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| Jason Leitch denies giving Humza Yousaf Covid rule 'workaround' | Jason Leitch denies giving Humza Yousaf Covid rule 'workaround' |
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| Prof Leitch gave then Health Secretary Humza Yousaf mask rule advice for a social event in late 2021 | Prof Leitch gave then Health Secretary Humza Yousaf mask rule advice for a social event in late 2021 |
| Prof Leitch gave then Health Secretary Humza Yousaf mask rule advice for a social event in late 2021 | Prof Leitch gave then Health Secretary Humza Yousaf mask rule advice for a social event in late 2021 |
| Scotland's national clinical director advised Humza Yousaf to keep a drink in his hands at all times to remain "exempt" from mask rules at a dinner, the UK Covid Inquiry has heard. | Scotland's national clinical director advised Humza Yousaf to keep a drink in his hands at all times to remain "exempt" from mask rules at a dinner, the UK Covid Inquiry has heard. |
| The UK Covid Inquiry was shown a WhatsApp exchange between Prof Jason Leitch and the then health secretary. | The UK Covid Inquiry was shown a WhatsApp exchange between Prof Jason Leitch and the then health secretary. |
| Prof Leitch told the now first minister "literally no-one" followed official guidance about wearing a mask when not seated at dinner. | Prof Leitch told the now first minister "literally no-one" followed official guidance about wearing a mask when not seated at dinner. |
| He denied giving him a "workaround". | He denied giving him a "workaround". |
| The national clinical adviser said it was "tricky" to comply with guidance at such occasions, and admitted breaking the same rule. | The national clinical adviser said it was "tricky" to comply with guidance at such occasions, and admitted breaking the same rule. |
| He told the inquiry he had believed it was "legitimate" to stand without a mask after being approached for a photograph at a dinner. | He told the inquiry he had believed it was "legitimate" to stand without a mask after being approached for a photograph at a dinner. |
| The first minister's spokesperson said Mr Yousaf had sought "clarity on what the rules meant". He denied Mr Yousaf was not on top of the rules as a government minister during the pandemic. | The first minister's spokesperson said Mr Yousaf had sought "clarity on what the rules meant". He denied Mr Yousaf was not on top of the rules as a government minister during the pandemic. |
| Pre-bed ritual comment was 'flippant exaggeration' | Pre-bed ritual comment was 'flippant exaggeration' |
| Chief medic told staff to delete WhatsApps every day | Chief medic told staff to delete WhatsApps every day |
| Leitch deleted Covid WhatsApp messages - report | Leitch deleted Covid WhatsApp messages - report |
| Prof Leitch confirmed he used an auto-delete function on a Covid WhatsApp chat during the pandemic but insisted he followed Scottish government records management policy. | Prof Leitch confirmed he used an auto-delete function on a Covid WhatsApp chat during the pandemic but insisted he followed Scottish government records management policy. |
| But he said a WhatsApp comment he made, previously shown at the inquiry, about deleting messages as a "pre-bed ritual" was a "flippant exaggeration". | But he said a WhatsApp comment he made, previously shown at the inquiry, about deleting messages as a "pre-bed ritual" was a "flippant exaggeration". |
| Messages read out at the inquiry showed then health secretary Mr Yousaf, who served in the role between 2021 and 2023, asked the national clinical director for guidance before attending a dinner where he was due to give a speech. | Messages read out at the inquiry showed then health secretary Mr Yousaf, who served in the role between 2021 and 2023, asked the national clinical director for guidance before attending a dinner where he was due to give a speech. |
| Mr Yousaf wrote: "I know sitting at the table, I don't need my mask. If I'm standing talking to folk, need my mask on? [sic]." | |
| Prof Leitch responded: "Officially yes. But literally no-one does. Have a drink in your hands at ALL times. Then you're exempt. So if someone comes over and you stand, lift your drink." | Prof Leitch responded: "Officially yes. But literally no-one does. Have a drink in your hands at ALL times. Then you're exempt. So if someone comes over and you stand, lift your drink." |
| The inquiry heard that at the time, in November 2021, the Delta and Omicron variants were driving a surge in infections, leading to a peak in cases eight times higher than during the initial Covid wave in 2020. | |
| Counsel to the inquiry, Jamie Dawson KC, asked: "If health secretary didn't understand the rules, what chance did anyone else have?" | Counsel to the inquiry, Jamie Dawson KC, asked: "If health secretary didn't understand the rules, what chance did anyone else have?" |
| Prof Leitch told the inquiry there was "difficulty" and "nuance" with the rules about wearing a mask at hospitality functions and that he got the impression no-one followed the official guidance at the "few" such occasions he attended. | Prof Leitch told the inquiry there was "difficulty" and "nuance" with the rules about wearing a mask at hospitality functions and that he got the impression no-one followed the official guidance at the "few" such occasions he attended. |
| He said it was a "tricky area that I found tricky as well". | He said it was a "tricky area that I found tricky as well". |
| The national clinical director described an incident that was posted on social media when he was approached at a dinner and asked for a photo but did not have mask on. | The national clinical director described an incident that was posted on social media when he was approached at a dinner and asked for a photo but did not have mask on. |
| First Minister Humza Yousaf previously served as health secretary | First Minister Humza Yousaf previously served as health secretary |
| "Strictly speaking that was breaking the rules but it was during a dinner and during a social occasion and therefore I thought it was legitimate," he told the inquiry. | "Strictly speaking that was breaking the rules but it was during a dinner and during a social occasion and therefore I thought it was legitimate," he told the inquiry. |
| Prof Leitch rejected a suggestion Mr Dawson that he had offered the then health secretary a "workaround" to the rules. | Prof Leitch rejected a suggestion Mr Dawson that he had offered the then health secretary a "workaround" to the rules. |
