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Live Updates: Robert Mueller Testifies Before Congress in Highly Anticipated Hearings Live Updates: Robert Mueller Testifies Before Congress in Highly Anticipated Hearings
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House Judiciary Committee Chairman Jerrold Nadler, Democrat of New York, kicked off the hearing with a stark statement charging the president with having violated the law.House Judiciary Committee Chairman Jerrold Nadler, Democrat of New York, kicked off the hearing with a stark statement charging the president with having violated the law.
“Any other person who acted in this way would have been charged with crimes,” Mr. Nadler said in his opening statement. “And in this nation, not even the president is above the law.”“Any other person who acted in this way would have been charged with crimes,” Mr. Nadler said in his opening statement. “And in this nation, not even the president is above the law.”
Mr. Nadler praised Mr. Mueller for the way he conducted the investigation and said his committee — which is under immense scrutiny for how it handles the hearing — would seek to emulate his approach.Mr. Nadler praised Mr. Mueller for the way he conducted the investigation and said his committee — which is under immense scrutiny for how it handles the hearing — would seek to emulate his approach.
“We will follow your example, Director Mueller,” Mr. Nadler said in a statement that never mentioned the word “impeachment.” “We will act with integrity. We will follow the facts where they lead. We will consider all appropriate remedies. We will make our recommendation to the House when our work concludes.“We will follow your example, Director Mueller,” Mr. Nadler said in a statement that never mentioned the word “impeachment.” “We will act with integrity. We will follow the facts where they lead. We will consider all appropriate remedies. We will make our recommendation to the House when our work concludes.
“We will do this work because there must be accountability for the conduct described in your report, especially as it relates to the president,” he said.“We will do this work because there must be accountability for the conduct described in your report, especially as it relates to the president,” he said.
Republicans moved to defend President Trump and downplay the evidence that Mr. Mueller uncovered, trying to let the air out of any revelations that might surface during the hearing.Republicans moved to defend President Trump and downplay the evidence that Mr. Mueller uncovered, trying to let the air out of any revelations that might surface during the hearing.
“The burden of proof for accusations that remain unproven is extremely high,” said Representative Doug Collins of Georgia, the senior Republican on the panel.“The burden of proof for accusations that remain unproven is extremely high,” said Representative Doug Collins of Georgia, the senior Republican on the panel.
“The report concluded nobody in the president’s campaign colluded or conspired with the Russians,” he said.“The report concluded nobody in the president’s campaign colluded or conspired with the Russians,” he said.
“The president’s attitude toward the investigation was understandably negative,” Mr. Collins added. “But he did not shut down the investigation. The president knew he was innocent. Those are the facts.”“The president’s attitude toward the investigation was understandably negative,” Mr. Collins added. “But he did not shut down the investigation. The president knew he was innocent. Those are the facts.”
Though he has insisted he would not be watching, Mr. Trump signaled an abiding interest in the events about to unfold. He renewed his criticisms of the investigation and objections (NO COLLUSION, NO OBSTRUCTION!) about investigators in Twitter posts early Wednesday morning. The president issued similar attacks over the past year.Though he has insisted he would not be watching, Mr. Trump signaled an abiding interest in the events about to unfold. He renewed his criticisms of the investigation and objections (NO COLLUSION, NO OBSTRUCTION!) about investigators in Twitter posts early Wednesday morning. The president issued similar attacks over the past year.
Earlier this week, the president cheered the Republican effort to discredit the inquiry and posed some questions, several of which have already been answered by the Justice Department’s inspector general.Earlier this week, the president cheered the Republican effort to discredit the inquiry and posed some questions, several of which have already been answered by the Justice Department’s inspector general.
Mr. Mueller is expected to summarize the key findings of his investigation in his opening statement. Mr. Mueller is summarizing the key findings of his investigation.
First, his team found that Russia carried out a sophisticated campaign during the 2016 election to sow chaos in the American political system and aid the Trump campaign using two main elements: hacking Democratic emails and planting disinformation on social media. Though the Mueller team found that the Trump campaign embraced the help and had repeated contacts with Russians, investigators ultimately determined that they lacked sufficient evidence to charge any Trump associate with conspiring with Russia.First, his team found that Russia carried out a sophisticated campaign during the 2016 election to sow chaos in the American political system and aid the Trump campaign using two main elements: hacking Democratic emails and planting disinformation on social media. Though the Mueller team found that the Trump campaign embraced the help and had repeated contacts with Russians, investigators ultimately determined that they lacked sufficient evidence to charge any Trump associate with conspiring with Russia.
[Read Mr. Mueller’s report.][Read Mr. Mueller’s report.]
