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| Brexit: MPs debate no-confidence motion after May's deal defeat – Politics live | Brexit: MPs debate no-confidence motion after May's deal defeat – Politics live |
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| Here is the full transcript of what Michel Barnier, the EU’s chief Brexit negotiator, told the European parliament this morning about the Commons Brexit vote. He said “the risk of a no deal has never been so high.” | |
| The transcript also includes the comments from Frans Timmermans, the European commission vice president, on the same subject. In the light of claims that a lot of the Brexit debate is driven by fantasy, it is appropriate that he ended his remarks with this (rather good) quote from CS Lewis. | |
| Let me end with a quote by C.S. Lewis: “We cannot go back and change the beginning. But we can start where we are and change the ending”. | |
| Another independent MP, Sylvia Hermon, who represents North Down in Northern Ireland, has said she will not be voting for the motion of no-confidence in the government, the New Statesman’s Patrick Maguire reports. | |
| This won’t be news to anyone who has so much as Googled her (niche audience I know), but Lady Hermon tells me she will back May tonight and indeed won’t ever vote in such a way that puts Corbyn closer to No10. Makes Labour’s long game a bit harder. https://t.co/4PVJEUJXNH | |
| John Woodcock, who was elected as a Labour MP but now sits as an independent after leaving the party because of his opposition to Jeremy Corbyn and over a disciplinary case, has told the Commons he will not be voting for the motion of no-confidence in the government this evening. He said he thought Corbyn and John McDonnell, the shadow chancellor, were not fit to hold high office. | |
| The Labour MP Tulip Siddiq, who delayed her caesarean section so that she could vote in last night’s division, and who had to be taken through the lobby in a wheelchair, will be “nodded through” tonight. That is a procedure normally used for MPs who are seriously ill. As long as they are on the parliamentary estate at the time of the vote, and witnessed by a whip, their vote is counted as if they had gone through the division lobby in person. | |
| In a series of Tweets, Siddiq said she was doing this because she had received a personal assurance from the prime minister that the Tories would honour the system. | |
| In light of the PM's personal assurances to me yesterday, I will be 'nodded through' for tonight's vote of no confidence. I went through the division lobby in a wheelchair last night because pairing is broken, there is no proxy voting, and I wanted my vote recorded. | |
| Nodding through is not ideal, I will still have to travel to Parliament & wait for whips to check I am present even though I am giving birth tomorrow. The UK is in chaos and, clearly, much greater issues face the country, but Parliament needs dragging into the 21st century ASAP. | |
| At his regular press briefing in Brussels earlier today, Margaritis Schinas, the spokesman for the European commission, said it was up to London to decide what happened next in the Brexit process. He said: | |
| The next move has to come from London. There is nothing else we can do from here at this stage. What matters at this stage … is that we know what to expect from the UK, and that we don’t know. | |
| The Welsh first minister, Mark Drakeford, has said Theresa May should resign – but also argued that if she survives the confidence vote she ought to be given a few days to find a way through the impasse. Speaking in the Senedd in Cardiff, Drakeford said: | The Welsh first minister, Mark Drakeford, has said Theresa May should resign – but also argued that if she survives the confidence vote she ought to be given a few days to find a way through the impasse. Speaking in the Senedd in Cardiff, Drakeford said: |
| We need a new House of Commons and a new government to find a fresh way forward. That approach should rule out a no-deal exit and protect jobs and the economy here in Wales. | We need a new House of Commons and a new government to find a fresh way forward. That approach should rule out a no-deal exit and protect jobs and the economy here in Wales. |
| Any prime minister who finds herself defeated in the way this prime minister has been when attempting to discharge the single most important responsibility that will ever fall to her should resign. That is the constitutionally proper form of action. | Any prime minister who finds herself defeated in the way this prime minister has been when attempting to discharge the single most important responsibility that will ever fall to her should resign. That is the constitutionally proper form of action. |
| The greatest threat to Wales is that we crash out of the European Union with no deal at all, with all the damage that will cause to business, to jobs. | The greatest threat to Wales is that we crash out of the European Union with no deal at all, with all the damage that will cause to business, to jobs. |
| He said the point may come when a people’s vote is the only way to break the impasse. | He said the point may come when a people’s vote is the only way to break the impasse. |
