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A former Labour minister has called for the "great majority" of British troops to be withdrawn from Afghanistan.A former Labour minister has called for the "great majority" of British troops to be withdrawn from Afghanistan.
Kim Howells, chairman of the intelligence and security committee, said the money should be diverted to securing Britain from terrorist attack.Kim Howells, chairman of the intelligence and security committee, said the money should be diverted to securing Britain from terrorist attack.
He made his call before the news that five UK soldiers had died in a single incident in Helmand Province.He made his call before the news that five UK soldiers had died in a single incident in Helmand Province.
The Ministry of Defence said securing Afghanistan's borders was crucial for maintaining the UK's security.The Ministry of Defence said securing Afghanistan's borders was crucial for maintaining the UK's security.
A spokesman said it was "vital to the UK that Afghanistan becomes a stable and secure state that is able to suppress violent extremism within its borders".A spokesman said it was "vital to the UK that Afghanistan becomes a stable and secure state that is able to suppress violent extremism within its borders".
"Britain's own security is at risk if we again allow Afghanistan to become a safe haven for terrorists," he added."Britain's own security is at risk if we again allow Afghanistan to become a safe haven for terrorists," he added.
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Mr Howells - a former foreign office minister who supported the war when it began in 2001 - said the opportunity given to the Afghans to tackle the problems blighting the country had "largely been squandered".Mr Howells - a former foreign office minister who supported the war when it began in 2001 - said the opportunity given to the Afghans to tackle the problems blighting the country had "largely been squandered".
Suggestions that British troops might have to remain in Afghanistan for decades to come to stabilise the country were "absurd", he said.Suggestions that British troops might have to remain in Afghanistan for decades to come to stabilise the country were "absurd", he said.
A properly planned, phased withdrawal of troops from Helmand province - where the majority of UK forces are based - was necessary.A properly planned, phased withdrawal of troops from Helmand province - where the majority of UK forces are based - was necessary.
"How long do we put up with brave young men and women dying and being injured in Afghanistan?" he told the BBC."How long do we put up with brave young men and women dying and being injured in Afghanistan?" he told the BBC.
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Public support for the mission had been severely damaged by the recent Afghan presidential election, which was beset by claims of corruption.Public support for the mission had been severely damaged by the recent Afghan presidential election, which was beset by claims of corruption.
"I think that part of the problem is the way in which we have handled the Karzai government and the way in which we have handled our NATO allies because the great burden of fighting and of deaths and injuries have been borne by the Americans, by us, by the Canadians and the Danes."I think that part of the problem is the way in which we have handled the Karzai government and the way in which we have handled our NATO allies because the great burden of fighting and of deaths and injuries have been borne by the Americans, by us, by the Canadians and the Danes.
"Very few countries have put their troops in the way of danger as we have and we have borne the struggle against terrorism in Afghanistan hoping that it will reduce terrorism in this country.""Very few countries have put their troops in the way of danger as we have and we have borne the struggle against terrorism in Afghanistan hoping that it will reduce terrorism in this country."
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The BBC's defence correspondent Caroline Wyatt said this was the first call by a senior politician for UK troops to be pulled out.The BBC's defence correspondent Caroline Wyatt said this was the first call by a senior politician for UK troops to be pulled out.
However, she said there were other MPs from all parties, particularly among the Liberal Democrats, who felt the same way.However, she said there were other MPs from all parties, particularly among the Liberal Democrats, who felt the same way.
Labour MP Eric Joyce, who resigned as a defence aide in protest over Afghan policy, said Mr Howells was "quite right" that the UK's "main effort" should be on protecting its citizens at home.
While he did not back the immediate withdrawal of UK troops, he told the BBC the government must ask itself whether the current strategy was working both in terms of the "blood and money" being spent.
"We need to reappraise exactly what we are doing in Afghanistan."
The deaths of a further five soldiers takes the number of British military personnel killed on operations in Afghanistan since 2001 to 229.The deaths of a further five soldiers takes the number of British military personnel killed on operations in Afghanistan since 2001 to 229.
Prime Minister Gordon Brown said the whole country would mourn the deaths of the soldiers, who were shot by a "rogue" Afghan policeman.Prime Minister Gordon Brown said the whole country would mourn the deaths of the soldiers, who were shot by a "rogue" Afghan policeman.
This year, the UK deployment rose from 8,000 to just over 9,000 - the second largest contribution to the international coalition in the country. The UK currently has 9,000 troops in Afghanistan and Gordon Brown has said he is prepared to send a further 500 troops to Afghanistan if certain conditions are met.
The government has said it is prepared to send a further 500 troops to Afghanistan if certain conditions are met.
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Writing in Wednesday's Guardian, Mr Howells said seven years of military involvement had subdued al-Qaeda's activities in Afghanistan but had not destroyed the organisation or its leader, Osama Bin Laden.Writing in Wednesday's Guardian, Mr Howells said seven years of military involvement had subdued al-Qaeda's activities in Afghanistan but had not destroyed the organisation or its leader, Osama Bin Laden.
Nor had it dealt with "al-Qaeda's protectors, the Taliban", he said. He said the British people were increasingly questioning whether deploying troops was the best way of preventing "Islamic terrorist murders in the UK".
He said the British people were increasingly questioning whether deploying troops - at a cost to soldiers' lives and the public purse - was the most effective way of preventing "Islamic terrorist murders in the UK".
British troops have been in Afghanistan since 2001British troops have been in Afghanistan since 2001
"It is time to ask whether the fight against those who are intent on murdering British citizens might better be served by diverting [the cost of maintaining British forces in Afghanistan] to the work of the UK Border Agency and our police and intelligence services."It is time to ask whether the fight against those who are intent on murdering British citizens might better be served by diverting [the cost of maintaining British forces in Afghanistan] to the work of the UK Border Agency and our police and intelligence services.
"It would be better... to bring home the great majority of our fighting men and women and concentrate on using the money saved to secure our own borders, gather intelligence on terrorist activities inside Britain, expand our intelligence operations abroad.""It would be better... to bring home the great majority of our fighting men and women and concentrate on using the money saved to secure our own borders, gather intelligence on terrorist activities inside Britain, expand our intelligence operations abroad."
He said co-operating with foreign intelligence services and countering the propaganda of those who encourage terrorism should be prioritised. As chairman of the Intelligence and Security Committee, Mr Howells is responsible for examining the policy and budgets of the domestic and foreign security services, MI5 and MI6.
He acknowledged such a move would require "reinventing ourselves diplomatically and militarily" as well as a heavier police presence on the streets of the UK and "intrusive" surveillance. Co-operating with foreign intelligence services and countering terrorist propaganda should be prioritised, he said.
"Life inside the UK would have to change," he said. He acknowledged such a move would require a much heavier police presence on the streets of the UK and "intrusive" surveillance.
"Some of these changes will create great opposition," he said, "but many of them will be welcomed." "Life inside the UK would have to change," he said. "Some of these changes will create great opposition but many of them will be welcomed."