Second, investigators documented Mr. Trump’s efforts to hinder their work — behavior that may have constituted obstruction of justice. They found that Mr. Trump ordered aides to fire Mr. Mueller and to get Attorney General Jeff Sessions to reassert control over the inquiry and dramatically limit its scope, as well as that Mr. Trump may have tried to discourage former aides from being truthful with investigators.Second, investigators documented Mr. Trump’s efforts to hinder their work — behavior that may have constituted obstruction of justice. They found that Mr. Trump ordered aides to fire Mr. Mueller and to get Attorney General Jeff Sessions to reassert control over the inquiry and dramatically limit its scope, as well as that Mr. Trump may have tried to discourage former aides from being truthful with investigators.
Mr. Mueller decided that Justice Department policy, which prohibits charging a sitting president, meant that he could not determine whether Mr. Trump had committed a crime. But his team also declined to clear the president, writing that “if we had confidence after a thorough investigation of the facts that the president clearly did not commit obstruction of justice, we would so state.”Mr. Mueller decided that Justice Department policy, which prohibits charging a sitting president, meant that he could not determine whether Mr. Trump had committed a crime. But his team also declined to clear the president, writing that “if we had confidence after a thorough investigation of the facts that the president clearly did not commit obstruction of justice, we would so state.”
[Who is Aaron Zebley, the aide sitting beside Mr. Mueller?]
Democrats believe Mr. Mueller’s report has all they need to bring a case against the president — if only they can get Americans to pay attention. Think of their strategy on Wednesday less as fact-finding than moviemaking, meant to bring the special counsel’s dense report to life on national television.Democrats believe Mr. Mueller’s report has all they need to bring a case against the president — if only they can get Americans to pay attention. Think of their strategy on Wednesday less as fact-finding than moviemaking, meant to bring the special counsel’s dense report to life on national television.
Aides for the Judiciary Committee say that they will zero in on five of the most glaring episodes of possible obstruction in the report, hammering home that Mr. Trump’s behavior was unacceptable and may have resulted in charges if he were not president. The Democrats on the Intelligence Committee similarly want Mr. Mueller to discuss the evidence of contacts between the Trump campaign and Russia, disregarding the lack of charges to dwell on what they believe was untoward and unpatriotic behavior.Aides for the Judiciary Committee say that they will zero in on five of the most glaring episodes of possible obstruction in the report, hammering home that Mr. Trump’s behavior was unacceptable and may have resulted in charges if he were not president. The Democrats on the Intelligence Committee similarly want Mr. Mueller to discuss the evidence of contacts between the Trump campaign and Russia, disregarding the lack of charges to dwell on what they believe was untoward and unpatriotic behavior.
Democrats want to know whether Mr. Mueller thinks impeachment is warranted or if he could have charged Mr. Trump were he not president. But those questions may go unasked in light of Mr. Mueller’s self-imposed restrictions.Democrats want to know whether Mr. Mueller thinks impeachment is warranted or if he could have charged Mr. Trump were he not president. But those questions may go unasked in light of Mr. Mueller’s self-imposed restrictions.
[19 questions we have for Mr. Mueller ahead of his testimony.][19 questions we have for Mr. Mueller ahead of his testimony.]
“It’s important to really bring out the key facts around the systemic nature of the Russian involvement in our democracy, how that was intended to help Donald Trump win, how the Trump campaign knew about it, and they welcomed it and how they made full use of it, and then lied about it to cover it up,” said Representative Adam B. Schiff, Democrat of California and the chairman of the Intelligence Committee. “Those facts are pretty damning.”“It’s important to really bring out the key facts around the systemic nature of the Russian involvement in our democracy, how that was intended to help Donald Trump win, how the Trump campaign knew about it, and they welcomed it and how they made full use of it, and then lied about it to cover it up,” said Representative Adam B. Schiff, Democrat of California and the chairman of the Intelligence Committee. “Those facts are pretty damning.”
No topic will hang over Wednesday’s hearings quite like impeachment. Mr. Mueller’s testimony may be a make-or-break moment for the wish of some liberals to try to oust Mr. Trump from office. Mr. Mueller’s testimony may be a make-or-break moment for the wish of some liberals to try to oust Mr. Trump from office.
About 90 House Democrats already support opening an impeachment inquiry based on Mr. Mueller’s findings, as well as the president’s role in a hush money payment scheme during the 2016 campaign and other matters. Compelling testimony by Mr. Mueller could renew momentum behind the effort.About 90 House Democrats already support opening an impeachment inquiry based on Mr. Mueller’s findings, as well as the president’s role in a hush money payment scheme during the 2016 campaign and other matters. Compelling testimony by Mr. Mueller could renew momentum behind the effort.