| But Drakeford also said May had told him in a telephone conversation that she would work with devolved administrations as well as parliamentarians to find a way through. He said: | But Drakeford also said May had told him in a telephone conversation that she would work with devolved administrations as well as parliamentarians to find a way through. He said: |
| If she is in a position to do that after today, I think we have to allow her the few days at her disposal to see if that can be brought about. If there is a deal that she can do that meets the tests set out by my party, there may yet be a deal to be done. If that is not the case then I agree in those circumstances that the decision will have to go back to the people. | If she is in a position to do that after today, I think we have to allow her the few days at her disposal to see if that can be brought about. If there is a deal that she can do that meets the tests set out by my party, there may yet be a deal to be done. If that is not the case then I agree in those circumstances that the decision will have to go back to the people. |
| Drakeford met today with members of Plaid Cymru and Welsh Tories to discuss no-deal contingencies. He said he had not met members of Ukip because they did not believe there was any need to prepare for no-deal. | Drakeford met today with members of Plaid Cymru and Welsh Tories to discuss no-deal contingencies. He said he had not met members of Ukip because they did not believe there was any need to prepare for no-deal. |
| The Commons Brexit committee has published a report (pdf) saying MPs should be given a series of indicative votes on what happens next. Voting in the Commons is normally binary – MPs either vote for or against a proposition – but on Brexit there is increasing support for an alternative approach that would enable MPs to vote on a series of options, so as to show which had most support. | The Commons Brexit committee has published a report (pdf) saying MPs should be given a series of indicative votes on what happens next. Voting in the Commons is normally binary – MPs either vote for or against a proposition – but on Brexit there is increasing support for an alternative approach that would enable MPs to vote on a series of options, so as to show which had most support. |
| The committee suggests MPs should be given a vote on four options. It explains them like this. | The committee suggests MPs should be given a vote on four options. It explains them like this. |
| 1. To hold another vote on the draft withdrawal agreement and framework for the future relationship. | 1. To hold another vote on the draft withdrawal agreement and framework for the future relationship. |
| 2. To leave the EU with no deal on 29 March with no agreement on future relations in place and with no transition/implementation period. | 2. To leave the EU with no deal on 29 March with no agreement on future relations in place and with no transition/implementation period. |
| 3. To call on the government to seek to renegotiate the deal to achieve a specific outcome, be it a variation of the terms of the separation set out in the withdrawal agreement or providing clarity about the end state of future relations as set out in the political declaration. The main renegotiation possibilities would be: 1) Seeking changes to the text in the withdrawal agreement on the backstop arrangements; 2) Seeking a Canada-style deal: 3) Seeking to join the EEA through the EFTA pillar and remaining in a customs union with the EU or a variation on this. | 3. To call on the government to seek to renegotiate the deal to achieve a specific outcome, be it a variation of the terms of the separation set out in the withdrawal agreement or providing clarity about the end state of future relations as set out in the political declaration. The main renegotiation possibilities would be: 1) Seeking changes to the text in the withdrawal agreement on the backstop arrangements; 2) Seeking a Canada-style deal: 3) Seeking to join the EEA through the EFTA pillar and remaining in a customs union with the EU or a variation on this. |
| 4. In addition to these policy choices about the UK’s future relationship, parliament could decide to hold a second referendum to allow the British people to decide either which kind of Brexit deal they want or whether they wish to remain in the EU. | 4. In addition to these policy choices about the UK’s future relationship, parliament could decide to hold a second referendum to allow the British people to decide either which kind of Brexit deal they want or whether they wish to remain in the EU. |
| The committee, which is chaired by the Labour MP Hilary Benn, agreed the report by a majority. Four pro-Brexit members – the Tories Sir Christopher Chope, Craig Mackinlay, John Whittingdale and the DUP’s Sammy Wilson – voted against. | The committee, which is chaired by the Labour MP Hilary Benn, agreed the report by a majority. Four pro-Brexit members – the Tories Sir Christopher Chope, Craig Mackinlay, John Whittingdale and the DUP’s Sammy Wilson – voted against. |
