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George Monbiot and young climate activists answer your questions – live George Monbiot and young climate activists answer your questions – live
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JohnSmith73 has this:
Climate change (and many other issues) will be solved relatively easily and quickly with the advancement of AI, machine learning and other technologies. Why are students not in school learning how to find solutions to these problems instead of taking a day off and complaining about it?
No technological solution is effective without the political pressure required to retire old technologies and replace them with better ones. It's a huge political struggle, thanks to the inordinate power of companies with sunk costs. We have had the means of electrifying transport - to give one example - for over a century, but it has been continually thwarted by industrial interests.
It is amazingly naive to expect that technology just strolls in and sorts it all out. By far the greatest factor is political will.
Here’s another one from George as the discussion continues below:
Children and youth are striking to demand action. But many of not most are themselves involved in one of the most damaging practices towards earth's climate, I mean consuming massive amounts of meat and diary in their diets.
What is their thought on this regard ?
Are they? I see young people leading on this. There's been a massive surge towards veganism by young people, which has resulted in a sevenfold increase in the UK within 5 years. Quite remarkable. And it should be recognised.
George has added his thoughts to an earlier question asked here (Are students naive to be asking politicians to be the agents of change? Was Greta Thunberg more on the ball when she went to Davos to speak to the one percent?):
It's a good question. But I think they recognise that the change won't come from asking anyone nicely. It'll come from generating such political pressure that politicians and other powerful people have to change course.
And you do it by building up your own strength, within the group, then pulling in the people closest to you, then moving on to the next closest etc. You're never going to do it by appealing to those furthest away from your position. It's the political momentum you generate that counts, and you must build it until it becomes unstoppable.
Claire, from Cambridgeshire, asks this:
What are the top five big things that urgently need to change to really make a difference; in policy, regulation, how money flows, in industry, agriculture...etc, and in what timescale?
1. Dethrone GDP as the measure of our well-being, and replace it with indicators whose optimisation does not require mass destruction.
2. Leave fossil fuels in the ground within 5 years, using a crash programme similar to the comprehensive retooling when the US entered the second world war, to replace them with low carbon alternatives.
3. Introduce a moratorium on new fossil-fuel dependent infrastructure.
4. Change farm subsidies to incentivise the retirement and rewilding of unproductive land, while encouraging a shift towards a plant-based diet.
5. Change the presumption permitting the exploitation of the seas: commercial fishing and other extractive activities should be permissible only under special licence, to be granted in exceptional circumstances.
As mentioned earlier, to mark the youth climate strikes around the world, Guardian Opinion is being edited in collaboration with the UK Student Climate Network today. You can read more from the series here, including a piece where a panel of politicians answer the activists.
What are UK politicians doing about climate change? Party leaders respond | Jeremy Corbyn and others
viney has this to say in the comments:
Young people are right to demonstrate their passionate concern about climate change. However, they may not envisage the type of world/society which the more extreme climate activists wish to see. I would like to ask which specific things you would be willing to give up entirely in the future, or pay very much more money for?
This is an interesting question but unfortunately I think you're directing it at the wrong people. We're under no illusions that everyone needs to take positive steps to live more environmentally friendly lifestyles, but I believe your question should be directed toward the powerful actors, big business and corporations accumulating vast amounts of wealth from the destruction of the planet.
It is precisely these actors and people that need to give certain things up to allow everyone else to prosper, not just economically, but environmentally as well. Our current system is not compatible with a just and healthy planet. We need change, and we need it now! Jake - UKSCN
jessthecrip asks:
How can we remain hopeful and positive whilst facing the increasingly scary reality of environmental breakdown? How can we best support and strengthen each other as activists?
Supporting each other is crucial. We cannot get through this alone. Social solidarity is essential to prevent burnout and despair. And it is amazingly effective.Some fascinating research shows that we experience much lower levels of physical and emotional pain if we have strong support networks.
We’re going to be wrapping the blog up in the next 30 minutes, but there’s still time for more discussion below.
Global coverage of today’s strikes will continue on our dedicated liveblog.
