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Leveson inquiry: John Yates, Andy Hayman, Peter Clarke - live Leveson inquiry: John Yates, Andy Hayman, Peter Clarke - live
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3.31pm: Hayman was in charge of Operation Caryatid, the Met's 2006 phone-hacking investigation, but was not involved on a day-to-day basis. 4.17pm: Hayman says the number of police involved in counter-terrorism was unprecedented.
Without wishing to sound alarmist, the pot was actually running dry, so we had nowhere really to go. Within the Met that was exactly the same … that would have a massive attack on the counter-terrorism.
He added that the assistant commissioner couldn't just have ordered them to ramp things up as the parameters had been formally set down already.
"If there was an agenda from me or any other person to dilute or disproportionately ramp up that investigation without the SIO calling foul," he adds.
4.14pm: Hayman makes the same point as Clarke and Yates about the failure to investigate phone hacking in 2006 – the force was already fully stretched on anti-terrorism.
I feel terrible for victims of phone hacking – it must be awful, but at the same time I'd rather be facing questions about that than more loss of life.
4.12pm: Tony Blair is reportedly appearing at Leveson next week. Andy Davies of Channel 4 tweets:
Next week Leveson: ex Met Commissioners Sir Paul Stephenson (Mon) Lord Stevens, Lord Condon (Tues) and Lord Blair (Weds)
— Andy Davies (@adavies4) March 1, 2012
4.10pm: Hayman allocated the phone-hacking investigation to Clarke.
He said he would only be briefed in exceptional circumstances. He says by way of example that it was "significant" that he didn't know when the arrests were going to be made, or search warrants were issued.
4.08pm: Six weeks after the airline plot, all of Hayman's focus was on terrorism.
"As far as I was concerned it was light of touch and I left it to them," he says of Operation Catyatid.
4.07pm: Hayman is asked how regular his contact was with his deputy Peter Clarke, the head of the anti-terrorism unit during the 2006 Operation Caryatid investigation into phone hacking.
He says he the number of times he talked to Clarke about Caryatid was "on one hand".
He says micro-management of day-to-day detail would have been counterproductive and he needed to let people get on with their jobs.
4.04pm: Hayman is asked about his appointment as a columnist on the the Times.
Leveson asks: "Do you think it creates or runs the risk of creating a perception of a relationship which goes beyond that which is appropriate?"
Hayman says "with hindsight" he can see Leveson's point.
He said at the time a counterterrorism strategy had to be "hand in glove" with a media strategy.
Hayman was paid £10,000 a year for his column. He said at the time he was on transition to retirement.
4.00pm: Jay is now citing a dinner at Oriel restaurant later that day, Just before 10pm, the records show Hayman spent £47 on a bottle of champagne on his Amex card.
Jay says: "When asked about it you stated that you recall that this was a Crime Reporters' Association representative, possibly from the News of the World. It could have been a female whose name you did not know."
Asked whether this might "have been Lucy Panton or possibly Rebekah [the woman who took over from Panton]", Hayman says he can't recall.
Jays suggests that this champagne incident was evidence that the police had gone "too far" with socialising.
3.53pm: Jay says Hayman's expenses claims were investigated.
He cites an expense claim in February 2007 – "Shepherd's restaurant, lunch for nine". It was paid for by American Express and cost £566, of which £188.50 was spent on alcohol.
Hayman says he took his top team out; the people who would normally have gone on awaydays.
They had sacrificed holidays since 2005 and "really worked their socks off"; he paid for the meal as a Met gesture to their families and to mark a colleague's promotion.
3.50pm: On 19 March 2007, Hayman had lunch at Santini's with Panton and Wallis.
Hayman remembers the lunch, but can't remember the purpose of it. He says it would not have been any different to any other meetings – the "ongoing support that paper was giving to anti-terror".
Jay says it is not in the register, but that lunch was paid for on his Met credit card.
Hayman says he can't remember paying for it, but he wouldn't dispute any record that is there.
3.47pm: The Daily Telegraph reports that Downing Street has admitted that David Cameron could have ridden on Rebekah Brooks's ex-police horse:
An aide close to the Prime Minister confirmed for the first time that Mr Cameron had gone riding with Mrs Brooks' husband Charlie, a racehorse trainer and an old friend from his Eton schooldays.
The source said that it was "possible" that one of the horses could have been Raisa, because Mr Brooks had lent a number of horses to Mr Cameron over the years. The aide said: "It is possible. He used a number of Charlie's horses."
Mr Cameron had no recollection of ever going riding with Mrs Brooks, however. The aide added: "He never rode with Rebekah Brooks. He has no recollection of ever going riding with Rebekah Brooks."

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3.45pm: On 25 April 2006, Yates had dinner at Soho House with NoW editor Andy Coulson and deputy editor Neil Wallis.
They would not have been people with whom who he would have been in daily contact and it would have been arranged by the Met's head of public affairs, Dick Fedorocio, Hayman says.
He says he hadn't met them before; Fedorocio also attended.
