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The public are not convinced that the UK's Afghanistan mission is "doable," the head of the armed forces has said.The public are not convinced that the UK's Afghanistan mission is "doable," the head of the armed forces has said.
Sir Jock Stirrup told BBC One's Andrew Marr show it was "incredibly important that we do better at explaining the successes we are having".Sir Jock Stirrup told BBC One's Andrew Marr show it was "incredibly important that we do better at explaining the successes we are having".
It comes as a BBC poll found 64% of Britons believe the war is "unwinnable", up from 58% in July.It comes as a BBC poll found 64% of Britons believe the war is "unwinnable", up from 58% in July.
But Defence secretary Bob Ainsworth said the UK's presence there could not be determined by public opinion.But Defence secretary Bob Ainsworth said the UK's presence there could not be determined by public opinion.
Sir Jock acknowledged that progress was "painful, slow and halting", but he said that the troops doing the fighting believed that they were gaining ground.Sir Jock acknowledged that progress was "painful, slow and halting", but he said that the troops doing the fighting believed that they were gaining ground.
'Worth fighting for''Worth fighting for'
He said not nearly enough had been done to "demonstrate that over the long term that this is doable. "He said not nearly enough had been done to "demonstrate that over the long term that this is doable. "
POLITICS SHOW/COMRES SURVEY I feel I have a good understanding of the purpose of Britain's mission in AfghanistanAgree 54%, disagree 42%, don't know 4%All British forces should be withdrawn from Afghanistan as quickly as possibleAgree 63%, disagree 31%, don't know 6%The war in Afghanistan is unwinnableAgree 64%, disagree 27%, don't know 10%The levels of corruption involved in the recent Presidential election show the war in Afghanistan is not worth fighting forAgree 52%, disagree 36%, don't know 12% Sample: 1,009 adults polled by phone on 4 and 5 November Paper calls for UK's Afghan exit POLITICS SHOW/COMRES SURVEY I feel I have a good understanding of the purpose of Britain's mission in AfghanistanAgree 54%, disagree 42%, don't know 4%All British forces should be withdrawn from Afghanistan as quickly as possibleAgree 63%, disagree 31%, don't know 6%The war in Afghanistan is unwinnableAgree 64%, disagree 27%, don't know 10%The levels of corruption involved in the recent Presidential election show the war in Afghanistan is not worth fighting forAgree 52%, disagree 36%, don't know 12% Sample: 1,009 adults polled by phone on 4 and 5 November Paper calls for UK's Afghan exit class="" href="/2/hi/programmes/politics_show/8344147.stm">Politics show: Afghanistan special
He added: "What we see is the downside and it is a very, very painful downside, tragic losses bereaved families back home that are having to cope with that loss, people who are injured and having to deal with a complete change in their life.He added: "What we see is the downside and it is a very, very painful downside, tragic losses bereaved families back home that are having to cope with that loss, people who are injured and having to deal with a complete change in their life.
"But, out there on the ground, talk to the people who are doing it on the ground and they will tell you that they are making real progress. We have got to do much better at describing their progress.""But, out there on the ground, talk to the people who are doing it on the ground and they will tell you that they are making real progress. We have got to do much better at describing their progress."
Sir Jock said the Afghan army would not be able to take over security until 2014 - a year later than the current US estimate, which he said was "a little optimistic".Sir Jock said the Afghan army would not be able to take over security until 2014 - a year later than the current US estimate, which he said was "a little optimistic".
Challenged about a front page story in The Independent on Sunday questioning the mission, he said: "It is true that al-Qeada are not operating in Afghanistan at the moment. It is also true that over the last couple of years in particular the al-Qeada core has suffered significant damage".Challenged about a front page story in The Independent on Sunday questioning the mission, he said: "It is true that al-Qeada are not operating in Afghanistan at the moment. It is also true that over the last couple of years in particular the al-Qeada core has suffered significant damage".
That did not mean "that they could not come back, that they are finished for good" but if pressure on them continued "they could be," he argued.That did not mean "that they could not come back, that they are finished for good" but if pressure on them continued "they could be," he argued.
He rejected the argument of former foreign office minister Kim Howells that Britain would be better off pulling out its troops and switching resources to building up security at home.He rejected the argument of former foreign office minister Kim Howells that Britain would be better off pulling out its troops and switching resources to building up security at home.
"You can't defend just on the goal-line. That won't work," he said."You can't defend just on the goal-line. That won't work," he said.
