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Leveson Inquiry: 'Fake sheikh' was 'unaware of hacking' Leveson Inquiry: 'Fake sheikh' was 'unaware of hacking'
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Former News of the World investigations editor Mazher Mahmood has said he was not aware of any phonehacking at the paper until the arrest of a journalist.Former News of the World investigations editor Mazher Mahmood has said he was not aware of any phonehacking at the paper until the arrest of a journalist.
Mr Mahmood said "all the fingers were pointing towards the newsdesk" after the NoW's former royal editor Clive Goodman was arrested in 2006.Mr Mahmood said "all the fingers were pointing towards the newsdesk" after the NoW's former royal editor Clive Goodman was arrested in 2006.
Mr Mahmood was giving evidence to the Leveson Inquiry into media ethics and standards. Former chief reporter Neville Thurlbeck also appeared at the Leveson Inquiry into media ethics and standards.
The NoW's former chief reporter Neville Thurlbeck is now appearing. He defended some of his stories, saying they were in the public interest.
Mr Mahmood, who now works for the Sunday Times, is known for his "fake sheikh" disguise while reporting undercover and gave evidence off-camera to protect his identity as an undercover reporter.Mr Mahmood, who now works for the Sunday Times, is known for his "fake sheikh" disguise while reporting undercover and gave evidence off-camera to protect his identity as an undercover reporter.
He was behind the NoW story that resulted in three Pakistan Test cricketers and a corrupt sports agent being jailed in November for spot-fixing.He was behind the NoW story that resulted in three Pakistan Test cricketers and a corrupt sports agent being jailed in November for spot-fixing.
Giving evidence at the inquiry, Mr Mahmood said his work had led to more than 260 "successful criminal prosecutions".Giving evidence at the inquiry, Mr Mahmood said his work had led to more than 260 "successful criminal prosecutions".
Describing the process of getting his undercover investigations commissioned at the Sunday Times and the News of the World, Mr Mahmood said there was a "regulated" process at both papers.Describing the process of getting his undercover investigations commissioned at the Sunday Times and the News of the World, Mr Mahmood said there was a "regulated" process at both papers.
'Talk of office''Talk of office'
In essence "they had to fulfil the same criteria" - making sure the source was credible, ensuring the story was in the public interest, and that subterfuge was justified.In essence "they had to fulfil the same criteria" - making sure the source was credible, ensuring the story was in the public interest, and that subterfuge was justified.
But Mr Mahmood said that at the Sunday Times the process was "a lot more stringent and more formalised".But Mr Mahmood said that at the Sunday Times the process was "a lot more stringent and more formalised".
He said there would be three main reasons that would justify doing a story - "if criminality was a factor, there was moral wrongdoing, or hypocrisy", but each case was accessed on its own merit. He said there would be three main reasons that would justify doing a story - "if criminality was a factor, there was moral wrongdoing, or hypocrisy", but each case was assessed on its own merit.
The journalist said he had written about 500 stories for the News of the World and "a small fraction" involved celebrities, but they "never entrapped people".The journalist said he had written about 500 stories for the News of the World and "a small fraction" involved celebrities, but they "never entrapped people".
Mr Mahmood said he had never paid or commissioned a private investigator, although Derek Webb - who has carried out surveillance work for the News of the World - had been assigned to some of his stories by the newsdesk.Mr Mahmood said he had never paid or commissioned a private investigator, although Derek Webb - who has carried out surveillance work for the News of the World - had been assigned to some of his stories by the newsdesk.
The first time Mr Mahmood was aware of phone hacking at the News of the World was after the arrest of Clive Goodman, he said.The first time Mr Mahmood was aware of phone hacking at the News of the World was after the arrest of Clive Goodman, he said.
He went on to say it had then become the talk of the office, and "all the fingers were pointing towards the newsdesk".He went on to say it had then become the talk of the office, and "all the fingers were pointing towards the newsdesk".
Mr Mahmood told the inquiry he was "proud" that he had jailed paedophiles and drug dealers.Mr Mahmood told the inquiry he was "proud" that he had jailed paedophiles and drug dealers.
"We risk our lives on a daily basis .. I live under a constant death threat. That's what motivates me.""We risk our lives on a daily basis .. I live under a constant death threat. That's what motivates me."
He said on one occasion he had purchased child pornography, that had led to a conviction and it was "ethical".He said on one occasion he had purchased child pornography, that had led to a conviction and it was "ethical".
He added that he took the Press Complaints Commission "very seriously" and no PCC complaint had been upheld against him in the last 20 years.He added that he took the Press Complaints Commission "very seriously" and no PCC complaint had been upheld against him in the last 20 years.
Phone hackingPhone hacking
Mr Thurlbeck, who is now giving evidence, was sacked by News International after being arrested on suspicion of hacking phones while at the paper, something he denies. He is currently on police bail Mr Thurlbeck was sacked by News International after being arrested on suspicion of hacking phones while at the paper, something he denies. He is currently on police bail.
Lord Leveson said no questions on phone hacking would be asked: "I am determined not to prejudice any criminal inquiry," he said.Lord Leveson said no questions on phone hacking would be asked: "I am determined not to prejudice any criminal inquiry," he said.