3.43pm: Jay now raises another meeting with Panton. Hayman says he can only guess that this was a precursor before going to the News of World building to develop the conversation about terrorism campaigns further.
3.42pm: Jay moves on to the hospitality register.
It mentions a dinner with News of the World crime reporter Lucy Panton on 8 November 2005.
Hayman says this was after the terrorist attacks in London and NoW wanted to run campaigns on this; Hayman recalls giving advice.
He recalls how the NoW wanted to run an article of about this whole issue of the "unfolding threat from terrorism".
3.38pm: Hayman is being asked as implied criticism that he spent too much time with the media.
An internal memo suggests that "Perhaps Andy got carried away with the power and the prestige" of his job and may have "developed a lifestyle of later evenings" involving socialising with the press.
3.31pm: Hayman was accountable for Operation Caryatid, the Met's 2006 phone-hacking investigation, but was not involved on a day-to-day basis.
He concluded there was "benefit on both sides" for a relationship between the press and the police but the ground rules had to be established.He concluded there was "benefit on both sides" for a relationship between the press and the police but the ground rules had to be established.
I saw that at worst the media's objective [could be] to get exclusive across a line at the other side at the worst, [on] the police side might cosy up and start leaking information to the media.I saw that at worst the media's objective [could be] to get exclusive across a line at the other side at the worst, [on] the police side might cosy up and start leaking information to the media.
3.21pm: The inquiry has resumed and Andy Hayman has taken the stand. 3.21pm: The inquiry has resumed and Andy Hayman has taken the stand.
Robert Jay QC is doing the questioning.Robert Jay QC is doing the questioning.
3.10pm: In non-Leveson inquiry news, we have just been told that London Evening Standard editor Geordie Greig is to replace Peter Wright as Mail on Sunday editor. More details on MediaGuardian as we get them ...3.10pm: In non-Leveson inquiry news, we have just been told that London Evening Standard editor Geordie Greig is to replace Peter Wright as Mail on Sunday editor. More details on MediaGuardian as we get them ...
2.50pm: The inquiry has now broken for a half-hour break.2.50pm: The inquiry has now broken for a half-hour break.
2.49pm: Leveson asks if the police could not have taken a different approach and conducted a scoping exercise to review what might be needed to investigate the circumstantial evidence they had.2.49pm: Leveson asks if the police could not have taken a different approach and conducted a scoping exercise to review what might be needed to investigate the circumstantial evidence they had.
Yates says at the time there was no justification to put 40 police officers on the phone-hacking investigation for a year.Yates says at the time there was no justification to put 40 police officers on the phone-hacking investigation for a year.
He said there was "no evidence to support it as a resource decision, the public sector cuts were kicking in" and "two people had gone to prison".He said there was "no evidence to support it as a resource decision, the public sector cuts were kicking in" and "two people had gone to prison".
"It wouldn't have occured to me, I deeply regret it now, in terms of what happened," he adds."It wouldn't have occured to me, I deeply regret it now, in terms of what happened," he adds.
2.48pm: The BBC's Ross Hawkins has just tweeted:2.48pm: The BBC's Ross Hawkins has just tweeted:
Jay makes it clear Dick Fedorcio head of public affairs at Met will give evidence at #LevesonJay makes it clear Dick Fedorcio head of public affairs at Met will give evidence at #Leveson
— Ross Hawkins (@rosschawkins) March 1, 2012— Ross Hawkins (@rosschawkins) March 1, 2012
2.45pm: John Prescott has just tweeted:2.45pm: John Prescott has just tweeted:
Yates spent 1 year investigating Cash 4 Honours & found nothing. Spent 6 hours reviewing phone hacking & missed EVERYTHING #goodluckbahrainYates spent 1 year investigating Cash 4 Honours & found nothing. Spent 6 hours reviewing phone hacking & missed EVERYTHING #goodluckbahrain
— John Prescott (@johnprescott) March 1, 2012— John Prescott (@johnprescott) March 1, 2012
2.43pm: Jay says Met press chief Dick Fedorcio has submitted a statement saying that he was aware Yates and Wallis knew each other through work, but didn't know they had significant contact outside work.2.43pm: Jay says Met press chief Dick Fedorcio has submitted a statement saying that he was aware Yates and Wallis knew each other through work, but didn't know they had significant contact outside work.
Asked if Fedorcio knew about the dinners with Wallis, Yates says: "I imagine so," adding the dinners were not secret as he recorded them in his work diary even though they were private arrangements.Asked if Fedorcio knew about the dinners with Wallis, Yates says: "I imagine so," adding the dinners were not secret as he recorded them in his work diary even though they were private arrangements.
2.39pm: Yates denies that he was unduly influenced by his friendship with Wallis or his contacts with News International.2.39pm: Yates denies that he was unduly influenced by his friendship with Wallis or his contacts with News International.
I absolutely know and I guarantee that none of that played any part in my decision making. My conscience is completely clear on that.I absolutely know and I guarantee that none of that played any part in my decision making. My conscience is completely clear on that.
