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| Coronavirus: UK must find 'new normal' to ease lockdown - Raab | Coronavirus: UK must find 'new normal' to ease lockdown - Raab |
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| The UK's lockdown needs to be eased carefully, meaning social distancing will remain for "some time", Foreign Secretary Dominic Raab has said. | The UK's lockdown needs to be eased carefully, meaning social distancing will remain for "some time", Foreign Secretary Dominic Raab has said. |
| He described the more than 20,000 deaths in the UK as "heartbreaking", but said the toll could have been "much worse" without the strict measures. | He described the more than 20,000 deaths in the UK as "heartbreaking", but said the toll could have been "much worse" without the strict measures. |
| However, Mr Raab did hint at some ways schools, sport and businesses could begin to return to "a new normal". | However, Mr Raab did hint at some ways schools, sport and businesses could begin to return to "a new normal". |
| It comes as a further 413 people have died with coronavirus in UK hospitals. | It comes as a further 413 people have died with coronavirus in UK hospitals. |
| The latest daily death figure marks the lowest number that has been reported in April. | |
| However, experts have previously warned against over-interpreting daily statistics, as they often reflect reporting delays, particularly over weekends - so do not relate directly to the number of deaths that occurred on a certain day. | |
| The latest official figures bring the total number of deaths to 20,732. The government's data does not include people who die in care homes, in their own homes, or elsewhere in the community. | |
| Delivering the daily government briefing, Environment Secretary George Eustice said there had been "encouraging signs of progress" during the lockdown. | |
| But he added: "Before we consider it safe to adjust any of the social distancing measures we must be satisfied that we have met the five tests set out last week by the First Secretary [Dominic Raab]." | |
| The government has come under pressure from Labour to set out its "exit strategy" for lifting the lockdown. | The government has come under pressure from Labour to set out its "exit strategy" for lifting the lockdown. |
| Shadow cabinet office minister Rachel Reeves said ministers should treat people "like grown-ups" and give businesses, schools and other organisations time to plan for when they are allowed to reopen. | Shadow cabinet office minister Rachel Reeves said ministers should treat people "like grown-ups" and give businesses, schools and other organisations time to plan for when they are allowed to reopen. |
| But Mr Raab, who has been deputising for Boris Johnson while the PM recovers from coronavirus, said it would not be responsible to start announcing specific proposals until evidence was available to support them as this could risk "misleading" the public. | But Mr Raab, who has been deputising for Boris Johnson while the PM recovers from coronavirus, said it would not be responsible to start announcing specific proposals until evidence was available to support them as this could risk "misleading" the public. |
| Rather than a complete lifting of all measures, he told BBC One's Andrew Marr Show that the country would end up "moving to a new normal". | Rather than a complete lifting of all measures, he told BBC One's Andrew Marr Show that the country would end up "moving to a new normal". |
| Mr Raab said when schools reopened, social distancing measures would need to be in place for pupils and staff. | Mr Raab said when schools reopened, social distancing measures would need to be in place for pupils and staff. |
| "I think it's inconceivable that they would come back without further measures, as are already being applied in those schools that are open for key workers," he said. | "I think it's inconceivable that they would come back without further measures, as are already being applied in those schools that are open for key workers," he said. |
| But he would not be drawn on a suggestion that this would mean groups of pupils returning to lessons on different days or times to keep pupil numbers down. | But he would not be drawn on a suggestion that this would mean groups of pupils returning to lessons on different days or times to keep pupil numbers down. |
| Ministers still won't not be drawn on when or how easing of the lockdown measures will happen. | Ministers still won't not be drawn on when or how easing of the lockdown measures will happen. |
| In his last day leading the government before Prime Minister Boris Johnson takes back the reins, Dominic Raab does go as far as talking about the "new normal" we will need to find for the many months it will take scientists to continue their work on a vaccine and treatments. | In his last day leading the government before Prime Minister Boris Johnson takes back the reins, Dominic Raab does go as far as talking about the "new normal" we will need to find for the many months it will take scientists to continue their work on a vaccine and treatments. |
| That new normal will have to include more testing to spot new cases. It will also require some social distancing measures in shops, schools and workplaces, and indeed any other location where people mix. | That new normal will have to include more testing to spot new cases. It will also require some social distancing measures in shops, schools and workplaces, and indeed any other location where people mix. |