| "I gave him advice to show him how to comply with the rules," the national clinical director said. | "I gave him advice to show him how to comply with the rules," the national clinical director said. |
| WhatsApp concerns | WhatsApp concerns |
| He told the inquiry that except for direct Twitter messages, he had not retained any one-to-one informal communications related to managing the pandemic. | |
| Prof Leitch was asked about why he said in a WhatsApp group chat from May 2021: "WhatsApp deletion is a pre-bed ritual." | |
| He told the inquiry he did not delete messages every day. | He told the inquiry he did not delete messages every day. |
| "This was a flippant exaggeration in an informal messaging group and it wasn't done every day before I went to bed," the national clinical director told the inquiry. | "This was a flippant exaggeration in an informal messaging group and it wasn't done every day before I went to bed," the national clinical director told the inquiry. |
| In another WhatsApp chat, Prof Leitch advised colleagues in September 2020: "Just my usual reminder to delete your chat ... particularly after we reach a conclusion." | In another WhatsApp chat, Prof Leitch advised colleagues in September 2020: "Just my usual reminder to delete your chat ... particularly after we reach a conclusion." |
| Covid Inquiry has my informal messages, says Sturgeon | Covid Inquiry has my informal messages, says Sturgeon |
| Why is the UK Covid Inquiry coming to Scotland? | Why is the UK Covid Inquiry coming to Scotland? |
| The national clinical director told the inquiry that he was following Scottish government guidance that once a decision had been reached, and that had been submitted to the records management system, the chat should then be deleted. | The national clinical director told the inquiry that he was following Scottish government guidance that once a decision had been reached, and that had been submitted to the records management system, the chat should then be deleted. |
| Prof Leitch said he also applied an auto-delete function to a group with chief medical officer Gregor Smith and Jim McMenamin, the chairman of the National Incident Management Team. | Prof Leitch said he also applied an auto-delete function to a group with chief medical officer Gregor Smith and Jim McMenamin, the chairman of the National Incident Management Team. |
| Asked whose messages he thought that would remove, the national clinical director answered: "That's good question I think it deletes everybody's." | Asked whose messages he thought that would remove, the national clinical director answered: "That's good question I think it deletes everybody's." |
| He said he was "comfortable" doing so despite the risk it could delete messages before a submission had been made to the corporate record because "the decisions we were coming to were being dealt with very, very quickly". | He said he was "comfortable" doing so despite the risk it could delete messages before a submission had been made to the corporate record because "the decisions we were coming to were being dealt with very, very quickly". |
| Next to give evidence to the inquiry was Devi Sridhar, professor and chair of global public health at the University of Edinburgh, who gave advice to the Scottish government during the pandemic. | Next to give evidence to the inquiry was Devi Sridhar, professor and chair of global public health at the University of Edinburgh, who gave advice to the Scottish government during the pandemic. |
| She said she had received abuse and death threats after becoming a well-known figure during the crisis. | She said she had received abuse and death threats after becoming a well-known figure during the crisis. |
| Prof Devi Sridhar denied she was "too friendly" with Nicola Sturgeon | Prof Devi Sridhar denied she was "too friendly" with Nicola Sturgeon |
| She spoke about what she described as her "close working relationship" with former First Minister Nicola Sturgeon, who she said offered to become her first client after qualifying as a personal trainer in a "throwaway" comment. | She spoke about what she described as her "close working relationship" with former First Minister Nicola Sturgeon, who she said offered to become her first client after qualifying as a personal trainer in a "throwaway" comment. |
| Prof Sridhar said they only met in person twice, both at official meetings. | Prof Sridhar said they only met in person twice, both at official meetings. |
| The inquiry was shown several exchanges between the pair via Twitter direct messages. | The inquiry was shown several exchanges between the pair via Twitter direct messages. |
| In the exchange from June 2020, Prof Sridhar said she was worried about overstepping the mark by sending a draft policy paper to Ms Sturgeon. | In the exchange from June 2020, Prof Sridhar said she was worried about overstepping the mark by sending a draft policy paper to Ms Sturgeon. |
| 'Don't worry about protocol' | 'Don't worry about protocol' |
| The then first minister replied: "Don't worry about protocol", adding that "tackling the virus more important than that". | The then first minister replied: "Don't worry about protocol", adding that "tackling the virus more important than that". |
| Ms Sturgeon also said she would "handle any issues on that front". | Ms Sturgeon also said she would "handle any issues on that front". |
| She then gave the professor her personal SNP email address and mobile number. | She then gave the professor her personal SNP email address and mobile number. |
| Prof Sridhar told the inquiry: "I think people emphasised a lot that they felt I was under pressure or I was too friendly with her and I thought that came out because we got on quite well." | Prof Sridhar told the inquiry: "I think people emphasised a lot that they felt I was under pressure or I was too friendly with her and I thought that came out because we got on quite well." |
| But the public health expert said she had "similar relationships" with many politicians, including chancellor, Jeremy Hunt, Labour MP Jonathan Ashworth and Liberal Democrat MP Layla Moran. | But the public health expert said she had "similar relationships" with many politicians, including chancellor, Jeremy Hunt, Labour MP Jonathan Ashworth and Liberal Democrat MP Layla Moran. |
| Related Topics | Related Topics |
| Coronavirus public inquiry | Coronavirus public inquiry |
| Nicola Sturgeon | Nicola Sturgeon |
| Jason Leitch | Jason Leitch |
| Coronavirus | Coronavirus |