2.37pm: Neil Wallis's daughter who secured a job in the Met.2.37pm: Neil Wallis's daughter who secured a job in the Met.
Jay says: "The Amy Wallis matter which was referred to the IPCC was a misconduct referral to the MPA by the deputy commissioner on behalf of the commissioner."Jay says: "The Amy Wallis matter which was referred to the IPCC was a misconduct referral to the MPA by the deputy commissioner on behalf of the commissioner."
Yates protests he wasn't interviewed about the issue and they didn't consider "the salient facts".Yates protests he wasn't interviewed about the issue and they didn't consider "the salient facts".
"They had a range of facts which they could have considered which they declined to do so.""They had a range of facts which they could have considered which they declined to do so."
2.35pm: Yates says he was himself a victim of phone hacking.2.35pm: Yates says he was himself a victim of phone hacking.
Jay asks what evidence he has.Jay asks what evidence he has.
Yates says he was abroad at particularly difficult meetings at the Met and every time messages were left on the phone he couldn't access it and had to reset his pin number.Yates says he was abroad at particularly difficult meetings at the Met and every time messages were left on the phone he couldn't access it and had to reset his pin number.
"Knowing the modus operandi, I was 99.9% that my phone was being hacked," says Yates."Knowing the modus operandi, I was 99.9% that my phone was being hacked," says Yates.
Jay puts it to Yates that "you are now applying different evidential standards to yourself".Jay puts it to Yates that "you are now applying different evidential standards to yourself".
2.32pm: The inquiry hears that Andy Coulson, who had resigned as News of the World editor in January 2007 and was working as an adviser to the Conservative party, was told about the hacking in July 2009 "as a victim".2.32pm: The inquiry hears that Andy Coulson, who had resigned as News of the World editor in January 2007 and was working as an adviser to the Conservative party, was told about the hacking in July 2009 "as a victim".
An internal police memo noted:An internal police memo noted:
DCS [Phil] Williams update from 10 July 2009 PW informed Andy Coulson on these issues. He took it well..DCS [Phil] Williams update from 10 July 2009 PW informed Andy Coulson on these issues. He took it well..
Yates says "the focus of the article was very much inferenced around him so as he was a victim and we knew he was a victim".Yates says "the focus of the article was very much inferenced around him so as he was a victim and we knew he was a victim".
Jay corrects this: "The article was suggesting that he might be one of the conspirators, not that he was a victim."Jay corrects this: "The article was suggesting that he might be one of the conspirators, not that he was a victim."
2.22pm: Yates says it was pointless pursuing Mulcaire again as he has already served time for phone hacking.2.22pm: Yates says it was pointless pursuing Mulcaire again as he has already served time for phone hacking.
I took the view, rightly or wrongly, that more evidence against Mulcaire would actually take us nowhere at all. He was never going to stand trial again for phone hacking. He had been dealt with, sentenced and that process had been complete.I took the view, rightly or wrongly, that more evidence against Mulcaire would actually take us nowhere at all. He was never going to stand trial again for phone hacking. He had been dealt with, sentenced and that process had been complete.
2.21pm: Yates says he was aware of the "for Neville" email, but not the "corner names" in Mulcaire's notes. However, he saw "samples" of the notes.2.21pm: Yates says he was aware of the "for Neville" email, but not the "corner names" in Mulcaire's notes. However, he saw "samples" of the notes.
2.20pm: John Prescott has just tweeted:2.20pm: John Prescott has just tweeted:
The Guardian Live Blog on #Leveson is compelling reading. Yates' evidence is remarkable gu.com/p/35p9f/twThe Guardian Live Blog on #Leveson is compelling reading. Yates' evidence is remarkable gu.com/p/35p9f/tw
— John Prescott (@johnprescott) March 1, 2012— John Prescott (@johnprescott) March 1, 2012
2.18pm: Yates says he was "surprised" by evidence given by officers at the inquiry yesterday that there was circumstantial evidence pointing the finger at other News of the World journalist.2.18pm: Yates says he was "surprised" by evidence given by officers at the inquiry yesterday that there was circumstantial evidence pointing the finger at other News of the World journalist.
"I'm surprised it was phrased that way because it's never been phrased that way to me," he says."I'm surprised it was phrased that way because it's never been phrased that way to me," he says.
Yates says he does not think he was given any indication that there was, as Jay put it, "circumstantial inferential evidence implicating a number of other journalists".Yates says he does not think he was given any indication that there was, as Jay put it, "circumstantial inferential evidence implicating a number of other journalists".
2.15pm: Yates is asked why he decided to make what could be seen as a "precipitous" statement to the press about the Guardian article.2.15pm: Yates is asked why he decided to make what could be seen as a "precipitous" statement to the press about the Guardian article.
Jay puts it to him that his statement is "really closing the door" to further inquiries.Jay puts it to him that his statement is "really closing the door" to further inquiries.
Yates says once again the review was nothing other than a review of a newspaper article.Yates says once again the review was nothing other than a review of a newspaper article.