'Clear military progress''Clear military progress'
Air Chief Marshal Stirrup's comments came as hundreds of people gathered in London for the annual Remembrance service and British troops at Camp Bastion, in Afghanistan, remembered the fallen on a day another soldier was killed, taking the British death toll to 231.Air Chief Marshal Stirrup's comments came as hundreds of people gathered in London for the annual Remembrance service and British troops at Camp Bastion, in Afghanistan, remembered the fallen on a day another soldier was killed, taking the British death toll to 231.
Turning to strategy on the ground, Sir Jock confirmed the international force (ISAF) would focus more on the main population centres in Afghanistan - but he denied Britain was planning to pull out of the key Helmand town of Musa Qala, which was retaken from the Taleban amid heavy fighting in 2007.Turning to strategy on the ground, Sir Jock confirmed the international force (ISAF) would focus more on the main population centres in Afghanistan - but he denied Britain was planning to pull out of the key Helmand town of Musa Qala, which was retaken from the Taleban amid heavy fighting in 2007.
This campaign is directly connected to our safety back here in the United Kingdom and people need to recognise that Bob Ainsworth, defence secretaryThis campaign is directly connected to our safety back here in the United Kingdom and people need to recognise that Bob Ainsworth, defence secretary
He also acknowledged there was frustration in London at Washington's delay in sending more troops to Afghanistan, saying the current strategy requires more force "and if that force is not forthcoming we will have to think again".He also acknowledged there was frustration in London at Washington's delay in sending more troops to Afghanistan, saying the current strategy requires more force "and if that force is not forthcoming we will have to think again".
In a poll for the BBC's Politics Show, 42% of the 1,009 adults surveyed said they did not understand the purpose of Britain's mission in Afghanistan.In a poll for the BBC's Politics Show, 42% of the 1,009 adults surveyed said they did not understand the purpose of Britain's mission in Afghanistan.
Some 63% of those surveyed felt UK troops should be withdrawn as soon as possible, and 52% agreed that levels of corruption in Afghanistan's government meant the war was "not worth fighting for".Some 63% of those surveyed felt UK troops should be withdrawn as soon as possible, and 52% agreed that levels of corruption in Afghanistan's government meant the war was "not worth fighting for".
Defence Secretary Bob Ainsworth acknowledged public opinion had been "dented" by recent losses, but added: "We cannot run a campaign like this off the back of an opinion poll."Defence Secretary Bob Ainsworth acknowledged public opinion had been "dented" by recent losses, but added: "We cannot run a campaign like this off the back of an opinion poll."
He told Sky News: "We have to persevere, we have to show some resolution.He told Sky News: "We have to persevere, we have to show some resolution.
"This campaign is directly connected to our safety back here in the United Kingdom and people need to recognise that. Failure will be a disaster for us.""This campaign is directly connected to our safety back here in the United Kingdom and people need to recognise that. Failure will be a disaster for us."
The government's strategy on Afghanistan has come under heavy scrutiny in a week in which five British soldiers were killed in an attack by an Afghan police officer.The government's strategy on Afghanistan has come under heavy scrutiny in a week in which five British soldiers were killed in an attack by an Afghan police officer.
So far, 94 UK service personnel have been killed in 2009 - the highest toll in a single year since the Falklands campaign 27 years ago.So far, 94 UK service personnel have been killed in 2009 - the highest toll in a single year since the Falklands campaign 27 years ago.
Shadow foreign secretary William Hague backed calls for a better communications strategy, but said "actual military success" also had to be demonstrated.Shadow foreign secretary William Hague backed calls for a better communications strategy, but said "actual military success" also had to be demonstrated.
He said: "Public support would not be sustained for a campaign of that length in which we could not show really clear military and political progress in Afghanistan."He said: "Public support would not be sustained for a campaign of that length in which we could not show really clear military and political progress in Afghanistan."
The senior UK commander in Afghanistan, Lt Gen Jim Dutton, echoed these comments, saying in an interview with BBC One's Politics Show that the public "have to believe that we can win".The senior UK commander in Afghanistan, Lt Gen Jim Dutton, echoed these comments, saying in an interview with BBC One's Politics Show that the public "have to believe that we can win".
The number of British military personnel killed on operations in Afghanistan since 2001 stands at 231.The number of British military personnel killed on operations in Afghanistan since 2001 stands at 231.