| That raises some big questions, not least around transport. How do you keep commuters safely apart? And what should be done about travellers arriving to the UK who may be carrying coronavirus? | That raises some big questions, not least around transport. How do you keep commuters safely apart? And what should be done about travellers arriving to the UK who may be carrying coronavirus? |
| If you lift restrictions too much or too quickly, infections could soar. That would risk another peak and more lockdown measures - things none of us want. | If you lift restrictions too much or too quickly, infections could soar. That would risk another peak and more lockdown measures - things none of us want. |
| Mr Raab suggested social distancing measures already being seen in food shops and other businesses that have remained operating could also be expanded to non-essential businesses if they were to reopen. | Mr Raab suggested social distancing measures already being seen in food shops and other businesses that have remained operating could also be expanded to non-essential businesses if they were to reopen. |
| Asked whether there was any chance of people being able to play sport outside this summer, Mr Raab said this would be "very difficult because of the level and scale of interaction". | Asked whether there was any chance of people being able to play sport outside this summer, Mr Raab said this would be "very difficult because of the level and scale of interaction". |
| But he added: "I think the professional sport may be different because of the scale of testing that they would be able to introduce." | But he added: "I think the professional sport may be different because of the scale of testing that they would be able to introduce." |
| On the possibility of testing people arriving at UK airports, Mr Raab said this measure might be introduced but he "can't say it with any certainty yet". | On the possibility of testing people arriving at UK airports, Mr Raab said this measure might be introduced but he "can't say it with any certainty yet". |
| "The advice that we got - and I checked it with the scientists, with the chief medical officer - at the outset when we took up our social distancing measures, is that it wouldn't make any difference from a public health point of view," he said. | "The advice that we got - and I checked it with the scientists, with the chief medical officer - at the outset when we took up our social distancing measures, is that it wouldn't make any difference from a public health point of view," he said. |
| At that time, the number of people travelling was "plummeting" and "the virus was already at pace" within the UK, he added. | At that time, the number of people travelling was "plummeting" and "the virus was already at pace" within the UK, he added. |
| But he said that might need to be reviewed when the number of people with the virus in the UK had dropped significantly. | But he said that might need to be reviewed when the number of people with the virus in the UK had dropped significantly. |
| "Whether it's a quarantine period, or testing, or other measures that might be taken, it's possible - and I ask this question every week… and we will keep asking that question." | "Whether it's a quarantine period, or testing, or other measures that might be taken, it's possible - and I ask this question every week… and we will keep asking that question." |
| On Saturday, NHS England's Medical Director, Prof Stephen Powis, said ending the lockdown too early would lead to the virus spreading more and it was important not to forfeit the "gains" made by social distancing. | On Saturday, NHS England's Medical Director, Prof Stephen Powis, said ending the lockdown too early would lead to the virus spreading more and it was important not to forfeit the "gains" made by social distancing. |
| However, Ms Reeves told Andrew Marr the government should publish its plans for exiting the lockdown and allow them to be scrutinised. | However, Ms Reeves told Andrew Marr the government should publish its plans for exiting the lockdown and allow them to be scrutinised. |
| "People have by and large stuck by the rules that have been put in place, and because they've done that I think it is even more important that we communicate with them, treat them like grown-ups, in where we're going next," she said. | "People have by and large stuck by the rules that have been put in place, and because they've done that I think it is even more important that we communicate with them, treat them like grown-ups, in where we're going next," she said. |
| Meanwhile, First Minister Nicola Sturgeon warned she could delay any lifting of the restrictions in Scotland if she thought the government at Westminster was moving too quickly. | Meanwhile, First Minister Nicola Sturgeon warned she could delay any lifting of the restrictions in Scotland if she thought the government at Westminster was moving too quickly. |
| "If... the UK government took decisions that I thought were premature in terms of coming out of the lockdown then clearly I would want to make sure that Scotland did what I judged was best to protect the population," she told the programme. | "If... the UK government took decisions that I thought were premature in terms of coming out of the lockdown then clearly I would want to make sure that Scotland did what I judged was best to protect the population," she told the programme. |
| But Ms Sturgeon added she would not take a different path "for the sake of it". | But Ms Sturgeon added she would not take a different path "for the sake of it". |
| How are other countries easing their lockdowns? | How are other countries easing their lockdowns? |
| In other developments: | In other developments: |