nuclear capability, but may negotiate a reduction in parts of it.
“That’s a misnomer, is it not?” Mr. Corker said. “These NATO countries are not not paying bills to the United States, as sometimes is projected.”
Mr. Pompeo agreed. “That’s correct.,” he said.
Beyond demanding answers about what happened during the Trump-Putin meeting, lawmakers also have been talking about taking additional actions to counter Russian aggression.
On Tuesday, Mr. Menendez and Senator Lindsey Graham, Republican of South Carolina, outlined legislation they are preparing to put new sanctions on Russia.
The additional sanctions, the senators said in a joint statement, are intended to “ensure the maximum impact on the Kremlin’s campaign against our democracy and the rules-based international order.”
It was only six weeks ago that Mr. Trump met with the North Korean leader, Kim Jong-un. Mr. Menendez noted last week that the panel had originally sought for Mr. Pompeo to appear to discuss the North Korea summit, which was held in Singapore in June.
That subject came up as well, and Mr. Pompeo pledged to protect tough international sanctions against North Korea’s nuclear program from attempts — largely by Russia and China — to water down or otherwise evade them.