"Is there anything new in the Guardian ... the answer there wasn't. I opened the door to one review – the victim strategy and if further evidence came to light we will consider it," he says."Is there anything new in the Guardian ... the answer there wasn't. I opened the door to one review – the victim strategy and if further evidence came to light we will consider it," he says.
Jay interupts: "Where does it say that in this statement 'if further evidence comes to light we will consider it'?"Jay interupts: "Where does it say that in this statement 'if further evidence comes to light we will consider it'?"
Yates concedes "it isn't in this statement" but says it is in every other public comment he has made.Yates concedes "it isn't in this statement" but says it is in every other public comment he has made.
Jay accuses Yates of taking just six hours to close the door on further inquiries, something Yates rejects.Jay accuses Yates of taking just six hours to close the door on further inquiries, something Yates rejects.
2.14pm: John Prescott has just tweeted:2.14pm: John Prescott has just tweeted:
I only discovered I was targeted by NOTW after contacing Met's Legal Services Directorate - more than 5 months after repeatedly asking YatesI only discovered I was targeted by NOTW after contacing Met's Legal Services Directorate - more than 5 months after repeatedly asking Yates
— John Prescott (@johnprescott) March 1, 2012— John Prescott (@johnprescott) March 1, 2012
andand
Yates reviewed the phone hacking case in less than 6 hours. Rang me saying couldn't find evidence & was going straight to a press conferenceYates reviewed the phone hacking case in less than 6 hours. Rang me saying couldn't find evidence & was going straight to a press conference
— John Prescott (@johnprescott) March 1, 2012— John Prescott (@johnprescott) March 1, 2012
andand
I told Yates in the call to write to me. He never did so I had to start writing to him. Kept saying he couldn't find evidenceI told Yates in the call to write to me. He never did so I had to start writing to him. Kept saying he couldn't find evidence
— John Prescott (@johnprescott) March 1, 2012— John Prescott (@johnprescott) March 1, 2012
2.06pm: The inquiry is now discussing minutes of the police "gold group" on 9 July 2009, gathered to discuss the phone hacking revelations.2.06pm: The inquiry is now discussing minutes of the police "gold group" on 9 July 2009, gathered to discuss the phone hacking revelations.
Yates says the minutes were merely a summary of the points raised; it was not a full forensic note.Yates says the minutes were merely a summary of the points raised; it was not a full forensic note.
He says he was certainly aware that three high-profile people had been approached about supporting the prosecution of Clive Goodman and Mulcaire.He says he was certainly aware that three high-profile people had been approached about supporting the prosecution of Clive Goodman and Mulcaire.
1.56pm: Lord Justice Leveson says he is disturbed that Yates did not know about the hacking of John Prescott.1.56pm: Lord Justice Leveson says he is disturbed that Yates did not know about the hacking of John Prescott.
Yates says there was an "indexing issue" with connecting Prescott to evidence about his adviser.Yates says there was an "indexing issue" with connecting Prescott to evidence about his adviser.
Leveson points out: "You ought to know that the investigating detective who interviewed Glenn Mulcaire within a day of his arrest made the link and asked Glenn Mulcaire about that person."Leveson points out: "You ought to know that the investigating detective who interviewed Glenn Mulcaire within a day of his arrest made the link and asked Glenn Mulcaire about that person."
Yates says he checked that with senior investigating officer Phil Williams, but he was not aware of that. "I'm only as good as my briefing," he adds.Yates says he checked that with senior investigating officer Phil Williams, but he was not aware of that. "I'm only as good as my briefing," he adds.
Leveson says he is concerned over "the extent to which some of these issues were glossed over or taken seriously, and I say that because what you've just said has caused me real surprise".Leveson says he is concerned over "the extent to which some of these issues were glossed over or taken seriously, and I say that because what you've just said has caused me real surprise".
"I am disturbed that your persistent requests didn't reveal the answer," he adds."I am disturbed that your persistent requests didn't reveal the answer," he adds.
"People were bleeding over these papers for Mr Prescott for some time, but somehow this is all slipped through the cracks," he adds."People were bleeding over these papers for Mr Prescott for some time, but somehow this is all slipped through the cracks," he adds.
Yates says: "it is deeply regrettable."Yates says: "it is deeply regrettable."
1.55pm: Yates says he did not get evidence until the end of the 2010 that Lord Prescott's phone was hacked.1.55pm: Yates says he did not get evidence until the end of the 2010 that Lord Prescott's phone was hacked.
I cannot tell you the amount of times I checked and sought further and better particulars about the possibility that Mr Prescott's phone had been interfered with. It would be literally scores – over the following months, Mr Jay, there would be scores of times that, you know, because the level of concern I had about it is commensurate about the number of times I sought clarity about it, and every time, right up until, I think, the end of 2010 when there was a piece of paper that showed that he might have been involved or had some access to his sent messages, that was the first time.I cannot tell you the amount of times I checked and sought further and better particulars about the possibility that Mr Prescott's phone had been interfered with. It would be literally scores – over the following months, Mr Jay, there would be scores of times that, you know, because the level of concern I had about it is commensurate about the number of times I sought clarity about it, and every time, right up until, I think, the end of 2010 when there was a piece of paper that showed that he might have been involved or had some access to his sent messages, that was the first time.