| The government has not yet said when, or how, MPs will get to hold the debate that must take place following the Commons decision to vote down Theresa May’s Brexit deal yesterday. But in response to a point of order after the vote last night, John Bercow, the Speaker, indicated he would do what he could to ensure that debates and votes do take place. He said: | The government has not yet said when, or how, MPs will get to hold the debate that must take place following the Commons decision to vote down Theresa May’s Brexit deal yesterday. But in response to a point of order after the vote last night, John Bercow, the Speaker, indicated he would do what he could to ensure that debates and votes do take place. He said: |
| Of one thing I am sure: that which members wish to debate and which they determine shall be subject to a vote will be debated and voted upon. That seems to me to be so blindingly obvious that no sensible person would disagree with the proposition. If MPs want to debate and vote on a matter, that opportunity will, I am sure, unfold in the period ahead. | Of one thing I am sure: that which members wish to debate and which they determine shall be subject to a vote will be debated and voted upon. That seems to me to be so blindingly obvious that no sensible person would disagree with the proposition. If MPs want to debate and vote on a matter, that opportunity will, I am sure, unfold in the period ahead. |
| Anyone who thought that the first no-confidence debate in the Commons for almost a quarter of a century was going to be a vintage occasion will have been disappointed – at least by the opening statements. Jeremy Corbyn’s speech was a little rambling and definitely not one of his best. Theresa May’s was not hugely better, although she did seem to be enjoying herself more than the opposition leader (bizarrely, in the circumstances, but who knows how the May psyche works). It did not generate big news, but there were some interesting lines. Here they are: | Anyone who thought that the first no-confidence debate in the Commons for almost a quarter of a century was going to be a vintage occasion will have been disappointed – at least by the opening statements. Jeremy Corbyn’s speech was a little rambling and definitely not one of his best. Theresa May’s was not hugely better, although she did seem to be enjoying herself more than the opposition leader (bizarrely, in the circumstances, but who knows how the May psyche works). It did not generate big news, but there were some interesting lines. Here they are: |
| May signalled she is not willing to consider keeping the UK in a customs union for good (which is a Labour demand) when she opens cross-party talks on a new approach to Brexit. When asked about this explicitly by Labour’s Yvette Cooper, May replied: | May signalled she is not willing to consider keeping the UK in a customs union for good (which is a Labour demand) when she opens cross-party talks on a new approach to Brexit. When asked about this explicitly by Labour’s Yvette Cooper, May replied: |
| What I want to see is what the British people voted for. They voted for an end to free movement, they voted for an independent trade policy, they voted to end the jurisdiction of the European court of justice. And it is incumbent on this parliament to ensure that we deliver on that. | What I want to see is what the British people voted for. They voted for an end to free movement, they voted for an independent trade policy, they voted to end the jurisdiction of the European court of justice. And it is incumbent on this parliament to ensure that we deliver on that. |
| Being in the customs union would be incompatible with an independent trade policy, because the UK would not be free to strike its own trade deals. When the pro-European Tory Ken Clarke tackled her on the same issue, saying he had not met anyone who said they voted leave because they wanted to leave the customs union, May made a similar point. She said: | Being in the customs union would be incompatible with an independent trade policy, because the UK would not be free to strike its own trade deals. When the pro-European Tory Ken Clarke tackled her on the same issue, saying he had not met anyone who said they voted leave because they wanted to leave the customs union, May made a similar point. She said: |
| When they were [voting in the EU referendum] I believe they did vote to ensure we continue to have a good trading relationship with our nearest neighbours in the EU but also to improve our trading relationships with others around the world. | When they were [voting in the EU referendum] I believe they did vote to ensure we continue to have a good trading relationship with our nearest neighbours in the EU but also to improve our trading relationships with others around the world. |
| May was accused of being in denial about the extent of her difficulties over Brexit. Corbyn said the government was “not recognising the scale of the defeat they suffered last night”. Cooper said: “The problem is the prime minister seems to be talking as if she lost by 30 votes yesterday, not 230.” Labour’s Angela Eagle criticised May for “just repeating the lines to take that we have heard for the last five months ad nauseam” instead of accepting the need to change tack. And the SNP’s Pete Wishart said: | May was accused of being in denial about the extent of her difficulties over Brexit. Corbyn said the government was “not recognising the scale of the defeat they suffered last night”. Cooper said: “The problem is the prime minister seems to be talking as if she lost by 30 votes yesterday, not 230.” Labour’s Angela Eagle criticised May for “just repeating the lines to take that we have heard for the last five months ad nauseam” instead of accepting the need to change tack. And the SNP’s Pete Wishart said: |
