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| Oxford heads towards maximum fee | Oxford heads towards maximum fee |
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| By Sean Coughlan BBC News education correspondent | By Sean Coughlan BBC News education correspondent |
| Oxford University appears to be paving the way to raise fees towards the maximum level of £9,000 per year. | Oxford University appears to be paving the way to raise fees towards the maximum level of £9,000 per year. |
| Academics and students took part in a university meeting about how much to charge in tuition fees from 2012. | Academics and students took part in a university meeting about how much to charge in tuition fees from 2012. |
| Pro-vice chancellor Tony Monaco said Oxford needed to charge at least £8,000 to replace cuts but students said poorer applicants would be put off. | Pro-vice chancellor Tony Monaco said Oxford needed to charge at least £8,000 to replace cuts but students said poorer applicants would be put off. |
| Cambridge University's working group on fees has already recommended charging £9,000 for all its courses. | Cambridge University's working group on fees has already recommended charging £9,000 for all its courses. |
| The move raises the prospect of other leading universities setting maximum fees. | The move raises the prospect of other leading universities setting maximum fees. |
| The debate held by about 100 members of Oxford University's governing body was staged in the historic Sheldonian Theatre, with the closing speeches accompanied by shouts from protesters gathered outside the building. | The debate held by about 100 members of Oxford University's governing body was staged in the historic Sheldonian Theatre, with the closing speeches accompanied by shouts from protesters gathered outside the building. |
| Speeches from gown-wearing academics, below a ceiling painting depicting truth expelling ignorance, examined the financial, moral and social consequences of raising fees. | Speeches from gown-wearing academics, below a ceiling painting depicting truth expelling ignorance, examined the financial, moral and social consequences of raising fees. |
| 'Lost income' | 'Lost income' |
| There were senior university figures who argued that increasing fees to the maximum £9,000 per year was an inescapable necessity when the university faced substantial budget cuts. | There were senior university figures who argued that increasing fees to the maximum £9,000 per year was an inescapable necessity when the university faced substantial budget cuts. |
| Professor Monaco's presentation of the financial position suggested limited room for choices. | Professor Monaco's presentation of the financial position suggested limited room for choices. |
| Cuts to teaching and capital budgets meant raising fees to £8,000 to replace lost income, he said. | Cuts to teaching and capital budgets meant raising fees to £8,000 to replace lost income, he said. |
| If there were ambitions to offer fee waivers for poorer students, raising fees to £9,000 would provide a further £14m per year for the university. | If there were ambitions to offer fee waivers for poorer students, raising fees to £9,000 would provide a further £14m per year for the university. |
| Bursar Roger Boden then suggested that even this increase would not be enough to cover the university's funding shortfall. | Bursar Roger Boden then suggested that even this increase would not be enough to cover the university's funding shortfall. |
| Paul Madden, provost of Queen's College, outlined how funds could be used for fee waivers. He suggested a £3,000 fee waiver for the least well-off students. | Paul Madden, provost of Queen's College, outlined how funds could be used for fee waivers. He suggested a £3,000 fee waiver for the least well-off students. |
| With concerns about pressures on middle-income families, Professor Madden said another approach could be to spread a lower level of support among a wider number of families. | With concerns about pressures on middle-income families, Professor Madden said another approach could be to spread a lower level of support among a wider number of families. |
| 'Overwhelmed by debt' | 'Overwhelmed by debt' |
| But there were strong arguments from academics and students against raising fees. | But there were strong arguments from academics and students against raising fees. |
| Hannah Cusworth, from Brasenose College and a student union representative, told the university congregation that she was able to study at Oxford because of financial assistance. | Hannah Cusworth, from Brasenose College and a student union representative, told the university congregation that she was able to study at Oxford because of financial assistance. |
| She warned that talented young people would turn away from even considering going to university because of fears of being "overwhelmed by debt". | She warned that talented young people would turn away from even considering going to university because of fears of being "overwhelmed by debt". |
| She said there would be families in which parents would reject the chance of going to Oxford, saying: "You're getting into more debt than I earn in two years. It's not worth it." | She said there would be families in which parents would reject the chance of going to Oxford, saying: "You're getting into more debt than I earn in two years. It's not worth it." |
