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Tony Blair's ex-chief of staff has told the Iraq inquiry there was no deal "signed in blood" in March 2002 to support the US in war with Iraq.Tony Blair's ex-chief of staff has told the Iraq inquiry there was no deal "signed in blood" in March 2002 to support the US in war with Iraq.
Jonathan Powell dismissed ex-diplomat Sir Christopher Meyer's claim that Mr Blair's stance had hardened after a private meeting at George Bush's ranch.Jonathan Powell dismissed ex-diplomat Sir Christopher Meyer's claim that Mr Blair's stance had hardened after a private meeting at George Bush's ranch.
"There was no undertaking in blood to go to war in Iraq," Mr Powell said."There was no undertaking in blood to go to war in Iraq," Mr Powell said.
He also said notes from Mr Blair, who faces the inquiry next week, to Mr Bush in 2002 did not commit Britain to war.He also said notes from Mr Blair, who faces the inquiry next week, to Mr Bush in 2002 did not commit Britain to war.
I was at Crawford, David Manning as at Crawford. Christopher Meyer was not at Crawford. He was at Waco 30 miles away Jonathan PowellTony Blair's ex-chief of staff Trade-off
Mr Powell said the notes in which Mr Blair had said "Britain will be there" - if Saddam Hussein could not be disarmed using diplomacy - were part of a process in which Mr Blair had tried to influence the Americans.Mr Powell said the notes in which Mr Blair had said "Britain will be there" - if Saddam Hussein could not be disarmed using diplomacy - were part of a process in which Mr Blair had tried to influence the Americans.
Mr Blair was trying to make clear what would be a sensible basis to "go ahead". "If you just go to someone and say you are wrong forget it... the amount of influence you are likely to have... is less. So yes there's a trade-off between indicating you are with someone and persuading them to move down a certain route."
"What he was talking about was the danger of unintended consequences. Suppose it became militarily tricky, Iraq suffered unexpected civilian casualties, the Iraqis feeling ambivalent about being invaded," he said. He said that in the note Mr Blair had been making clear the basis on which it would be "sensible to go ahead".
I was at Crawford, David Manning as at Crawford. Christopher Meyer was not at Crawford. He was at Waco 30 miles away Jonathan PowellTony Blair's ex-chief of staff
Mr Blair had talked about "the danger of unintended consequences" - if it became "militarily tricky, Iraq suffered unexpected civilian casualties, the Iraqis feeling ambivalent about being invaded".
He said that far from supporting regime change in a speech after the Crawford ranch meeting, Mr Blair's team had been worried about not drawing attention to the gap between the UK and US positions at the press conference.He said that far from supporting regime change in a speech after the Crawford ranch meeting, Mr Blair's team had been worried about not drawing attention to the gap between the UK and US positions at the press conference.
"I was at Crawford, David Manning as at Crawford. Christopher Meyer was not at Crawford. He was at Waco 30 miles away," Mr Powell said."I was at Crawford, David Manning as at Crawford. Christopher Meyer was not at Crawford. He was at Waco 30 miles away," Mr Powell said.
"There was not an undertaking in blood to go to war with Iraq. There was no firm decision to go to war.""There was not an undertaking in blood to go to war with Iraq. There was no firm decision to go to war."
Legal basis 'Assumption'
On the issue of hard evidence of Iraq's weapons of mass destruction - Mr Powell said intelligence was not as hard as evidence - it could only suggest what might be there.
"We had an assumption, we had that assumption because Saddam had used weapons of mass destruction. We had that assumption because he has lied about getting rid of it. We had that assumption because he got rid of weapons inspectors and we bombed him in '98. So it would have taken some quite strong intelligence saying he had got rid of them to persuade us he had got rid of them."
As a result the September 2002 dossier on intelligence was not seen as a "big deal" at the time, he said.
Jonathan Powell: "We were signing up for going down the UN route"
But he said most people accepted that continuing a containment policy against Saddam Hussein was no longer viable in 2001 - and they were concerned that the effectiveness of sanctions would decline and not be replaced by anything.But he said most people accepted that continuing a containment policy against Saddam Hussein was no longer viable in 2001 - and they were concerned that the effectiveness of sanctions would decline and not be replaced by anything.
He was also asked about the claim Mr Blair made, in the foreword to the September 2002 dossier, that intelligence had established "beyond doubt" that Saddam Hussein had continued to produce chemical and biological weapons.He was also asked about the claim Mr Blair made, in the foreword to the September 2002 dossier, that intelligence had established "beyond doubt" that Saddam Hussein had continued to produce chemical and biological weapons.
Mr Powell told the inquiry they were "attaching too much importance" to a phrase which "at the time had very little impact".Mr Powell told the inquiry they were "attaching too much importance" to a phrase which "at the time had very little impact".
He said it had turned out to be a "damp squib" and his much-reported question to former communications chief Alastair Campbell in which he asked what the Evening Standard headline would be was an old joke referring to a previous story about Ken Livingstone when Labour was in opposition. He said it had turned out to be a "damp squib" and his much-reported question to former communications chief Alastair Campbell about what the Evening Standard headline would be was an old joke referring to a previous story about Ken Livingstone when Labour was in opposition.
Meanwhile the ballot for tickets for members of the public to watch Tony Blair's appearance before the inquiry also took place on Monday, with letters set to go towards the successful applicants.Meanwhile the ballot for tickets for members of the public to watch Tony Blair's appearance before the inquiry also took place on Monday, with letters set to go towards the successful applicants.
It was announced on Monday Mr Blair would face the inquiry on Friday next week, the day after ex-attorney general Lord Goldsmith - the man at the centre of controversy over whether the war was lawful.It was announced on Monday Mr Blair would face the inquiry on Friday next week, the day after ex-attorney general Lord Goldsmith - the man at the centre of controversy over whether the war was lawful.
Other witnesses next week include legal advisers from the Foreign Office, while ex-defence secretary Geoff Hoon and ex-foreign secretary Jack Straw are giving evidence later this week.Other witnesses next week include legal advisers from the Foreign Office, while ex-defence secretary Geoff Hoon and ex-foreign secretary Jack Straw are giving evidence later this week.