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Brexit: Labour delegates debate rival motions for and against Corbyn's strategy – live news | Brexit: Labour delegates debate rival motions for and against Corbyn's strategy – live news |
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Asra Anjum from Poplar and Limehouse CLP says she is speaking in favour of composite 13. She is speaking as a BAME candidate. She says her CLP is majority BAME, and it voted remain. | |
Samuel East from Liverpool Walton CLP said Boris Johnson would be praying for Labour to end the day as a remain party. Members should say no to composite 13, he said. | |
Here are three journalists on how the debate is going. | |
From the BBC’s Chris Mason | |
The mood of the conference floor seems more supportive of the Corbyn position — but make no mistake, this is a pro EU room. Just one speaker saying she voted Leave #Lab19 pic.twitter.com/woSFogBsvt | |
From the FT’s Sebastian Payne (who I think means over-estimate) | |
The overwhelming mood in the #lab19 conference hall is supporr Jeremy Corbyn - you can’t underestimate how much delegates back him. Composite motion 13 (pro-Remain) is being painted as a confidence vote in his leadership. Speaker after speaker now backing the leader. | |
From Sky’s Lewis Goodall | |
Open hostility spilling over onto the conference floor. Delegate saying many remainers are neoliberals and that’s where this new Remain comes from, saying many are the same people who “stabbed Jeremy in the back years ago.” #Lab19 | |
One member told me: “the media have made this about Jeremy so we need to support him.” | |
Prevailing wind now is that leadership will prevail and pro-remain motion will go down.One pro-Remain source gets in touch: pic.twitter.com/cKhUk0bScO | |
Urte Macikene, from Dulwich and West Norwood, says the vast majority of Labour members back remain. Without their support, the party will not win the election, she says. She urges delegates to back composite 13 and to make it a socialist, internationalist anti-Brexit party. | |
From Prospect’s Tom Clark | |
Feels in Labour hall like momentum more with the leadership loyalists on Brexit. (Could be wrong of course, but listening to the claps ...) | |
The Mirror’s Pippa Crerar has the text of the Momentum briefing to members on how they should vote on Brexit. | |
Well this is curious. Momentum sends out email at 10am saying delegates should oppose Remain motion.Just 13 minutes later Momentum chief Jon Lansman tweets that members should be able to “vote with their conscience”. Which is it? pic.twitter.com/F1Oupgkykg | |
While we are talking about Tom Watson, this is from HuffPost’s Paul Waugh. | |
Hearing that there will be big, orchestrated walk-out during @tom_watson speech at Lab conf tmrw. | |
From my colleague Heather Stewart | |
Labour remain activists caught by surprise at the number of speakers in conference hall this afternoon urging colleagues to back Jeremy Corbyn. They fear despite the support of Unison and Usdaw, they may be on course to lose tonight. | |
Tom Watson, the Labour deputy leader, has been speaking at a fringe event organised by the Labour Campaign for Gambling Reform. He said he was speaking about an issue “very dear to my heart”, but he couldn’t resist a pop at Jon Lansman, who led the attempt to abolish his post on Friday last week. | |
“The first thing I will say is that if you had taken a bet on whether I’d be deputy leader speaking at this event on Friday night, you’d have made a lot of money, and I really hope some of you did,” he said. “And the person you’ve got to thank if you did is Jon Lansman.” | |
He added: “Just to let you know, I’m going to get Jon Lansman gags in at every fringe meeting I do all week.” | |
He went on to speak about the gambling reforms that Labour wants to introduce in government, like the creation of a new gambling ombudsman and the introduction of a new gambling act that takes into account the huge changes the industry has seen over the past few years. | |
Jill Murdoch said the TSSA union told the conference earlier that her union “unequivocally supports” composite 13. | |
But Unite’s Howard Beckett spoke in support of the NEC statement and composite 14, and in opposition to composite 13. He said: | |
Composite 13 seeks to define us now as a party of remain and say that any negotiated deal, no matter what is in it, should be rejected in favour of remain. | |
As anyone who watched Emily Thornberry on Question Time will know, it’d be a car crash to send Jeremy Corbyn into a general election saying that he can negotiate a credible deal when our position is one to reject that deal. | |
He was referring to this clip. | |