| David Barclay, president of the Oxford University Student Union, argued the whole debate needed to be reconsidered - and to reject the "miserly voice" which accepted the downward spiral of budget cuts and higher fees. | David Barclay, president of the Oxford University Student Union, argued the whole debate needed to be reconsidered - and to reject the "miserly voice" which accepted the downward spiral of budget cuts and higher fees. |
| A series of academics also argued that there was a lack of courage within universities about defending the values of learning and pursuing knowledge. | A series of academics also argued that there was a lack of courage within universities about defending the values of learning and pursuing knowledge. |
| David Norbrook, from the English faculty at Merton College, said universities should "stop apologising" for themselves. | David Norbrook, from the English faculty at Merton College, said universities should "stop apologising" for themselves. |
| Robin Briggs, from All Souls College, attacked the "preposterous nonsense" and the "intellectually vacuous" ideas underpinning changes to higher education funding. | Robin Briggs, from All Souls College, attacked the "preposterous nonsense" and the "intellectually vacuous" ideas underpinning changes to higher education funding. |
| Patrick McGuinness, from St Anne's College, denounced the "crass and materialistic values" driving the funding cuts and challenged university leaders to reject the small-minded mentality of "tick-box English". | Patrick McGuinness, from St Anne's College, denounced the "crass and materialistic values" driving the funding cuts and challenged university leaders to reject the small-minded mentality of "tick-box English". |
| Although there were few voices showing enthusiasm for raising fees, the debate outlined what will have to be considered in the final decision making process in the next few weeks. | Although there were few voices showing enthusiasm for raising fees, the debate outlined what will have to be considered in the final decision making process in the next few weeks. |
| And this will include the university's argument that fees of at least £8,000 will be needed to break even and raising funds for fee waivers would push this figure up to the maximum. | And this will include the university's argument that fees of at least £8,000 will be needed to break even and raising funds for fee waivers would push this figure up to the maximum. |
| Such arguments did not impress peaceful protesters gathered outside the congregation meeting. They called for a strike against the budget cuts and fee increase and offered flowers to academics leaving the meeting. | Such arguments did not impress peaceful protesters gathered outside the congregation meeting. They called for a strike against the budget cuts and fee increase and offered flowers to academics leaving the meeting. |
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| Oxford and Cambridge are uniquely qualified to ask for a raise in the fees. Unlike other universities where pupils are taught in lectures and classes with a ratio of anywhere from 25-200 pupils per lecturer, Oxbridge utilises the tutorial system where students are taught at a ratio of 1-2 students to tutor whenever possible. As such the costs are necessarily much higher.- current oxbridge | |
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| I believe it is fair to ask students to pay for their own education however this should include ALL students past and present in the form of a Graduate Tax. Then, at least, those responsible for the legislation who already have their degree and are part of the generation largely responsible for the country's enormous debts can contribute in the same way as the current students. | I believe it is fair to ask students to pay for their own education however this should include ALL students past and present in the form of a Graduate Tax. Then, at least, those responsible for the legislation who already have their degree and are part of the generation largely responsible for the country's enormous debts can contribute in the same way as the current students. |
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| The raise in fees is going to force many students to reconsider their chosen field of study, leading more students to study degrees in fields which will provide higher paid careers. Universities are supporting this and undermining the knowledge base of the country by becoming subserviant to the needs of an economy. | The raise in fees is going to force many students to reconsider their chosen field of study, leading more students to study degrees in fields which will provide higher paid careers. Universities are supporting this and undermining the knowledge base of the country by becoming subserviant to the needs of an economy. |
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| Oh come on everyone. We have a Tory run government, what on earth were you expecting? | Oh come on everyone. We have a Tory run government, what on earth were you expecting? |
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