1.50pm: Yates says invasion of privacy is a crime but "it would not be at the serious end at all":1.50pm: Yates says invasion of privacy is a crime but "it would not be at the serious end at all":
The interference with people's voicemail is serious. On a serious end – this is what I'm thinking in July 2009 and not now. It would not be at the serious end at all.The interference with people's voicemail is serious. On a serious end – this is what I'm thinking in July 2009 and not now. It would not be at the serious end at all.
One looks at the invasion of privacy uncovered by Motorman and Glade and the sentences they got there, which was conditional discharges, so I would not put it at the serious end. What we know now puts it at the very serious end, but in July 2009 it was phone hacking.One looks at the invasion of privacy uncovered by Motorman and Glade and the sentences they got there, which was conditional discharges, so I would not put it at the serious end. What we know now puts it at the very serious end, but in July 2009 it was phone hacking.
I was three months into a new job at … anti-terrorism, we were dealing with the fallout of a very difficult operation up in Manchester, which was still going, numerous other high-profile operations involving the security of the state. This did not present itself as a hugely serious thing in 2009.I was three months into a new job at … anti-terrorism, we were dealing with the fallout of a very difficult operation up in Manchester, which was still going, numerous other high-profile operations involving the security of the state. This did not present itself as a hugely serious thing in 2009.
1.48pm: Leveson says Yates is entitled to be friends with whoever he wishes, but there may have been a perception that he was an interested party because Wallis was a close friend.1.48pm: Leveson says Yates is entitled to be friends with whoever he wishes, but there may have been a perception that he was an interested party because Wallis was a close friend.
He suggests that Yates should have left it to another assistant commissioner to make the statement about the Guardian article.He suggests that Yates should have left it to another assistant commissioner to make the statement about the Guardian article.
Yates replies: "I take you point about the perception, but it didn't appear to be a problem then and it didn't appear to be a problem for others."Yates replies: "I take you point about the perception, but it didn't appear to be a problem then and it didn't appear to be a problem for others."
1.44pm: Jay asks why didn't it cross Yates's mind that his friendship with Wallis might give rise to the perception that he would not be impartial in his dealings with the News of the World. Didn't any "alarm bells" ring?1.44pm: Jay asks why didn't it cross Yates's mind that his friendship with Wallis might give rise to the perception that he would not be impartial in his dealings with the News of the World. Didn't any "alarm bells" ring?
Yates says:Yates says:
I was looking at this dispassionately from the evidential perspective. I have a reputation for doing difficult things.I was looking at this dispassionately from the evidential perspective. I have a reputation for doing difficult things.
1.44pm: The inquiry has now resumed.1.44pm: The inquiry has now resumed.
They are still discussing the Guardian's 2009 revelations that phone hacking was widespread at the News of the World.They are still discussing the Guardian's 2009 revelations that phone hacking was widespread at the News of the World.
1.39pm: We understand that the 32-year-old woman arrested by the Met's Operation Elveden is Virgina Wheeler, the defence editor of the Sun.1.39pm: We understand that the 32-year-old woman arrested by the Met's Operation Elveden is Virgina Wheeler, the defence editor of the Sun.
1.36pm: The inquiry is now taking a short break.1.36pm: The inquiry is now taking a short break.
1.33pm: Yates says Jay is inferring more significance to the day's events than warranted.1.33pm: Yates says Jay is inferring more significance to the day's events than warranted.
"It was an article in a newspaper, it wasn't a formal review," he says."It was an article in a newspaper, it wasn't a formal review," he says.
1.32pm: This is Yates's statement from 9 July 2009:1.32pm: This is Yates's statement from 9 July 2009:
Where there was clear evidence that people had been the subject of tapping, they were all contacted by the police.
This case has been the subject of the most careful investigation by very experienced detectives … no additional evidence has come to light since this case has concluded.
I therefore consider that no further investigation is required.		Where there was clear evidence that people had been the subject of tapping, they were all contacted by the police.
This case has been the subject of the most careful investigation by very experienced detectives … no additional evidence has come to light since this case has concluded.
I therefore consider that no further investigation is required.
1.30pm: Jay asks about how the police responded to the Guardian article of 9 July 2009 showing that the publisher of the News of the World had paid out more than £1m to settle phone-hacking cases.1.30pm: Jay asks about how the police responded to the Guardian article of 9 July 2009 showing that the publisher of the News of the World had paid out more than £1m to settle phone-hacking cases.
Yates said he started considering the article about 7am.Yates said he started considering the article about 7am.
Later that day, at about 11am, he was asked by Met commissioner Sir Paul Stephenson to establish the facts of the matter.Later that day, at about 11am, he was asked by Met commissioner Sir Paul Stephenson to establish the facts of the matter.
