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Pension strikes could costs jobs, say ministers War of words over claim strikes 'could cost jobs'
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Public sector strikes next week could cost the UK £500m and lead to job losses, say ministers - as unions accuse them of "fantasy economics". Ministers have clashed with union chiefs over claims next week's public sector strikes could cost the UK £500m and lead to job losses.
The Treasury made the estimate based on lower public sector output and knock-on effect on the private sector, including closed schools. Downing Street has stood by the claim, saying it is a "fact" that closed schools will stop many parents going to work, which has an impact on "output".
The PM's spokesman said there was "no question" large-scale strikes over pension changes would hit the economy. But unions have accused them of scaremongering and "fantasy economics".
More than two million workers are expected to join action on 30 November. More than two million workers are expected to join action on 30 November over changes to public sector pensions.
There has been deadlock between the government and unions over pension changes, despite months of negotiations. Economic impact
Classrooms closed
Unions say their members will be left worse off by proposals which will require them to work longer before collecting their pension and having to contribute more - but the government says change is needed, to keep down the cost to the taxpayer as people are living longer.Unions say their members will be left worse off by proposals which will require them to work longer before collecting their pension and having to contribute more - but the government says change is needed, to keep down the cost to the taxpayer as people are living longer.
The BBC has learned that civil servants from across Whitehall are being lined up to fill in for border staff at UK ports and airports on the day, amid fears of major disruption for travellers. The Treasury made the £500m estimate based on lower public sector output and the knock-on effect on the private sector.
On Wednesday the prime minister urged employers to allow their staff to bring their children to work, if it is safe to do so, if their schools are closed. Cabinet Office Minister Francis Maude said at a briefing on Thursday: "If you lose a big chunk of output, it's hard to see how that doesn't translate into lost jobs."
At a briefing on Thursday, ministers said they expect two thirds of schools to close, and although clinical and medical staff in hospitals will work - the British Medical Association and Royal College of Nursing are not taking industrial action - some staff in hospitals will be on strike which would cause some delays. However ministers could not put a figure on how many jobs could be lost and conceded that the economic impact would be no greater than that of a one-day holiday for the Queen's birthday, or a day lost to heavy snow.
But they said they would not be calling on the Army to step in and were not expecting emergency services to be hit. Chief Secretary to the Treasury Danny Alexander said the £500m figure was a "reasonably worst case scenario" - based on the impact of all members of the unions who balloted over the strike not turning up to work.
Chief Secretary to the Treasury Danny Alexander said the £500m figure was a "reasonably worst case scenario" - based on the impact of all members of the unions who balloted over the strike not turning up to work. It took into account the knock-on effect on the private sector, such as parents who had to find childcare. It took into account the knock-on effect on the private sector, such as parents who could not go to work because their children's schools were closed.
Deal 'within grasp'Deal 'within grasp'
He described it as a "self inflicted wound to the British economy" adding: "That is a loss we can ill afford at what is a very very difficult time for our economy overall." "That is a loss we can ill afford at what is a very very difficult time for our economy overall."
He urged union members to look at the deal the government is offering to see how their pensions would be affected - and said he believed a resolution that would be a good deal to both public sector workers and the taxpayer was "within our grasp".He urged union members to look at the deal the government is offering to see how their pensions would be affected - and said he believed a resolution that would be a good deal to both public sector workers and the taxpayer was "within our grasp".
BBC News Channel chief political correspondent Norman Smith said ministers admitted they could not say how many jobs could be lost.
But Cabinet Office Minister Francis Maude said: "If you lose a big chunk of output, it's hard to see how that doesn't translate into lost jobs."
The prime minister's official spokesman said: "There is no question the strikes will have an impact. It is not costless, if lots of people can't go to work because they have to look after kids, that has an impact on output. That is a fact."The prime minister's official spokesman said: "There is no question the strikes will have an impact. It is not costless, if lots of people can't go to work because they have to look after kids, that has an impact on output. That is a fact."
But the figures were immediately questioned by TUC general secretary Brendan Barber: "While the strike on November 30 will obviously cause disruption, the figures suggested by ministers are fantasy economics.But the figures were immediately questioned by TUC general secretary Brendan Barber: "While the strike on November 30 will obviously cause disruption, the figures suggested by ministers are fantasy economics.
"This is the clearest sign yet that next week's autumn statement will be a damp squib and the government is using the strike as yet another desperate excuse. "This is the clearest sign yet that next week's autumn statement will be a damp squib and the government is using the strike as yet another desperate excuse."
"Blaming the weather, the royal wedding and now scapegoating hard-working teachers, nurses and dinner ladies for the UK's economic woes is pretty poor from a government that has presided over record unemployment and the weakest economic recovery for a century." Mark Serwotka, general secretary of the Public and Commercial Services Union, told the BBC: "They should settle the dispute, not go round with scare stories about financial calculations that they really should have thought of a long time ago."
Airport queues
And Gail Cartmail, assistant general secretary of Unite, accused the government of "plucking figures out of the air to justify its refusal to negotiate constructively with the unions".
The BBC reported on Wednesday that civil servants from across Whitehall were being lined up to fill in for border staff at UK ports and airports on the day, amid fears of major disruption for travellers.
But on a visit to a Toyota car plant in Derbyshire, Prime Minister David Cameron said the government would "do what we can" to ensure airports remained open and "border queues are not intolerable".
But he said: "Everyone should be clear there is going to be disruption and the reason for that disruption, the responsibility for that disruption, lies squarely with the trade union leaders who've decided on a strike even while negotiations are on-going.
"I think that is irresponsible, I think it is wrong and people should know who to blame."
Ministers say they expect two thirds of schools to close, and although clinical and medical staff in hospitals will work - the British Medical Association and Royal College of Nursing are not taking industrial action - some staff in hospitals will be on strike which would cause some delays.
But they said they would not be calling on the Army to step in and were not expecting emergency services to be hit.
Earlier this month the government came forward with a revised pensions offer - which would guarantee no-one within 10 years of retirement would have to work longer or see their pension income fall and includes the promise of more generous rates of accrual - the rate at which the value of a pension builds up.Earlier this month the government came forward with a revised pensions offer - which would guarantee no-one within 10 years of retirement would have to work longer or see their pension income fall and includes the promise of more generous rates of accrual - the rate at which the value of a pension builds up.
On Thursday Mr Alexander said there was "no more money on the table" to settle the dispute and the government had made a "very good offer". There have been suggestions that revised offer could be withdrawn altogether if no deal is agreed by the end of the year.On Thursday Mr Alexander said there was "no more money on the table" to settle the dispute and the government had made a "very good offer". There have been suggestions that revised offer could be withdrawn altogether if no deal is agreed by the end of the year.
Mark Serwotka, head of the Public and Commercial Services Union told the BBC the changes were unfair, the government was making "false" claims about public sector pensions and their plans would force people to "work longer, pay more and get less".
"They could stop this strike even now, instead of scratching around trying to put untrained people on the front line, they should say today they want urgent talks to try and resolve the dispute."