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21/7 suspect's claim 'is amazing' | 21/7 suspect's claim 'is amazing' |
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One of the alleged 21 July bombers must have been "very, very sure" that a device he claimed to have tested in a flat would not explode, a court heard. | One of the alleged 21 July bombers must have been "very, very sure" that a device he claimed to have tested in a flat would not explode, a court heard. |
Expert Hans Michels said Muktar Ibrahim's story of detonating 2kg (4.5lb) of main charge to check no-one would be hurt was "amazing". | Expert Hans Michels said Muktar Ibrahim's story of detonating 2kg (4.5lb) of main charge to check no-one would be hurt was "amazing". |
Prof Michels also told Woolwich Crown Court the devices used on 21 July, 2005, were not capable of exploding. | Prof Michels also told Woolwich Crown Court the devices used on 21 July, 2005, were not capable of exploding. |
Six men all deny conspiracy to murder and to cause explosions. | Six men all deny conspiracy to murder and to cause explosions. |
They are accused of attacking London's transport network on 21 July 2005. | They are accused of attacking London's transport network on 21 July 2005. |
Mr Ibrahim, 29, from Stoke Newington, north London, is the first of the six to appear in the witness box. | Mr Ibrahim, 29, from Stoke Newington, north London, is the first of the six to appear in the witness box. |
He has claimed he wanted to test the device indoors to make sure no-one would be hurt. | He has claimed he wanted to test the device indoors to make sure no-one would be hurt. |
'Wanted to survive' | 'Wanted to survive' |
Mr Ibrahim has admitted making the homemade hydrogen peroxide and chapatti flour devices, but insisted none of them was capable of causing injury. | |
I don't quite understand why he would want to do that Prof Hans Michels | I don't quite understand why he would want to do that Prof Hans Michels |
The London court was earlier told that he attempted to detonate the charge at the flat in New Southgate, north London, to make sure of this. | The London court was earlier told that he attempted to detonate the charge at the flat in New Southgate, north London, to make sure of this. |
Asked for his views of this claim, Hans Michels, professor of safety engineering at Imperial College London, said: "If he tested something which had 2kg of explosives and he wanted to survive that, he must have been very, very sure that it wasn't going off." | Asked for his views of this claim, Hans Michels, professor of safety engineering at Imperial College London, said: "If he tested something which had 2kg of explosives and he wanted to survive that, he must have been very, very sure that it wasn't going off." |
The scientist, who is appearing for Mr Ibrahim's defence, added: "That's certainly not something that I would recommend doing. | The scientist, who is appearing for Mr Ibrahim's defence, added: "That's certainly not something that I would recommend doing. |
"If that's your first test, then I think that's amazing. | "If that's your first test, then I think that's amazing. |
"I don't quite understand why he would want to do that. | "I don't quite understand why he would want to do that. |
"Certainly I would move." | "Certainly I would move." |
Prof Michels also told the jury the devices used on 21 July were not capable of exploding. | Prof Michels also told the jury the devices used on 21 July were not capable of exploding. |
The detonators were viable, he said, but not powerful enough to set off the main charge. | The detonators were viable, he said, but not powerful enough to set off the main charge. |
But he could not come to a conclusion about whether or not the devices were intended to go off. | But he could not come to a conclusion about whether or not the devices were intended to go off. |
'Main question' | 'Main question' |
A presentation by Prof Michels which was shown to the court read: "Is there any conclusive scientific or technical evidence related to an intentional major explosive objective? None that I have been able to identify." | A presentation by Prof Michels which was shown to the court read: "Is there any conclusive scientific or technical evidence related to an intentional major explosive objective? None that I have been able to identify." |
Stephen Kamlish QC, on behalf of Mr Ibrahim's co-accused Manfu Kwaku Asiedu, asked Prof Michels: "It's the main question in this case, do you understand?" | Stephen Kamlish QC, on behalf of Mr Ibrahim's co-accused Manfu Kwaku Asiedu, asked Prof Michels: "It's the main question in this case, do you understand?" |
Prof Michels answered: "I do understand." | Prof Michels answered: "I do understand." |
Mr Kamlish replied: "And you can't answer it." | Mr Kamlish replied: "And you can't answer it." |
Mr Ibrahim, of Stoke Newington, north London, is on trial with Mr Asiedu, 33 and Hussein Osman, 28, both of no fixed address; Yassin Omar, 26, of New Southgate, north London; Ramzi Mohammed, 25, of North Kensington, west London; and Adel Yahya, 24, of Tottenham, north London. | Mr Ibrahim, of Stoke Newington, north London, is on trial with Mr Asiedu, 33 and Hussein Osman, 28, both of no fixed address; Yassin Omar, 26, of New Southgate, north London; Ramzi Mohammed, 25, of North Kensington, west London; and Adel Yahya, 24, of Tottenham, north London. |
All deny charges of conspiracy to murder and conspiracy to cause explosions likely to endanger life. | All deny charges of conspiracy to murder and conspiracy to cause explosions likely to endanger life. |
The trial continues. | The trial continues. |
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