There was a formal meeting at 11am but there had been several meetings before this with Keith Surtees and others who had worked on the initial inquiry.There was a formal meeting at 11am but there had been several meetings before this with Keith Surtees and others who had worked on the initial inquiry.
1.25pm: Jay says the leading counsel's note postdates Yates's press statement following the Guardian revelations in 2009 that phone hacking was widespread.1.25pm: Jay says the leading counsel's note postdates Yates's press statement following the Guardian revelations in 2009 that phone hacking was widespread.
1.24pm: Yates says a note in the review of the phone hacking investigation in July 2009, says that leading counsel had told him there was no evidence that others at the News of the World apart from Goodman were involved in phone hacking.1.24pm: Yates says a note in the review of the phone hacking investigation in July 2009, says that leading counsel had told him there was no evidence that others at the News of the World apart from Goodman were involved in phone hacking.
Leveson says he is not sure the memo from leading counsel means that.Leveson says he is not sure the memo from leading counsel means that.
Jay says he thinks what counsel was saying was that "in answer to your suggestion that there was no evidence (that others were involved) that they were not shown any evidence".Jay says he thinks what counsel was saying was that "in answer to your suggestion that there was no evidence (that others were involved) that they were not shown any evidence".
The memo from counsel says: "We were told there was not and we never saw such evidence."The memo from counsel says: "We were told there was not and we never saw such evidence."
Jay says the other interpretation of the memo was that one "shouldn't draw the inference from our advice in conference there was no evidence, was 'we were told there was no evidence and we never saw such evidence'".Jay says the other interpretation of the memo was that one "shouldn't draw the inference from our advice in conference there was no evidence, was 'we were told there was no evidence and we never saw such evidence'".
1.15pm: Yates is now being asked about the phone hacking inquiry in 2006.1.15pm: Yates is now being asked about the phone hacking inquiry in 2006.
He says it was clear from the solicitors' letters that were traded in August 2006 that there was "deliberate obfuscation around all these matters" by News International.He says it was clear from the solicitors' letters that were traded in August 2006 that there was "deliberate obfuscation around all these matters" by News International.
Yates was not part of the investigative team at the time.Yates was not part of the investigative team at the time.
He is asked whether he was briefed by the investigation team at the time.He is asked whether he was briefed by the investigation team at the time.
Yates says he recalls the phrase "a Mexican stand-off" at News International's Wapping HQ when the police turned up with a warrant but he says that probably would have happened at any newspaper; it would not be unusual for lawyers to try to test a warrant.Yates says he recalls the phrase "a Mexican stand-off" at News International's Wapping HQ when the police turned up with a warrant but he says that probably would have happened at any newspaper; it would not be unusual for lawyers to try to test a warrant.
1.12pm: Jay is now discussing Yates's alleged involvement in securing a job at the Met for Neil Wallis's daughter Amy.1.12pm: Jay is now discussing Yates's alleged involvement in securing a job at the Met for Neil Wallis's daughter Amy.
Yates passed on an email regarding this to the Met's HR department and Jay says this email identifies the fact that he knows the father.Yates passed on an email regarding this to the Met's HR department and Jay says this email identifies the fact that he knows the father.
The former policeman says there was nothing untoward about her appointment.The former policeman says there was nothing untoward about her appointment.
1.08pm: Jay returns to the subject of Lucy Panton, the crime editor of the News of the World, and is inquiring about an email from NoW news editor James Mellor to her.1.08pm: Jay returns to the subject of Lucy Panton, the crime editor of the News of the World, and is inquiring about an email from NoW news editor James Mellor to her.
The email says:The email says:
Think John Yates could be crucial here, have you spoken to him, really need an exclusive splash line, time to call in all those bottles of champagne.Think John Yates could be crucial here, have you spoken to him, really need an exclusive splash line, time to call in all those bottles of champagne.
Yates says it related to the weekend of 29/30 October 2010 when there had been a printer cartridge bomb found on a DHL flight.Yates says it related to the weekend of 29/30 October 2010 when there had been a printer cartridge bomb found on a DHL flight.
He says there was no favour being called in and the "champagne" reference is simply a turn of phrase.He says there was no favour being called in and the "champagne" reference is simply a turn of phrase.
Yates may once have shared a bottle of champagne with Panton, but it would have been with other people too, he explains.Yates may once have shared a bottle of champagne with Panton, but it would have been with other people too, he explains.
1.07pm: Yates is asked whether Hanning shared with him his belief that knowledge of phone hacking went up the chain at News International.1.07pm: Yates is asked whether Hanning shared with him his belief that knowledge of phone hacking went up the chain at News International.
"If the point you are getting to – did he give me any suggestion of evidence that enabled me to do anything with it – the answer is none," says Yates."If the point you are getting to – did he give me any suggestion of evidence that enabled me to do anything with it – the answer is none," says Yates.
Jay puts it to Yates that Hanning also challenged him on his meetings with Wallis.Jay puts it to Yates that Hanning also challenged him on his meetings with Wallis.