Climate strikes: students around the world walk out to demand change – live
Reader Harriet, 34, in Devon, says:
I think the school strikes are really inspirational. However, as adults we seem to be sitting back and allowing students to fight on our behalf. Would more pressure not be placed upon government policy if, for example, it was teachers themselves who were striking? How can we mobilise the adult population, which seems to be currently unwilling to face up to the reality of climate change?
Yes, I think there’s a lot to be said for adult strikes in this area. As long as we made it clear that we are following the lead of the young climate strikers, and not trying to make the movement ours. They are the leaders now, we are the followers. Where they want our help, we should be ready to provide it.
Oliver Quantrill, 48, in Wiltshire, asks:Oliver Quantrill, 48, in Wiltshire, asks:
How important do you think it is to be seen to be taking personal actions to live more sustainable lifestyles yourselves? You are asking politicians to make difficult decisions, potentially putting their personal ambitions to one side to stand up for what is right, so do you need to be seen to be making similar levels of commitment? Two obvious examples being choosing not to fly and reducing our consumption of meat.How important do you think it is to be seen to be taking personal actions to live more sustainable lifestyles yourselves? You are asking politicians to make difficult decisions, potentially putting their personal ambitions to one side to stand up for what is right, so do you need to be seen to be making similar levels of commitment? Two obvious examples being choosing not to fly and reducing our consumption of meat.
Hey Oliver, great to hear from you – Jake here again. The scale of the issue at hand means that to avert the climate crisis, we need to see those in power enact systemic change. Personal actions and lifestyle changes are positive, and definitely a step in the right direction, but sadly won’t be enough. We don’t think that individuals shouldn’t do their best, but the onus needs to move away from the individual and onto the powerful actors, politicians and big corporations.Hey Oliver, great to hear from you – Jake here again. The scale of the issue at hand means that to avert the climate crisis, we need to see those in power enact systemic change. Personal actions and lifestyle changes are positive, and definitely a step in the right direction, but sadly won’t be enough. We don’t think that individuals shouldn’t do their best, but the onus needs to move away from the individual and onto the powerful actors, politicians and big corporations.
Narcspotter asks:Narcspotter asks:
Why do [youth climate strikes] create such a powerful reaction from people who [call it] “a fraud, virtue signalling, left wing conspiracy” etc? Why do they take it so personally, that youth, and others, are protesting about the destruction of the planet that they also live on?Why do [youth climate strikes] create such a powerful reaction from people who [call it] “a fraud, virtue signalling, left wing conspiracy” etc? Why do they take it so personally, that youth, and others, are protesting about the destruction of the planet that they also live on?
Good question.Good question.
There's a virulent conspiracy theory circulating at the moment: the children can't possibly be organising and thinking for themselves. Someone must be controlling them.There's a virulent conspiracy theory circulating at the moment: the children can't possibly be organising and thinking for themselves. Someone must be controlling them.
Not one shred of evidence has been adduced to support it. Why? Because there isn't any.Not one shred of evidence has been adduced to support it. Why? Because there isn't any.
The strikes took us veterans by surprise - and they fill me with hope of a kind I thought I'd never feel again. We'll help if they ask for it. But they are the leaders now, and we are the followers.The strikes took us veterans by surprise - and they fill me with hope of a kind I thought I'd never feel again. We'll help if they ask for it. But they are the leaders now, and we are the followers.
The conspiracy theory is incredibly patronising and condescending, as well as implausible. As someone put it to me today, "The biggest argument against it is: have you ever tried telling a teenager what to do?"The conspiracy theory is incredibly patronising and condescending, as well as implausible. As someone put it to me today, "The biggest argument against it is: have you ever tried telling a teenager what to do?"
RicoS321 asks:RicoS321 asks:
Do you think that the children protesting today are aware of the links between climate change and [...] problems with the existing economic system? Can they make that link and do you get a sense of they are the generation that will change it?Do you think that the children protesting today are aware of the links between climate change and [...] problems with the existing economic system? Can they make that link and do you get a sense of they are the generation that will change it?
