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| Labour cannot promise cheaper rail fares under renationalisation | Labour cannot promise cheaper rail fares under renationalisation |
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| Transport Secretary Heidi Alexander "would love to be able" to promise fares will fall under renationalisation | Transport Secretary Heidi Alexander "would love to be able" to promise fares will fall under renationalisation |
| The government cannot guarantee train tickets will get cheaper under renationalisation, as South Western Railway (SWR) was brought into public ownership on Sunday. | The government cannot guarantee train tickets will get cheaper under renationalisation, as South Western Railway (SWR) was brought into public ownership on Sunday. |
| It is the first train company to be nationalised under Labour, a move which the government called a "new dawn for rail". | It is the first train company to be nationalised under Labour, a move which the government called a "new dawn for rail". |
| While Transport Secretary Heidi Alexander told the BBC she "would love to be able" to promise lower fares, she said the day-to-day running of trains was already heavily subsidised by the taxpayer. | While Transport Secretary Heidi Alexander told the BBC she "would love to be able" to promise lower fares, she said the day-to-day running of trains was already heavily subsidised by the taxpayer. |
| The focus will instead be on improving services and infrastructure, she said. | The focus will instead be on improving services and infrastructure, she said. |
| However, some members of the public questioned the point of renationalising train operators if it did not reduce prices. | However, some members of the public questioned the point of renationalising train operators if it did not reduce prices. |
| The first service by the renationlised SWR departed at 05:36 on Sunday from Woking to Surbiton - though the ongoing journey to London Waterloo was on a rail replacement bus due to engineering work. | The first service by the renationlised SWR departed at 05:36 on Sunday from Woking to Surbiton - though the ongoing journey to London Waterloo was on a rail replacement bus due to engineering work. |
| SWR trains are now the responsibility of the DfT (Department for Transport) Operator and will be integrated into Great British Railways (GBR), which will oversee all railway infrastructure. | SWR trains are now the responsibility of the DfT (Department for Transport) Operator and will be integrated into Great British Railways (GBR), which will oversee all railway infrastructure. |
| GBR will not officially exist until MPs vote to create it, which looks set to be in the autumn - though it will not be up and running for some time afterwards. Until then, the DfT will be in charge. | GBR will not officially exist until MPs vote to create it, which looks set to be in the autumn - though it will not be up and running for some time afterwards. Until then, the DfT will be in charge. |
| Asked whether ticket prices will fall during a visit to a train depot in Bournemouth, Alexander said: "I can't promise you that. | Asked whether ticket prices will fall during a visit to a train depot in Bournemouth, Alexander said: "I can't promise you that. |
| "I would love to be able to do that but the truth of the matter is that, on an annual basis, just [for] the day-today running of the trains the taxpayer subsidises them to the tune of £2bn a year." | "I would love to be able to do that but the truth of the matter is that, on an annual basis, just [for] the day-today running of the trains the taxpayer subsidises them to the tune of £2bn a year." |
| She added that she "will strain every sinew to make sure that [customers] get good value for money". | She added that she "will strain every sinew to make sure that [customers] get good value for money". |
| The Conservative Party said Labour had "talked up the benefits of renationalisation for years and they will now have to deliver on their promises of lower ticket prices". | The Conservative Party said Labour had "talked up the benefits of renationalisation for years and they will now have to deliver on their promises of lower ticket prices". |
| Shadow transport secretary Gareth Bacon said: "The alternative is that, as usual, British taxpayers have to foot the bill for Labour." | Shadow transport secretary Gareth Bacon said: "The alternative is that, as usual, British taxpayers have to foot the bill for Labour." |
| People who had travelled to the seaside town on England's south coast this weekend told the BBC that cheaper fares should be at the heart of renationalistion. | People who had travelled to the seaside town on England's south coast this weekend told the BBC that cheaper fares should be at the heart of renationalistion. |
| Lauren, one of a group of four who came down from Leicester, said: "If we're not going to have any price reductions, it is not going to benefit the consumers. | Lauren, one of a group of four who came down from Leicester, said: "If we're not going to have any price reductions, it is not going to benefit the consumers. |
| "I just don't know what the point of it is." | "I just don't know what the point of it is." |
| Lauren (L) and Caroline (R) travelled to Bournemouth by electric car instead of taking an "expensive" train | Lauren (L) and Caroline (R) travelled to Bournemouth by electric car instead of taking an "expensive" train |
| Caroline, meanwhile, said the group used the car instead of the train because "tickets are far too expensive". | Caroline, meanwhile, said the group used the car instead of the train because "tickets are far too expensive". |
