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| General election 2019: What is Labour's four-day working week plan? | General election 2019: What is Labour's four-day working week plan? |
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| Labour has said it could introduce a 32-hour full-time working week, with no loss of pay, within 10 years. But the Conservatives have attacked the plan, saying it would "cripple the NHS". | Labour has said it could introduce a 32-hour full-time working week, with no loss of pay, within 10 years. But the Conservatives have attacked the plan, saying it would "cripple the NHS". |
| So what exactly is Labour's policy and is the criticism justified? | So what exactly is Labour's policy and is the criticism justified? |
| What is Labour proposing? | What is Labour proposing? |
| Shadow chancellor John McDonnell initially set out the shorter working week policy at the Labour Party conference in September: | Shadow chancellor John McDonnell initially set out the shorter working week policy at the Labour Party conference in September: |
| "The next Labour government will put in place the changes needed to reduce average full-time hours to 32 a week within the next decade," he said. | "The next Labour government will put in place the changes needed to reduce average full-time hours to 32 a week within the next decade," he said. |
| In the accompanying press release, the party said trade unions would be at the heart of negotiating working pattern changes, eventually leading to a series of legally-binding agreements for different sectors of the economy. | In the accompanying press release, the party said trade unions would be at the heart of negotiating working pattern changes, eventually leading to a series of legally-binding agreements for different sectors of the economy. |
| Reductions in working time would be conditional on industries becoming more productive. As staff get more done in each hour they work, they would negotiate to work fewer hours. | |
| Labour's working hour policy announcement came after it commissioned a report by Lord Skidelsky. It found that capping hours nationwide, along the lines of France's 35-hour working week, was "not realistic or even desirable". Instead, the report said, any cap on hours would have to be adapted to the needs of different parts of the economy. | Labour's working hour policy announcement came after it commissioned a report by Lord Skidelsky. It found that capping hours nationwide, along the lines of France's 35-hour working week, was "not realistic or even desirable". Instead, the report said, any cap on hours would have to be adapted to the needs of different parts of the economy. |
| What have the Conservatives said? | What have the Conservatives said? |
| The Conservatives claim that the introduction of the four-day week will increase staff costs at the NHS by £6.1bn a year. | The Conservatives claim that the introduction of the four-day week will increase staff costs at the NHS by £6.1bn a year. |
| They claim that figures show the average NHS worker does 37.5 hours per week, and earns £32,257. | They claim that figures show the average NHS worker does 37.5 hours per week, and earns £32,257. |
| Reducing those hours to 32 would increase staff costs by 17.2%, they claim. Across a workforce of 1.1 million, that would come to a total of £6.1bn. This is because extra staff would have to be employed to cover the missing hours. | Reducing those hours to 32 would increase staff costs by 17.2%, they claim. Across a workforce of 1.1 million, that would come to a total of £6.1bn. This is because extra staff would have to be employed to cover the missing hours. |
| That would effectively wipe out the extra £6bn a year that Labour has pledged for the NHS by 2023-24, the Conservatives argue. | That would effectively wipe out the extra £6bn a year that Labour has pledged for the NHS by 2023-24, the Conservatives argue. |
| The 37.5 hours total is the standard working week for most NHS staff. But many of the highest-paid roles, such as doctors and top managers, work significantly more than 37.5 hours a week, so capping their hours at 32 per week could cost even more. | The 37.5 hours total is the standard working week for most NHS staff. But many of the highest-paid roles, such as doctors and top managers, work significantly more than 37.5 hours a week, so capping their hours at 32 per week could cost even more. |
| The calculation assumes that there is no increase in productivity associated with shorter working hours. | |
| They also assume that the 32-hour working week would be operational across the entire NHS workforce from the next financial year, which is not what the Labour Party is proposing. | They also assume that the 32-hour working week would be operational across the entire NHS workforce from the next financial year, which is not what the Labour Party is proposing. |
| How has Labour responded? | How has Labour responded? |
| Labour's shadow health secretary, Jonathan Ashworth, has dismissed the Conservatives' claim as "just nonsense". | Labour's shadow health secretary, Jonathan Ashworth, has dismissed the Conservatives' claim as "just nonsense". |