Young people protesting around the world today are very much aware of the links between the climate crisis and the existing economic system. We're the generation that grew up through the financial crisis, we're also the generation that will be worse off than our parents, inherit an Earth damaged beyond belief and riddled with systemic inequalities. We're united under the banner of "system change, not climate change". Out of the wreckage of this system, we need to collaborate, come together and create communities that prosper together, with climate justice as a core value. There's no reason we can't have a world that works for everyone, we just need to break away from the corporate greed and extractivist profit-making that has led to the potential impending climate breakdown. Jake - UKSCNYoung people protesting around the world today are very much aware of the links between the climate crisis and the existing economic system. We're the generation that grew up through the financial crisis, we're also the generation that will be worse off than our parents, inherit an Earth damaged beyond belief and riddled with systemic inequalities. We're united under the banner of "system change, not climate change". Out of the wreckage of this system, we need to collaborate, come together and create communities that prosper together, with climate justice as a core value. There's no reason we can't have a world that works for everyone, we just need to break away from the corporate greed and extractivist profit-making that has led to the potential impending climate breakdown. Jake - UKSCN
While we’re here, a chance to share this climate quiz, put together by UK Student Climate Network members who have collaborated to part edit Guardian Opinion today.While we’re here, a chance to share this climate quiz, put together by UK Student Climate Network members who have collaborated to part edit Guardian Opinion today.
Climate champion or climate dunce? Take this quiz to find outClimate champion or climate dunce? Take this quiz to find out
Let us know how you get on!Let us know how you get on!
Hugh, 28, a reader in New Zealand, says:Hugh, 28, a reader in New Zealand, says:
I feel powerless to make any real change in regards to climate change. I do everything I can but ultimately I know that on a person to person basis these actions don’t make enough of a difference. What can I actually do to make any difference to the industrial scale pollution, destruction, or consumerism that are the main contributors?I feel powerless to make any real change in regards to climate change. I do everything I can but ultimately I know that on a person to person basis these actions don’t make enough of a difference. What can I actually do to make any difference to the industrial scale pollution, destruction, or consumerism that are the main contributors?
As a consumer, you can make no appreciable difference, except in two areas: switching to a plant-based diet and changing your travel patterns (particularly cutting down/cutting out flights and cycling/walking/taking the bus rather than driving). In these two areas you can make a lot of difference. But you will make very little in seeking to buy a better kind of biscuit or cotton bud.As a consumer, you can make no appreciable difference, except in two areas: switching to a plant-based diet and changing your travel patterns (particularly cutting down/cutting out flights and cycling/walking/taking the bus rather than driving). In these two areas you can make a lot of difference. But you will make very little in seeking to buy a better kind of biscuit or cotton bud.
However, as a citizen, you can make a huge difference across all areas. Our struggles are primarily political, but we have been gulled into believing that we can win them by changing our buying choices. The media has put great effort into persuading us to see ourselves as consumers, not citizens. Don’t fall for it. Get political.However, as a citizen, you can make a huge difference across all areas. Our struggles are primarily political, but we have been gulled into believing that we can win them by changing our buying choices. The media has put great effort into persuading us to see ourselves as consumers, not citizens. Don’t fall for it. Get political.
jamiebd asks:jamiebd asks:
Working in the field of environmental education, I would be interested in knowing what young people think should be in a climate change curriculum. Do students feel let down by what is next to currently taught? Do students feel school gives them the skills to take effective action?Working in the field of environmental education, I would be interested in knowing what young people think should be in a climate change curriculum. Do students feel let down by what is next to currently taught? Do students feel school gives them the skills to take effective action?
It's clear as day, students and young people are not being taught anywhere near an adequate amount of information about the climate crisis in schools. The content is basic, and more importantly is severely lacking with regards to the amount of hours covered. It's likely what is covered is shoehorned into a couple of Geography lessons whereas in reality, this needs to be weaved through all strands of learning to incorporate environmental principles throughout all disciplines. Jake - UKSCNIt's clear as day, students and young people are not being taught anywhere near an adequate amount of information about the climate crisis in schools. The content is basic, and more importantly is severely lacking with regards to the amount of hours covered. It's likely what is covered is shoehorned into a couple of Geography lessons whereas in reality, this needs to be weaved through all strands of learning to incorporate environmental principles throughout all disciplines. Jake - UKSCN
Reader Janette Ward asks a question related to some of George’s recent writing on cars:Reader Janette Ward asks a question related to some of George’s recent writing on cars:
How can we compel the government to stop building roads and invest in public transport? How can we change the culture of cars as a status symbol and ensure that people travel by public transport whenever possible?How can we compel the government to stop building roads and invest in public transport? How can we change the culture of cars as a status symbol and ensure that people travel by public transport whenever possible?