| She’s lost a quarter of her cabinet, 170 members of her backbench want her gone, she’s experienced the biggest defeat in parliamentary history - what shred of credibility has her government got left? For goodness’ sake, prime minister, won’t you just go? | She’s lost a quarter of her cabinet, 170 members of her backbench want her gone, she’s experienced the biggest defeat in parliamentary history - what shred of credibility has her government got left? For goodness’ sake, prime minister, won’t you just go? |
| Corbyn revealed that, despite May saying she wants to hold cross-party talks with senior parliamentarians, she had not been in touch with him. He said: | Corbyn revealed that, despite May saying she wants to hold cross-party talks with senior parliamentarians, she had not been in touch with him. He said: |
| There has been no offer of all-party talks, there has been no communication on all-party talks – all the prime minister said was she might talk to some members of the house. That isn’t reaching out. | There has been no offer of all-party talks, there has been no communication on all-party talks – all the prime minister said was she might talk to some members of the house. That isn’t reaching out. |
| Corbyn accused May of heading a “zombie government” and said any previous government would have resigned if it had lost as badly as May’s did last night. He said: | Corbyn accused May of heading a “zombie government” and said any previous government would have resigned if it had lost as badly as May’s did last night. He said: |
| Last week they lost a vote on the finance bill, that’s what’s called supply. Yesterday they lost by the biggest margin ever, that’s what’s regarded as confidence. By any convention of this house, by any precedence, loss of both confidence and supply should mean they do the right thing and resign … | Last week they lost a vote on the finance bill, that’s what’s called supply. Yesterday they lost by the biggest margin ever, that’s what’s regarded as confidence. By any convention of this house, by any precedence, loss of both confidence and supply should mean they do the right thing and resign … |
| This government cannot govern and cannot command the support of parliament on the most important issue facing our country. Every previous prime minister in this situation would have resigned and called an election and it is the duty of this house to lead where the government has failed. | This government cannot govern and cannot command the support of parliament on the most important issue facing our country. Every previous prime minister in this situation would have resigned and called an election and it is the duty of this house to lead where the government has failed. |
| May said holding an election was “not in the national interest”. She said: | May said holding an election was “not in the national interest”. She said: |
| It would deepen division when we need unity, it would bring chaos when we need certainty, and it would bring delay when we need to move forward, so I believe this house should reject this motion. | It would deepen division when we need unity, it would bring chaos when we need certainty, and it would bring delay when we need to move forward, so I believe this house should reject this motion. |
| At this crucial moment in our nation’s history, a general election is simply not in the national interest. | At this crucial moment in our nation’s history, a general election is simply not in the national interest. |
| May criticised Corbyn’s record on security and said he would bring “national calamity” to the country if he became PM. She said: | May criticised Corbyn’s record on security and said he would bring “national calamity” to the country if he became PM. She said: |
| This is the leader of the party of Attlee, who called for the dismantling of Nato, the leader of the party of Bevan, who says Britain should unilaterally disarm herself and cross our fingers that others follow suit, the leader of the party that helped deliver the Belfast agreement, invited IRA terrorists into this parliament just weeks after their colleagues had murdered a member of this House. | This is the leader of the party of Attlee, who called for the dismantling of Nato, the leader of the party of Bevan, who says Britain should unilaterally disarm herself and cross our fingers that others follow suit, the leader of the party that helped deliver the Belfast agreement, invited IRA terrorists into this parliament just weeks after their colleagues had murdered a member of this House. |
| His leadership of the Labour party has been a betrayal of everything that party has stood for, a betrayal of the vast majority of its MPs and a betrayal of millions of decent and patriotic Labour voters. | His leadership of the Labour party has been a betrayal of everything that party has stood for, a betrayal of the vast majority of its MPs and a betrayal of millions of decent and patriotic Labour voters. |