I know we are saturated with political content and have an almost total Brexit-related exhaustion but I don’t think I have seen *anything* as staggeringly shameless - or stupid, but I don’t think she’s stupid - as this. pic.twitter.com/LaPY6F4QpV | |
Hannah Patterson, from Leeds North West CLP, says the party needs a clear stance. It is not good enough to wait until after the election before deciding to back remain, she says. She says Scottish Labour, Welsh Labour and Labour in Northern Ireland all want the party to commit for remain. Vote for composite 13, she says. | Hannah Patterson, from Leeds North West CLP, says the party needs a clear stance. It is not good enough to wait until after the election before deciding to back remain, she says. She says Scottish Labour, Welsh Labour and Labour in Northern Ireland all want the party to commit for remain. Vote for composite 13, she says. |
You can’t always judge how a vote will go by how many people are speaking on each side, but the leadership camp are doing a better job at getting people to speak up for their side than the remain camp. | You can’t always judge how a vote will go by how many people are speaking on each side, but the leadership camp are doing a better job at getting people to speak up for their side than the remain camp. |
ITV’s Robert Peston thinks Jeremy Corbyn is on course to win. | ITV’s Robert Peston thinks Jeremy Corbyn is on course to win. |
If the mood in the conference hall is anything to go by, @jeremycorbyn will win these three votes and the Remain motion will be rejected. It is all about the party showing loyalty to Corbyn | If the mood in the conference hall is anything to go by, @jeremycorbyn will win these three votes and the Remain motion will be rejected. It is all about the party showing loyalty to Corbyn |
Noah Tucker from Tottenham CLP says his local party wants people to back Jeremy Corbyn. He has been right on tactics, he says. He says composite 13 would put Labour in a “nightmare” position. It would not be able to get anything other than a very, very bad deal, if the EU knows that Labour will campaign against it. Yet the public could vote for it in the referendum. | Noah Tucker from Tottenham CLP says his local party wants people to back Jeremy Corbyn. He has been right on tactics, he says. He says composite 13 would put Labour in a “nightmare” position. It would not be able to get anything other than a very, very bad deal, if the EU knows that Labour will campaign against it. Yet the public could vote for it in the referendum. |
He says Labour should not let Nigel Farage and Boris Johnson speak for the 52%. Labour needs to be the people who speak for the 99%. | He says Labour should not let Nigel Farage and Boris Johnson speak for the 52%. Labour needs to be the people who speak for the 99%. |
Gary Ostrolenk from Camberwell and Peckham CLP says a Labour government will face an onslaught from its enemies. It will need the support of the entire working class. If it alienates the 50% of that class who voted leave, they will turn their backs on Labour. Labour will not succeed. He urges members to vote against composite 13. | Gary Ostrolenk from Camberwell and Peckham CLP says a Labour government will face an onslaught from its enemies. It will need the support of the entire working class. If it alienates the 50% of that class who voted leave, they will turn their backs on Labour. Labour will not succeed. He urges members to vote against composite 13. |
HuffPost’s Paul Waugh has been given a different steer on when we might get the results of votes from the one picked up by Steven Swinford. (See 4.19am.) | HuffPost’s Paul Waugh has been given a different steer on when we might get the results of votes from the one picked up by Steven Swinford. (See 4.19am.) |
Latest on timing of Brexit vote: if there's one card vote, result 7pm-ish, if two card votes - all results 8pmish, if three card votes [which may be likely] then all results 9pmish.Card votes only called where show of hands looks close. | Latest on timing of Brexit vote: if there's one card vote, result 7pm-ish, if two card votes - all results 8pmish, if three card votes [which may be likely] then all results 9pmish.Card votes only called where show of hands looks close. |
Michelle Ryan, from East Worthing and Shoreham CLP, says composite 13 would put the party in the position of having to campaign against a deal it negotiated. That position has been widely mocked, she says. | Michelle Ryan, from East Worthing and Shoreham CLP, says composite 13 would put the party in the position of having to campaign against a deal it negotiated. That position has been widely mocked, she says. |
She says Jeremy Corbyn has also made it clear that he would prefer to be neutral. | She says Jeremy Corbyn has also made it clear that he would prefer to be neutral. |