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Spending Review: David Cameron 'intervenes on defence' Spending Review: David Cameron 'intervenes on defence'
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The budget for the Ministry of Defence has been finalised after a personal intervention by Prime Minister David Cameron, the BBC has learned.The budget for the Ministry of Defence has been finalised after a personal intervention by Prime Minister David Cameron, the BBC has learned.
Defence correspondent Caroline Wyatt said the MoD expected a 7% budget cut, but the Treasury raised this to 10%.Defence correspondent Caroline Wyatt said the MoD expected a 7% budget cut, but the Treasury raised this to 10%.
However, the final figure is thought to be below 10% following Mr Cameron's intervention, our correspondent added.However, the final figure is thought to be below 10% following Mr Cameron's intervention, our correspondent added.
BBC political correspondent Tim Reid said Liam Fox "seems to have won this particular battle with the Treasury".BBC political correspondent Tim Reid said Liam Fox "seems to have won this particular battle with the Treasury".
The defence secretary seemed to have got cuts of between seven and eight per cent, our correspondent added.The defence secretary seemed to have got cuts of between seven and eight per cent, our correspondent added.
He said that Hillary Clinton's comments this week, in which she expressed concern about the expected deep defence cuts, could have added to the pressure on the coalition.He said that Hillary Clinton's comments this week, in which she expressed concern about the expected deep defence cuts, could have added to the pressure on the coalition.
Details of spending cuts are due to be published next week.Details of spending cuts are due to be published next week.
A senior Downing St source told the BBC the review would not see any substantial cuts made to the number of Army personnel.A senior Downing St source told the BBC the review would not see any substantial cuts made to the number of Army personnel.
The source said it would also see £750m saved over four years on Trident, although was not clear how those savings would be made.The source said it would also see £750m saved over four years on Trident, although was not clear how those savings would be made.
Mr Cameron had the "highest respect" for his defence chiefs, and had an "excellent relationship" with Defence Secretary Liam Fox, the source added.Mr Cameron had the "highest respect" for his defence chiefs, and had an "excellent relationship" with Defence Secretary Liam Fox, the source added.
Speaking on BBC Radio 4's Today programme, Michael Clarke, of the Royal United Services Institute think thank, said Army numbers had to be cut.
But that would not happen before 2015, when a withdrawal from Afghanistan would be under way, he said.
Mr Clarke described the defence cuts as a "bellwether" for Nato, which would be watching closely to see where the axe fell.
On the same programme, former First Sea Lord Admiral Lord West said: "Politically, I can understand how the government finds it difficult to cut Army numbers when our soldiers are dying in Afghanistan."
He said that "strategically it would make sense" to cut numbers by 20,000.
After what some defence sources have called a "bloody night", it has emerged that the MoD budget was finalised after the prime minister personally intervened, insisting the armed forces must have enough money to do their job.After what some defence sources have called a "bloody night", it has emerged that the MoD budget was finalised after the prime minister personally intervened, insisting the armed forces must have enough money to do their job.
David Cameron ultimately came down on the side of the Defence Secretary Liam Fox, who has fought a tough battle against the Treasury's desire for cuts of at least 10%.David Cameron ultimately came down on the side of the Defence Secretary Liam Fox, who has fought a tough battle against the Treasury's desire for cuts of at least 10%.
It is believed the final settlement puts the cuts to the MoD's £37bn a year budget somewhere in the region of 8%, although with the "black hole" in the defence budget inherited from the Labour government, that could equate to rather higher real cuts.It is believed the final settlement puts the cuts to the MoD's £37bn a year budget somewhere in the region of 8%, although with the "black hole" in the defence budget inherited from the Labour government, that could equate to rather higher real cuts.
'Can live with''Can live with'
There has been intense debate inside government about where the cuts should fall within the defence budget.There has been intense debate inside government about where the cuts should fall within the defence budget.
Initial demands by the Treasury were for reductions of between 10% and 20%, with many options put before the National Security Council.Initial demands by the Treasury were for reductions of between 10% and 20%, with many options put before the National Security Council.
Earlier this week it was believed at the MoD that a settlement was close at about 7%, but the Treasury came back demanding cuts of 10%.Earlier this week it was believed at the MoD that a settlement was close at about 7%, but the Treasury came back demanding cuts of 10%.
Military chiefs said that would damage the front line in Afghanistan, something Mr Cameron had previously made clear he was not prepared to do.Military chiefs said that would damage the front line in Afghanistan, something Mr Cameron had previously made clear he was not prepared to do.
Caroline Wyatt says that although the exact settlement figure has not been revealed, it is something the defence secretary "can live with".Caroline Wyatt says that although the exact settlement figure has not been revealed, it is something the defence secretary "can live with".
The BBC understands that both planned aircraft carriers, HMS Queen Elizabeth and HMS Prince of Wales, will be built - but the Royal Navy stands to lose a significant portion of its surface fleet, while the order for the joint strike fighters for the carriers will be scaled down substantially.The BBC understands that both planned aircraft carriers, HMS Queen Elizabeth and HMS Prince of Wales, will be built - but the Royal Navy stands to lose a significant portion of its surface fleet, while the order for the joint strike fighters for the carriers will be scaled down substantially.
The carriers are being constructed in sections in Scotland, Portsmouth and north Devon.The carriers are being constructed in sections in Scotland, Portsmouth and north Devon.
Speaking on the Today programme, Lord West said he would be "delighted" if the two carriers were built.
"They provide four and a half acres of British sovereign territory with no over-flying rights, we don't have to put troops on the ground with all the risks of terrorism and so on, and we can influence the world and keep a stable globe, which is very important for our wealth in this country," he said.
It is believed that the Joint RAF/Fleet Air Arm Harrier force may face the axe, while some squadrons of RAF Tornado jets could be saved instead - although some air force bases will close.It is believed that the Joint RAF/Fleet Air Arm Harrier force may face the axe, while some squadrons of RAF Tornado jets could be saved instead - although some air force bases will close.
The Army may have to cut up to 7,000 or so personnel over the next five years, while the MoD itself could face substantial cuts to its civilian staff.The Army may have to cut up to 7,000 or so personnel over the next five years, while the MoD itself could face substantial cuts to its civilian staff.
Sources say £750m will be saved over four years on the Trident nuclear deterrent missile system but it is not yet clear how those savings will be made.Sources say £750m will be saved over four years on the Trident nuclear deterrent missile system but it is not yet clear how those savings will be made.