Talking about "kiss and tell" stories, Mr Thurlbeck said a person selling a front page story would normally get £15,000. But he said journalists have to go to enormous lengths to satisfy lawyers that stories are true and for every kiss and tell story that makes the paper, 10 do not.Talking about "kiss and tell" stories, Mr Thurlbeck said a person selling a front page story would normally get £15,000. But he said journalists have to go to enormous lengths to satisfy lawyers that stories are true and for every kiss and tell story that makes the paper, 10 do not.
He said he had lengthy conversations with the paper's former editor Colin Myler about whether stories were in the public interest, and that Mr Myler was "fastidious".He said he had lengthy conversations with the paper's former editor Colin Myler about whether stories were in the public interest, and that Mr Myler was "fastidious".
He said when the paper wrote about footballer David Beckham's alleged extramarital affair, it was decided there was huge public interest because "the Beckhams had been using their marriage to endorse products".He said when the paper wrote about footballer David Beckham's alleged extramarital affair, it was decided there was huge public interest because "the Beckhams had been using their marriage to endorse products".
He had spent five months working on the story - including six weeks in Australia, and five or six weeks in Spain - he said.He had spent five months working on the story - including six weeks in Australia, and five or six weeks in Spain - he said.
Asked by Justice Leveson about how much Mr Beckham's former personal assistant Rebecca Loos was paid for the story, he said "a six figure sum. Just".Asked by Justice Leveson about how much Mr Beckham's former personal assistant Rebecca Loos was paid for the story, he said "a six figure sum. Just".
Talking about a News of the World article which falsely said an orgy ex-motorsport head Max Mosley went to was Nazi-themed, Mr Thurlbeck said it was the supposed Nazi connotations which initially persuaded the paper it was in the public interest.
He denied that he ever encouraged the girls to goad Mosley into performing a Nazi salute for the hidden camera.
He also said he had nothing to do with the decision to upload the video to the website, saying that was the editor's decision.
Mr Mosley won £60,000 in damages from the News of the World in 2008 after a judge ruled that its story alleging he had a "sick Nazi orgy" had invaded his right to privacy.
Mr Thurlbeck has been in the spotlight since details emerged of a June 2005 email headed "for Neville".Mr Thurlbeck has been in the spotlight since details emerged of a June 2005 email headed "for Neville".
The email, which surfaced in April 2008, contained transcripts of illegally intercepted voicemail messages.The email, which surfaced in April 2008, contained transcripts of illegally intercepted voicemail messages.
It appeared to contradict News International's previous stance that phone hacking at the News of the World was confined to a single "rogue reporter" - Mr Goodman.It appeared to contradict News International's previous stance that phone hacking at the News of the World was confined to a single "rogue reporter" - Mr Goodman.
Mr Thurlbeck has insisted he played "no part" in the matter that led to his dismissal and has lodged employment tribunal papers against News International.Mr Thurlbeck has insisted he played "no part" in the matter that led to his dismissal and has lodged employment tribunal papers against News International.
Also giving evidence on Monday, at the Royal Courts of Justice in London, will be Neil Wallis, the News of the World's former executive editor. He was arrested in July by the Metropolitan Police's phone-hacking investigation team, known as Operation Weeting.Also giving evidence on Monday, at the Royal Courts of Justice in London, will be Neil Wallis, the News of the World's former executive editor. He was arrested in July by the Metropolitan Police's phone-hacking investigation team, known as Operation Weeting.
It later emerged that Mr Wallis had been paid £24,000 by Scotland Yard to work as a two-day-a-month public relations consultant. His contract was cancelled less than six months before Operation Weeting launched.It later emerged that Mr Wallis had been paid £24,000 by Scotland Yard to work as a two-day-a-month public relations consultant. His contract was cancelled less than six months before Operation Weeting launched.
Both Mr Wallis, who also denies any wrongdoing, and Mr Thurlbeck are currently on police bail and neither man has been charged.Both Mr Wallis, who also denies any wrongdoing, and Mr Thurlbeck are currently on police bail and neither man has been charged.
Lord Justice Leveson's inquiry is looking at the "culture, practices and ethics of the media", and whether self-regulation works.Lord Justice Leveson's inquiry is looking at the "culture, practices and ethics of the media", and whether self-regulation works.
It was set up in the wake of the closure of the News of the World in July, after it had emerged that the phone of murdered schoolgirl Milly Dowler had been hacked by the paper while she was still missing.It was set up in the wake of the closure of the News of the World in July, after it had emerged that the phone of murdered schoolgirl Milly Dowler had been hacked by the paper while she was still missing.
A second phase of the inquiry will commence after the conclusion of a police investigation into News of the World phone hacking and any resultant prosecutions. It will examine the extent of unlawful conduct by the press and look at the police's initial hacking investigation.A second phase of the inquiry will commence after the conclusion of a police investigation into News of the World phone hacking and any resultant prosecutions. It will examine the extent of unlawful conduct by the press and look at the police's initial hacking investigation.