This is a crucial issue, especially as, in rich nations like ours, transport has now become the top source of greenhouse gas emissions. Last week I called for a 90% cut in car use within a decade.This is a crucial issue, especially as, in rich nations like ours, transport has now become the top source of greenhouse gas emissions. Last week I called for a 90% cut in car use within a decade.
This might sound extreme, but it seems to me to be commensurate with the scale of the multiple crises cars are causing: climate breakdown, air pollution, resource use, use of space, domination of urban life etc. There’s a series of steps in any such process: think it, say it, debate it, campaign, change the system. There are lots of great organisations campaigning on these issues already. Join them.This might sound extreme, but it seems to me to be commensurate with the scale of the multiple crises cars are causing: climate breakdown, air pollution, resource use, use of space, domination of urban life etc. There’s a series of steps in any such process: think it, say it, debate it, campaign, change the system. There are lots of great organisations campaigning on these issues already. Join them.
JayBurton asks:
These students [striking today] are an inspiration to all of us! It gives me hope to see this, and I have participated in many climate marches throughout the years as well. But I recently developed a “why bother” mindset. It feels futile when I see the damage we are doing, year after year. My question is, how can we build on these marches and global buzz to create meaningful change?
It's fantastic to see the hope that the Youth Strikes are inspiring across the world. If anything, young people's actions are dismantling the debilitating notion that one individual can't make a big enough change. We're seeing individuals around the world, standing up in solidarity with one another to fight for a better world. What we need now is for people of all ages to rise up, put pressure on politicians, powerful actors and the big corporations. We need to disrupt the status quo to create a better world for people, and planet. Jake - UKSCN
andyeverywhere says:
If you want to save the world, you have to change the Western model of society fundamentally before we allow the developing world the comforts of modern life. If we don’t, and we can agree the developing world must not adopt the present Western style of living, where educated, modern countries with low birth rates still manage to use up the bulk of resources, why isn’t multiple cohabitation the most important tool to fix this planet?
why isn't multiple cohabitation the most important tool to fix this planet?
I'm glad you raised this: not many people dare to. While I don't believe it's the most important tool, I do believe it's an important one.
Until very recently in human history, cohabitation was the norm. We have, to an extent, lost the art of living together, and I've seen plenty of shared housing arrangements break down over the washing up and similarly trivial issues. But I've also seen some wonderful examples of cohabitation working, and people creating strong and loving bonds with the other members of the wide household. Not only do they greatly reduce their consumption by sharing equipment, heating, cooking etc, but it can also be an excellent way of counteracting one of the great blights of our age: loneliness.
EnricUitHilversum asks:
Children and youth are striking to demand action. But many are themselves involved in one of the most damaging practices towards earth’s climate, I mean consuming massive amounts of meat and diary in their diets. What is their thought on this regard?
I think that there's a common and developing understanding among the younger generation that we all need to reduce our consumption of animal-based food products. Creating the world we need to see requires action from all of us, but ultimately the system we live in is at fault. Personal lifestyle choices are good and encouraged, but to avert catastrophic climate breakdown it alone won't be enough.
Janet, 60, in Berkshire, asks:
I totally support the young climate strikers and hope the campaign grows in strength around the world to be deafening to governments and corporations alike. I fear though that it could be drowned out, any impact diminished, by others (older activists) that take the headlines with actions that capture headlines, such as pouring fake blood at Downing Street. Do you see movements such as Extinction Rebellion and their stated “civil disobedience” as a help or hindrance to the youth movement?