“The report presents very substantial evidence that the president is guilty of high crimes and misdemeanors,” Representative Jerrold Nadler of New York, the Judiciary Committee chairman, said on Fox News Sunday. “We have to present — or let Mueller present those facts to the American people and then see where we go from there, because the administration must be held accountable, and no president can be above the law.” “The report presents very substantial evidence that the president is guilty of high crimes and misdemeanors,” Mr. Nadler said on Fox News Sunday. “We have to present — or let Mueller present those facts to the American people and then see where we go from there, because the administration must be held accountable, and no president can be above the law.”
But the more important measure of whether impeachment moves forward may show up in polling and at town halls around the country when lawmakers return home next week for their August recess. Speaker Nancy Pelosi of California, who is opposed to impeachment proceedings, has made it clear that public sentiment is key to any such effort. Unless she begins to feel pressure from more than just activists and liberals who occupy safe congressional seats, there is little chance she will bless an impeachment inquiry.But the more important measure of whether impeachment moves forward may show up in polling and at town halls around the country when lawmakers return home next week for their August recess. Speaker Nancy Pelosi of California, who is opposed to impeachment proceedings, has made it clear that public sentiment is key to any such effort. Unless she begins to feel pressure from more than just activists and liberals who occupy safe congressional seats, there is little chance she will bless an impeachment inquiry.
If you’ve tuned in to Fox News in the past two years, you’ll know there is little doubt about how dimly most of the Republicans questioning Mr. Mueller view his investigation. But lawmakers allied with the president know they are playing to a new, bigger audience and are plotting a slightly altered course. The following prepared remarks were released by Mr. Mueller’s office.
Foremost, Republicans want to remind viewers that Mr. Mueller did not recommend conspiracy charges against Mr. Trump or any of his associates (although the investigation resulted in several other indictments), or an obstruction charge against the president. Good morning Chairman Nadler, Ranking Member Collins, and members of the Committee.
They also want to try to poke holes in the credibility of Mr. Mueller’s investigation with accusations of anti-Trump bias. Expect questions about inflammatory anti-Trump texts exchanged by two former F.B.I. officials, Peter Strzok and Lisa Page, who helped start the bureau’s investigation of the Trump campaign and later joined Mr. Mueller’s team before the messages were discovered. They will also ask about the F.B.I.’s use of a salacious but unverified dossier of Trump-Russia connections to obtain a surveillance warrant on a former Trump campaign aide in 2016. As you know, in May 2017, the Acting Attorney General asked me to serve as Special Counsel. I undertook that role because I believed that it was of paramount interest to the nation to determine whether a foreign adversary had interfered in the presidential election.
Mr. Trump renewed his criticism of the investigation in Twitter posts early Wednesday morning. As the Acting Attorney General said at the time, the appointment was “necessary in order for the American people to have full confidence in the outcome.”
Earlier this week, the president cheered the Republican effort to discredit the inquiry and posed some questions, several of which have already been answered by the Justice Department’s inspector general. My staff and I carried out this assignment with that critical objective in mind: to work quietly, thoroughly, and with integrity so that the public would have full confidence in the outcome.
In an eleventh-hour twist, Mr. Mueller will no longer be appearing alone for his testimony. Mr. Zebley is expected to sit beside Mr. Mueller at both hearings to offer assistance, and be sworn in himself as a witness during the Intelligence Committee’s session. The order appointing me as Special Counsel directed our Office to investigate Russian interference in the 2016 presidential election. This included investigating any links or coordination between the Russian government and individuals associated with the Trump campaign. It also included investigating efforts to interfere with, or obstruct, the investigation.
Mr. Mueller requested the unusual arrangement. His reasoning was not immediately clear, though Mr. Mueller is being asked to account for two years’ worth of details about a sprawling investigation. Mr. Zebley could help with that, but his presence may also upend carefully laid plans by lawmakers who were counting on facing only Mr. Mueller. Throughout the investigation, I continually stressed two things to the team that we had assembled.
Mr. Zebley has worked closely with Mr. Mueller for years, at the F.B.I., in private practice and in the special counsel’s office. First, we needed to do our work as thoroughly as possible and as expeditiously as possible. It was in the public interest for our investigation to be complete, but not to last a day longer than necessary.
Mr. Trump complained about the arrangement. Second, the investigation needed to be conducted fairly and with absolute integrity. Our team would not leak or take other actions that could compromise the integrity of our work. All decisions were made based on the facts and the law.