| "There's four of us and to get down here would have been something around £400 - maybe around £500 - for a short break, so we've come in the electric vehicle which is obviously a lot cheaper," she said. | "There's four of us and to get down here would have been something around £400 - maybe around £500 - for a short break, so we've come in the electric vehicle which is obviously a lot cheaper," she said. |
| Adam, from Evesham, also avoids using the train because of the cost. | Adam, from Evesham, also avoids using the train because of the cost. |
| "I frequent Europe quite a lot with work, and if you compare the cost of trains on the Continent to here, you're probably paying 400% more than what you would over there." | "I frequent Europe quite a lot with work, and if you compare the cost of trains on the Continent to here, you're probably paying 400% more than what you would over there." |
| He added: "It's a huge reduction of carbon into the atmosphere, it is usually quite a convenient way to travel, you can obviously do other things whilst on that mode of transport, so to make it an affordable, effective way of travel should be a huge priority for the government." | He added: "It's a huge reduction of carbon into the atmosphere, it is usually quite a convenient way to travel, you can obviously do other things whilst on that mode of transport, so to make it an affordable, effective way of travel should be a huge priority for the government." |
| Whitehall sources have told the BBC that ministers hope to find ways to cut the cost of rail travel, but that it is impossible to make promises before GBR is formally established and other services renationalised. | Whitehall sources have told the BBC that ministers hope to find ways to cut the cost of rail travel, but that it is impossible to make promises before GBR is formally established and other services renationalised. |
| In 1996, the first privatised service - which took place under John Major's Conservative government - was also operated by a rail replacement bus. | In 1996, the first privatised service - which took place under John Major's Conservative government - was also operated by a rail replacement bus. |
| Despite it being unlikely that fares will fall soon, many of those who spoke to the BBC in Bournemouth were in favour of nationalising trains. | |
| Kemi, from London, who travelled there via coach because it was "cheaper", said she hoped bringing rail companies under state control would improve "transparency" around prices. | Kemi, from London, who travelled there via coach because it was "cheaper", said she hoped bringing rail companies under state control would improve "transparency" around prices. |
| "If they are not going to reduce the cost, [there should be] some kind of justification of why the costs are so high," she said. | "If they are not going to reduce the cost, [there should be] some kind of justification of why the costs are so high," she said. |
| Four major operators have already been brought into public ownership under previous Conservative governments - London North Eastern Railway (LNER), South Eastern, TransPennine Express and Northern. | Four major operators have already been brought into public ownership under previous Conservative governments - London North Eastern Railway (LNER), South Eastern, TransPennine Express and Northern. |
| Two more rail firms, C2C and Greater Anglia, will be renationalised later this year. | Two more rail firms, C2C and Greater Anglia, will be renationalised later this year. |
| Current government plans are to renationalise nearly all passenger rail services in England by 2027. | Current government plans are to renationalise nearly all passenger rail services in England by 2027. |
| Adam said rail travel in Europe was far cheaper than in the UK | Adam said rail travel in Europe was far cheaper than in the UK |
| The Rail Maritime and Transport (RMT) union said SWR's nationalisation was "a major step forward and is a clear rejection of the failed privatisation model". | The Rail Maritime and Transport (RMT) union said SWR's nationalisation was "a major step forward and is a clear rejection of the failed privatisation model". |
| But its general secretary Eddie Dempsey expressed concern over outsourcing staffing for security, cleaning and other areas to private companies, saying: "The job is incomplete when our contracted-out members remain outsourced and not reaping the benefits of nationalisation." | But its general secretary Eddie Dempsey expressed concern over outsourcing staffing for security, cleaning and other areas to private companies, saying: "The job is incomplete when our contracted-out members remain outsourced and not reaping the benefits of nationalisation." |
| Seven more companies will be renationalised by 2027 as each of their contracts end – or sooner if their performance is judged to be unacceptable. | Seven more companies will be renationalised by 2027 as each of their contracts end – or sooner if their performance is judged to be unacceptable. |
| These are: | These are: |
| West Midlands Trains | West Midlands Trains |
| East Midlands Railway | East Midlands Railway |
| Avanti West Coast | Avanti West Coast |
| CrossCountry | CrossCountry |
| Chiltern Railways | Chiltern Railways |
| Govia Thameslink Railway | Govia Thameslink Railway |
| Great Western | Great Western |
| Rail services in Wales were nationalised in 2021. Scotland took trains into public ownership the following year. | Rail services in Wales were nationalised in 2021. Scotland took trains into public ownership the following year. |
| GBR will manage rail tracks across England, Wales and Scotland and operate most passenger train companies in England. | GBR will manage rail tracks across England, Wales and Scotland and operate most passenger train companies in England. |