Yates says Hanning talked to him about the relationship with far more important people in the Murdoch stable than Wallis, who then didn't work for the force.Yates says Hanning talked to him about the relationship with far more important people in the Murdoch stable than Wallis, who then didn't work for the force.
1.05pm: Jay asks about meetings with Sunday Times editor John Witherow. These meetings, he points out, were entered into the register. All the meetings were "à deux" – that is, there were no others present.1.05pm: Jay asks about meetings with Sunday Times editor John Witherow. These meetings, he points out, were entered into the register. All the meetings were "à deux" – that is, there were no others present.
Yates also had meetings with James Hanning, deputy editor of the Independent on Sunday. Hanning has covered phone hacking and gave evidence to the Leveson inquiry about his meetings with the late Sean Hoare, the former News of the World journalist who blew the whistle on phone hacking.Yates also had meetings with James Hanning, deputy editor of the Independent on Sunday. Hanning has covered phone hacking and gave evidence to the Leveson inquiry about his meetings with the late Sean Hoare, the former News of the World journalist who blew the whistle on phone hacking.
Yates describes Hanning as "a very interesting interrogator".Yates describes Hanning as "a very interesting interrogator".
1.04pm: Yates says: "As far as we were aware we had Mr Goodman, a cog in a large organisation, no other evidence to suggest others' involvment." He adds that didn't justify cutting off contact with others in News International.1.04pm: Yates says: "As far as we were aware we had Mr Goodman, a cog in a large organisation, no other evidence to suggest others' involvment." He adds that didn't justify cutting off contact with others in News International.
Leveson intervenes and says he agrees. However, he adds: "That's rather different if you are then required to make judgment about the existence or otherwise of evidence, you then run the risk that you…"Leveson intervenes and says he agrees. However, he adds: "That's rather different if you are then required to make judgment about the existence or otherwise of evidence, you then run the risk that you…"
12.56pm: Jay is still going through Yates's diary and alights on what appears to be another meeting with Wallis.12.56pm: Jay is still going through Yates's diary and alights on what appears to be another meeting with Wallis.
Yates says Jay is ignoring all the other meetings with media, including the Guardian, Channel and ITN, "which was way in favour of those people instead of News International".Yates says Jay is ignoring all the other meetings with media, including the Guardian, Channel and ITN, "which was way in favour of those people instead of News International".
Leveson now intervenes and asks: "Is there is a difference between a professional meeting with the media and a relationship with somebody which might be perceived to impact on your professional judgment in circumstances yuoiu should be careful to avoid?"Leveson now intervenes and asks: "Is there is a difference between a professional meeting with the media and a relationship with somebody which might be perceived to impact on your professional judgment in circumstances yuoiu should be careful to avoid?"
Yates says he agrees and that he had to cut off contact with "a good friend" (Neil Wallis) because of the circumstances.Yates says he agrees and that he had to cut off contact with "a good friend" (Neil Wallis) because of the circumstances.
12.54pm: Jay continues to detail meetings from Yates's diary.12.54pm: Jay continues to detail meetings from Yates's diary.
• Another meeting in July with Fedorcio and Wallis – Yates says this this was probably relating to Wallis's PR firm Chamy Media.• Another meeting in July with Fedorcio and Wallis – Yates says this this was probably relating to Wallis's PR firm Chamy Media.
• A Crime Reporters Association lunch at Racine's in Knightsbridge on 9 April 2010; John Twomey (Daily Express), Lucy Panton (NoW), Justin Davenport (Evening Standard) and a press officer were present.• A Crime Reporters Association lunch at Racine's in Knightsbridge on 9 April 2010; John Twomey (Daily Express), Lucy Panton (NoW), Justin Davenport (Evening Standard) and a press officer were present.
• A private appointment with Candy at the Bar Boulud, Mandarin Oriental on 25 May 2010. Wallis was there again," says Jay. "Yes, the same four people I have probably dined with three times that year," says Yates.• A private appointment with Candy at the Bar Boulud, Mandarin Oriental on 25 May 2010. Wallis was there again," says Jay. "Yes, the same four people I have probably dined with three times that year," says Yates.
• Another meeting with Wallis on 10 June 2010. Yates says: "He was no longer working for News International. I think he was working for us then."• Another meeting with Wallis on 10 June 2010. Yates says: "He was no longer working for News International. I think he was working for us then."
12.52pm: We have just received news that a 32-year-old woman has been arrested by appointment by officers from the Met's Operation Elveden investigation into payments to the police and pubblic officials.12.52pm: We have just received news that a 32-year-old woman has been arrested by appointment by officers from the Met's Operation Elveden investigation into payments to the police and pubblic officials.
The Met has issued the following statement:The Met has issued the following statement:
Detectives from Operation Elveden have today arrested a 32-year-old woman by appointment on suspicion of corruption under the Prevention of Corruption Act 1906 and aiding and abetting misconduct in a public office (contrary to common law) and conspiracy in relation to both offences.Detectives from Operation Elveden have today arrested a 32-year-old woman by appointment on suspicion of corruption under the Prevention of Corruption Act 1906 and aiding and abetting misconduct in a public office (contrary to common law) and conspiracy in relation to both offences.