| He says if it wins the election, the party would not immediately bring in a four-day week for NHS workers, which is the assumption the Conservatives have made. | He says if it wins the election, the party would not immediately bring in a four-day week for NHS workers, which is the assumption the Conservatives have made. |
| However, the language Labour is using to explain the policy appears to have slightly shifted since September. Speaking on Wednesday, Mr McDonnell said that while the 32-hour working week would apply to everybody, it would only be implemented "over time as the economy grows". | However, the language Labour is using to explain the policy appears to have slightly shifted since September. Speaking on Wednesday, Mr McDonnell said that while the 32-hour working week would apply to everybody, it would only be implemented "over time as the economy grows". |
| He added: "It's not an overnight thing, but it's a realistic ambition." | He added: "It's not an overnight thing, but it's a realistic ambition." |
| Are Labour talking at cross purposes over this? | Are Labour talking at cross purposes over this? |
| The Conservatives claim that senior Labour figures have contradicted each other over whether the 32-hour week applies to the NHS or not. | The Conservatives claim that senior Labour figures have contradicted each other over whether the 32-hour week applies to the NHS or not. |
| Health Secretary Matt Hancock said in a statement that "Corbyn's health spokesman toured the TV studios this morning claiming that their plans for a four-day working week would not apply to the NHS. But now the shadow chancellor says it will after all". | Health Secretary Matt Hancock said in a statement that "Corbyn's health spokesman toured the TV studios this morning claiming that their plans for a four-day working week would not apply to the NHS. But now the shadow chancellor says it will after all". |
| So what did they actually say? | So what did they actually say? |
| On Wednesday's BBC Breakfast, Mr Ashworth said: "It's not happening - there's not a four-day week coming in the NHS." | On Wednesday's BBC Breakfast, Mr Ashworth said: "It's not happening - there's not a four-day week coming in the NHS." |
| But Mr McDonnell also said on Wednesday: "It's a 32-hour working week, implemented over a 10-year period. It will apply to everybody." | But Mr McDonnell also said on Wednesday: "It's a 32-hour working week, implemented over a 10-year period. It will apply to everybody." |
| Despite the apparent contradiction, the two statements are broadly consistent. Labour is not planning to impose a 32-hour week in the NHS in the months after the election, if it comes to power. | Despite the apparent contradiction, the two statements are broadly consistent. Labour is not planning to impose a 32-hour week in the NHS in the months after the election, if it comes to power. |
| It is a target for the average working time across the whole economy - including the NHS - to be achieved over 10 years. | It is a target for the average working time across the whole economy - including the NHS - to be achieved over 10 years. |
| If the NHS - like other sectors - does not improve productivity sufficiently, it would not achieve a 32-hour week. | |
| Do Labour's own documents say the 32-hour week will hit the NHS? | Do Labour's own documents say the 32-hour week will hit the NHS? |
| Mr Hancock also claimed: "Labour's own policy documents say that their plans will hit hospitals and impact staff numbers." | Mr Hancock also claimed: "Labour's own policy documents say that their plans will hit hospitals and impact staff numbers." |
| This claim is based on the Skidelsky report, which draws lessons from the implementation of the 35-hour week in France. | This claim is based on the Skidelsky report, which draws lessons from the implementation of the 35-hour week in France. |
| The report says: "The introduction of the 35-hour week in hospitals caused particular problems because it was done without proportional job creation, and productivity gains cannot easily be made in hospitals." | The report says: "The introduction of the 35-hour week in hospitals caused particular problems because it was done without proportional job creation, and productivity gains cannot easily be made in hospitals." |
| Labour is not proposing to introduce a 32-hour week in the same way, so the implications for its proposals are limited. | Labour is not proposing to introduce a 32-hour week in the same way, so the implications for its proposals are limited. |
| Are Labour's plans achievable? | |
| Labour's 32-hour week plan is based on the UK economy becoming more productive. | |
| For decades, the UK was successful at increasing productivity, as new technologies such as computers allowed workers to get more done. Many of those gains have been taken in the form of shorter working hours. | |
| However as this chart shows how productivity in the UK has increased little since 2008. | |
| There is no economic consensus about why this has happened, or how to address it - it's known as the productivity puzzle. | |
| Labour has plans for how to improve productivity, such as investing more money in education and training. Those plans will have to deliver a significant improvement on the recent trend to make Labour's 32-hour week possible. | |
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