| I look across the house and see backbench members who spent years serving their country in office in a Labour government, but I fear that today this is simply not a party that many of its own MPs joined. | I look across the house and see backbench members who spent years serving their country in office in a Labour government, but I fear that today this is simply not a party that many of its own MPs joined. |
| What he has done to his party is a national tragedy; what he would do to the country would be a national calamity. | What he has done to his party is a national tragedy; what he would do to the country would be a national calamity. |
| David Cameron, the former Conservative prime minister, has told the BBC he does not regret calling the EU referendum. He said: | David Cameron, the former Conservative prime minister, has told the BBC he does not regret calling the EU referendum. He said: |
| I do not regret calling the referendum. It was a promise I made two years before the 2015 general election, it was included in a manifesto, it was legislated for in parliament. | I do not regret calling the referendum. It was a promise I made two years before the 2015 general election, it was included in a manifesto, it was legislated for in parliament. |
| Obviously I regret that we lost that referendum. I deeply regret that. I was leading the campaign to stay in the European Union and obviously I regret the difficulties and problems we have been having in trying to implement the result of that referendum. | Obviously I regret that we lost that referendum. I deeply regret that. I was leading the campaign to stay in the European Union and obviously I regret the difficulties and problems we have been having in trying to implement the result of that referendum. |
| Cameron also said he backed Theresa May and he supported “her aim to have a partnership deal with Europe”. He continued: “That is what needs to be put in place. That is what parliament needs to try to deliver now.” | Cameron also said he backed Theresa May and he supported “her aim to have a partnership deal with Europe”. He continued: “That is what needs to be put in place. That is what parliament needs to try to deliver now.” |
| David Davis, the former Brexit secretary, has told the Commons European scrutiny committee there would be “quite visible anger” among the public if the UK has not left the EU or begun a transition process to withdraw by April. He told the committee: | David Davis, the former Brexit secretary, has told the Commons European scrutiny committee there would be “quite visible anger” among the public if the UK has not left the EU or begun a transition process to withdraw by April. He told the committee: |
| I think we will see quite visible anger from the public at large, and not just those who might be counted as leavers. | I think we will see quite visible anger from the public at large, and not just those who might be counted as leavers. |
| I have met quite a lot of erstwhile remainers who have said to me ‘I have changed my mind and next time I will vote leave’ or ‘Why is this proving such a difficult process?’ | I have met quite a lot of erstwhile remainers who have said to me ‘I have changed my mind and next time I will vote leave’ or ‘Why is this proving such a difficult process?’ |
| If they don’t see a delivery on the vote of 2016, it will be really serious indeed. | If they don’t see a delivery on the vote of 2016, it will be really serious indeed. |
| Appearing before the Commons’ education committee this morning, Damian Hinds, the education secretary for England, said he might have to second civil servants to other departments for no-deal Brexit planning. | Appearing before the Commons’ education committee this morning, Damian Hinds, the education secretary for England, said he might have to second civil servants to other departments for no-deal Brexit planning. |
| Asked about no-deal planning, he said: | Asked about no-deal planning, he said: |
| There’s a broader cross-governmental question about making sure that if there were to be a no deal, that those functions that are truly mission-critical, in the very sharpest sense, that government is collectively able to deliver. And that does involve departments like ours being asked to see who if needed we could release on a temporary basis to support those other departments. | There’s a broader cross-governmental question about making sure that if there were to be a no deal, that those functions that are truly mission-critical, in the very sharpest sense, that government is collectively able to deliver. And that does involve departments like ours being asked to see who if needed we could release on a temporary basis to support those other departments. |
| Is there a risk of civil servants being taken out of the DfE to go to other departments? On a temporary basis, absolutely. That is the reality of no deal – across government we would have to find resources to be able to make sure that mission-critical things for people’s way of life, supply of food and medicines and so on, that those things are protected. | Is there a risk of civil servants being taken out of the DfE to go to other departments? On a temporary basis, absolutely. That is the reality of no deal – across government we would have to find resources to be able to make sure that mission-critical things for people’s way of life, supply of food and medicines and so on, that those things are protected. |