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MPs to vote on scrapping VAT cut MPs reject bid to reverse VAT cut
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MPs are to vote on a Lib Dem motion calling for the cut in VAT rates earlier this month to be scrapped. MPs have voted down attempts to scrap the temporary VAT cut which came into effect this month.
Lib Dem Treasury spokesman Vince Cable told MPs the temporary VAT cut from 17.5% to 15% was "seriously defective". The Lib Dems moved a motion to annul the reduction in VAT from 17.5% to 15% - Treasury spokesman Vince Cable questioned how effective it would be.
The Conservatives are to back the motion, having described the cut as "pointless", while Labour ex-minister Frank Field told MPs he would rebel. Treasury minister Stephen Timms said it was the "right stimulus" for families, businesses and the UK economy.
The motion was backed by the Tories and the Labour former minister Frank Field but was lost by 223 votes to 303.
The VAT cut aims to boost consumer spending over the next year but many have queried its likely effectiveness.The VAT cut aims to boost consumer spending over the next year but many have queried its likely effectiveness.
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Despite the prospect of some Labour MPs rebelling, the government is confident of winning the vote. The VAT cut came into force on 1 December. Had the government lost the vote ministers would have been under pressure to respond immediately and confirm whether it would be reversed.
But should it lose, ministers would be under pressure to respond immediately and confirm whether the cut, which came into effect on 1 December, would be reversed.
I believe cuts in VAT is likely spitting in the face of an economic hurricane Frank FieldLabour backbencher
Opening the debate, Mr Cable said he agreed with the concept of a fiscal stimulus but said the VAT cut "was a bad one".Opening the debate, Mr Cable said he agreed with the concept of a fiscal stimulus but said the VAT cut "was a bad one".
I believe cuts in VAT is likely spitting in the face of an economic hurricane Frank FieldLabour backbencher
In a reference to Chancellor Alistair Darling's explanation in the pre-Budget report about why the VAT was the best method, Mr Cable told MPs: "Our view is that this isn't the best, isn't the fairest, it won't help everyone and it certainly won't give back £12.5bn back to consumers."In a reference to Chancellor Alistair Darling's explanation in the pre-Budget report about why the VAT was the best method, Mr Cable told MPs: "Our view is that this isn't the best, isn't the fairest, it won't help everyone and it certainly won't give back £12.5bn back to consumers."
He questioned how much a 2.5% drop would be likely to influence the behaviour of a "rational consumer" and said the effect was "invisible" at a time when shops were already discounting goods "aggressively".He questioned how much a 2.5% drop would be likely to influence the behaviour of a "rational consumer" and said the effect was "invisible" at a time when shops were already discounting goods "aggressively".
Philip Hammond, for the Conservatives told MPs the VAT cut was "the prime minister all over, unaffordable and ineffective". Phillip Hammond, for the Conservatives told MPs the VAT cut was "the prime minister all over, unaffordable and ineffective".
'Reckless'
He said Mr Brown was committed to a "reckless exercise that will increase debt through yet more borrowing" to fund a temporary VAT cut which nobody but Mr Brown thought would be effective.He said Mr Brown was committed to a "reckless exercise that will increase debt through yet more borrowing" to fund a temporary VAT cut which nobody but Mr Brown thought would be effective.
Job threat Labour MP Mr Field, who led a backbench rebellion against the abolition of the 10 pence tax rate earlier this year, told MPs he would vote against the government.
Mr Field, who led a backbench rebellion against the abolition of the 10 pence tax rate earlier this year, has called on High Street banks bailed out by the government to be given the money to lend to businesses. This is the right stimulus for families, it's the right stimulus for businesses and it's the right stimulus for the UK economy Stephen Timms
"I believe cuts in VAT is likely spitting in the face of an economic hurricane I don't believe it will have any effect whatsoever," he told MPs. "I believe cuts in VAT is likely spitting in the face of an economic hurricane I don't believe it will have any effect whatsoever," he said.
He predicted, when MPs returned to Westminster after the Christmas break, many businesses would be on the brink of closure, threatening more jobs. He told MPs "nobody doubts" the government's intentions to protect people from the economic downturn but said many businesses faced closure, threatening more jobs.
"I believe unless we radically change the credit life lines to many firms, there will be a considerable number of our constituents who will not have firms to go to after Christmas.""I believe unless we radically change the credit life lines to many firms, there will be a considerable number of our constituents who will not have firms to go to after Christmas."
But for the government Mr Timms said the VAT cut was a fair way to deliver money to the economy because low income households spent a larger share of their income on VAT than richer households.
He added: "We are acting by putting money into the economy now, so we come out [of the downturn] sooner and stronger".
He said the Conservatives would "turn their backs on families and businesses".
"This is the right stimulus for families, it's the right stimulus for businesses and it's the right stimulus for the UK economy," he said.
The VAT reduction will remain in place until the end of next year.The VAT reduction will remain in place until the end of next year.
Ministers hope the measure will encourage people to spend money and help retailers under pressure as the economic downturn bites.Ministers hope the measure will encourage people to spend money and help retailers under pressure as the economic downturn bites.
However, they insist it is just one of a number of measures announced in recent months to help businesses and families through the downturn and to increase the chances of a quicker recovery.However, they insist it is just one of a number of measures announced in recent months to help businesses and families through the downturn and to increase the chances of a quicker recovery.
But opposition parties believe the cut is costly and will have little impact on consumer behaviour given the large discounts that most leading retailers are already offering to drum up trade. But opposition parties believe the cut is costly and will have little impact on consumer behaviour .
The Conservatives have said the government's economic recovery plan has failed and urged ministers to focus on maintaining bank lending and making sure companies can get hold of credit.The Conservatives have said the government's economic recovery plan has failed and urged ministers to focus on maintaining bank lending and making sure companies can get hold of credit.
The Lib Dems have called, instead, for substantial cuts in income tax targeted at people on low and middle incomes.The Lib Dems have called, instead, for substantial cuts in income tax targeted at people on low and middle incomes.
While the retail industry has welcomed efforts to boost demand, many small firms were angry about the administrative cost of having to change their prices in the run-up to Christmas.While the retail industry has welcomed efforts to boost demand, many small firms were angry about the administrative cost of having to change their prices in the run-up to Christmas.
The VAT row intensified last week following criticism of Gordon Brown's economic policies by two German politicians.The VAT row intensified last week following criticism of Gordon Brown's economic policies by two German politicians.