I see the Extinction Rebellion actions as another essential and highly effective form of protest. I don’t accept the idea that only one group should represent the issue to the public mind at any time, or that the dramatic but entirely non-violent protests by XR detract from what the youth climate strikers are doing.
On the contrary, I think these actions are mutually reinforcing, strengthening the sense that we are facing an emergency, and politics as usual is unacceptable. In the face of extraordinary indifference – and often denial – by politicians and the media, we need to take every opportunity to put these issues where they belong: at the front of people’s minds.
thesnufkin asks:
Are students naive to be asking politicians to be the agents of change? Was Greta Thunberg more on the ball when she went to Davos to speak to the one percent?
We need both the corporate actors and politicians to be held to account to make the change we need to see in the world. Would the 1% change unless there was profit to be obtained? It seems unlikely, which means we need to change the very system itself which is the cause of the climate crisis we find ourselves in. Jake - UKSCN
severnsider61 asks:
Isn’t the fight for social justice and greater economic equality a necessary part of environmental activism? Populist movements are reflecting valid grievances, and unless those grievances, particularly around economic inequality, are addressed, it will be much harder to obtain consensus for urgent action against climate change and environmental pollution.
Isn't the fight for social justice and greater economic equality a necessary part of environmental activism?
It is. Not least because, as Prof Kevin Mackay contends, oligarchy has been a more fundamental cause of the collapse of civilisations than social complexity or energy demand. Oligarchic control thwarts rational decision-making, as the short-term interests of the elite are radically different to the long-term interests of society.
At present, oligarchic control is strongly reasserting itself, to a large extent through the purchase of politics by exceedingly rich people and corporations (think of ExxonMobil, BP, the Koch brothers, the media barons). Their interests are radically different to the broader public interest. We cannot prevent climate and ecological breakdown until we put them back in their boxes and ensure that democracy triumphs over plutocracy.
Jenny, 57, from Devon, asks:
I’m so proud of young strikers and am with them all the way. I try to live a low impact life and I write to my MP, but I want to do more. What do you think people of my generation can do to help you?
Hi Jenny, Jake here from UKSCN. Thank you for your kind words, and great to hear you try and live as low impact as possible. It’s really important for the older generations to support young people by amplifying their voices, giving them platforms to speak, and helping to make sure their voice is heard.
As well as taking part in the comments George and our young activists have been sent some questions in advance from readers of a callout launched earlier in the week.
Here’s the first of those from Franklin, in Aberdeen:
Hi George. I’ve been hearing for a while about the Friday strikes – and Greta Thunberg, from Sweden – but wondered when was the first time you heard of the school strikes, and what you thought of them when you did? Thank you!
The moment I heard about Greta’s strike, I felt inspired. But I had no idea it would snowball as it did. I spoke at the youth strike in my home city a month ago at their request, and stayed for the other talks and to watch the march. I don’t remember ever being so moved by a public event.
The young people were amazing: articulate, clear-headed, passionate, determined. They came out in huge numbers, with beautifully-made banners and posters. Their testimony shook me profoundly. For 30 years I’ve been talking and writing about how my generation and those preceding it have been compromising the life chances of those yet to come. And here they were, the people I was thinking about before they were born, explaining just what they face as a result of our failures. I have to admit I cried. And so did most of the adults who witnessed it.
George Monbiot is in the building and ready to answer your questions, along with Jake and colleagues from the UK Student Climate Network – keep them coming in the comments below!
As part of our coverage of the global youth strikes around the world we are inviting readers to submit questions about the movement, and climate change issues more generally, for a live discussion taking place here on Friday.
Young climate activists around the world: why I’m striking today | Brianna Fruean and others
Young campaigners as well as Guardian columnist and environmental campaigner George Monbiot will be online from around 10.30am (GMT). The young activists will be posting their answers using their Student Climate Network account.
George has written about how the campaign requires the support of all generations to succeed, but how does that work in practice? What does success mean and how can it be achieved? How can older generations best support younger members of society in their action? What moved people to take action, and what exactly does that look like?
If you have questions for the campaigners or for George Monbiot about this growing movement or about how to become involved more generally in climate activism share them in the comments below – we’ll feature some of the best, along with the answers, above the line here.