Mr. Mueller spent most of his career in law enforcement, working as a federal prosecutor and for a dozen years as F.B.I. director. The worldview he developed in those roles will be on full display. During the course of our investigation, we charged more than 30 defendants with committing federal crimes, including 12 officers of the Russian military. Seven defendants have been convicted or pleaded guilty.
Mr. Mueller firmly believes his role as special counsel was to remain above the political fray. A prosecutor’s written work, in court and here in his report, should be his word, in Mr. Mueller’s view. But he also became skilled over years of congressional hearings at dodging or defanging questions. Certain of the charges we brought remain pending today. For those matters, I stress that the indictments contain allegations, and every defendant is presumed innocent unless and until proven guilty.
A spokesman for Mr. Mueller said on Monday that his opening remarks would hew closely to the lone public statement he made as special counsel, in May. Mr. Mueller made clear that he did not intend to deviate from his written report were he to come to Congress. “We chose those words carefully, and the work speaks for itself,” he said at the time. In addition to the criminal charges we brought, as required by Justice Department regulations, we submitted a confidential report to the Attorney General at the conclusion of the investigation. The report set forth the results of our work and the reasons for our charging and declination decisions. The Attorney General later made the report largely public.
Democrats and Republicans acknowledged that Mr. Mueller is unlikely to want to assist them, but they plan to press him nonetheless. As you know, I made a few limited remarks about our report when we closed the Special Counsel’s Office in May of this year. There are certain points that bear emphasis.
“I don’t think it’s a walk in the park,” said Representative Pramila Jayapal, Democrat of Washington and a member of the Judiciary Committee. First, our investigation found that the Russian government interfered in our election in sweeping and systematic fashion.
Katie Benner and Eileen Sullivan contributed reporting. Second, the investigation did not establish that members of the Trump campaign conspired with the Russian government in its election interference activities. We did not address “collusion,” which is not a legal term. Rather, we focused on whether the evidence was sufficient to charge any member of the campaign with taking part in a criminal conspiracy. It was not.
Third, our investigation of efforts to obstruct the investigation and lie to investigators was of critical importance. Obstruction of justice strikes at the core of the government’s effort to find the truth and to hold wrongdoers accountable.
Finally, as described in Volume 2 of our report, we investigated a series of actions by the President toward the investigation. Based on Justice Department policy and principles of fairness, we decided we would not make a determination as to whether the President committed a crime. That was our decision then and it remains our decision today.
Let me say a further word about my appearance today.
It is unusual for a prosecutor to testify about a criminal investigation, and given my role as a prosecutor, there are reasons why my testimony will necessarily be limited.
First, public testimony could affect several ongoing matters. In some of these matters, court rules or judicial orders limit the disclosure of information to protect the fairness of the proceedings. And consistent with longstanding Justice Department policy, it would be inappropriate for me to comment in any way that could affect an ongoing matter.
Second, the Justice Department has asserted privileges concerning investigative information and decisions, ongoing matters within the Justice Department, and deliberations within our office. These are Justice Department privileges that I will respect. The Department has released the letter discussing the restrictions on my testimony.
I therefore will not be able to answer questions about certain areas that I know are of public interest. For example, I am unable to address questions about the opening of the FBI’s Russia investigation, which occurred months before my appointment, or matters related to the so-called “Steele Dossier.” These matters are the subject of ongoing review by the Department. Any questions on these topics should therefore be directed to the F.B.I. or the Justice Department.
As I explained when we closed the Special Counsel’s Office in May, our report contains our findings and analysis and the reasons for the decisions we made. We conducted an extensive investigation over two years. In writing the report, we stated the results of our investigation with precision. We scrutinized every word.
I do not intend to summarize or describe the results of our work in a different way in the course of my testimony today. As I said on May 29: the report is my testimony. And I will stay within that text.
And as I stated in May, I also will not comment on the actions of the Attorney General or of Congress. I was appointed as a prosecutor, and I intend to adhere to that role and to the Department’s standards that govern it.
I will be joined today by the Deputy Special Counsel, Aaron Zebley. Mr. Zebley has extensive experience as a federal prosecutor and at the F.B.I., where he served as chief of staff. Mr. Zebley was responsible for the day-to-day oversight of the investigations conducted by our Office.
I also want to again say thank you to the attorneys, the F.B.I. agents, the analysts, and the professional staff who helped us conduct this investigation in a fair and independent manner. These individuals, who spent nearly two years working on this matter, were of the highest integrity.
And let me say one more thing. Over the course of my career, I’ve seen a number of challenges to our democracy. The Russian government’s effort to interfere in our election is among the most serious. As I said on May 29, this deserves the attention of every American.
Katie Benner and Eileen Sullivan contributed reporting