She is currently in custody at a south London police station.She is currently in custody at a south London police station.
This is the 23rd arrest as part of Operation Elveden.This is the 23rd arrest as part of Operation Elveden.
The operation is investigating suspected payments to police officers and public officials and is not about seeking journalists to reveal confidential sources in relation to information that has been obtained legitimately.The operation is investigating suspected payments to police officers and public officials and is not about seeking journalists to reveal confidential sources in relation to information that has been obtained legitimately.
12.47pm: Jay asks about a meeting with Nick Davies of the Guardian on 30 November 2009, at Scotland Yard.12.47pm: Jay asks about a meeting with Nick Davies of the Guardian on 30 November 2009, at Scotland Yard.
Jay says the diary entry says that the meeting lasted only 30 minutes.Jay says the diary entry says that the meeting lasted only 30 minutes.
Yates replies:Yates replies:
Nick was quite a challenging individual for us to deal with it. We felt there was some value in having that meeting. We had a follow-on meeting with the editor and deputy editor just trying to explain what the MPS position was around phone hacking.Nick was quite a challenging individual for us to deal with it. We felt there was some value in having that meeting. We had a follow-on meeting with the editor and deputy editor just trying to explain what the MPS position was around phone hacking.
12.45pm: Jay suggests that the Ivy Club was an expensive restaurant.12.45pm: Jay suggests that the Ivy Club was an expensive restaurant.
"All restaurants in London are expensive," Yates says."All restaurants in London are expensive," Yates says.
Jay asks whether the dinner with Wallis and Panton was appropriate.Jay asks whether the dinner with Wallis and Panton was appropriate.
Yates concedes that, with hindsight, it may not have been.Yates concedes that, with hindsight, it may not have been.
12.43pm: Jay asks about a dinner with News International editorial staff.12.43pm: Jay asks about a dinner with News International editorial staff.
The diary entry says "Dinner meeting with Colin Myler [editor of the News of the World] and Lucy Panton [News of the World crime reporter] at the Ivy Club", which is upstairs from the Ivy restaurant.The diary entry says "Dinner meeting with Colin Myler [editor of the News of the World] and Lucy Panton [News of the World crime reporter] at the Ivy Club", which is upstairs from the Ivy restaurant.
Yates says it was a normal meeting to further each other's knowledge as Myler had just started as editor.Yates says it was a normal meeting to further each other's knowledge as Myler had just started as editor.
Panton is married to a detective at the Met, Jay points out.Panton is married to a detective at the Met, Jay points out.
Yates says he has known Panton for about a decade and he would have met her two or three times a year.Yates says he has known Panton for about a decade and he would have met her two or three times a year.
12.42pm: Guardian deputy editor Ian Katz has just tweeted:12.42pm: Guardian deputy editor Ian Katz has just tweeted:
Former NoW deputy editor, Neil Wallis, later arrested, visited Yard at Yates's invitation weeks after Yates dismissed Gdn's hacking claimsFormer NoW deputy editor, Neil Wallis, later arrested, visited Yard at Yates's invitation weeks after Yates dismissed Gdn's hacking claims
— ian katz (@iankatz1000) March 1, 2012— ian katz (@iankatz1000) March 1, 2012
12.41pm: Yates says there was no evidence to suggest that knowlege of phone hacking went to the very top of News International.12.41pm: Yates says there was no evidence to suggest that knowlege of phone hacking went to the very top of News International.
12.38pm: Another dinner meeting with Neil Wallis is entered in the diary. It was at Scott's but doesn't feature in the hospitality register. This was because it was a private appointment, says Yates.12.38pm: Another dinner meeting with Neil Wallis is entered in the diary. It was at Scott's but doesn't feature in the hospitality register. This was because it was a private appointment, says Yates.
Yates had another private appointment with Candy and Wallis at Ciccionis in Burtlington Gardens on 1 October 2009.Yates had another private appointment with Candy and Wallis at Ciccionis in Burtlington Gardens on 1 October 2009.
"It's exactly the same point, is it?" asks Jay. Yes, says Yates."It's exactly the same point, is it?" asks Jay. Yes, says Yates.
A lunch on 14 September 2009was cancelled.A lunch on 14 September 2009was cancelled.
On 5 November 2009 there was another appointment with Wallis at New Scotland Yard, arranged by Yates.On 5 November 2009 there was another appointment with Wallis at New Scotland Yard, arranged by Yates.
Yates says he can't be certain of the timing, but he believes it was a meeting with Dick Fedorcio in relation to PR consulting from Wallis's company Chamy Media.Yates says he can't be certain of the timing, but he believes it was a meeting with Dick Fedorcio in relation to PR consulting from Wallis's company Chamy Media.
12.35pm: Jay asks Yates about his relationship with Wallis. He attended football matches with Wallis.12.35pm: Jay asks Yates about his relationship with Wallis. He attended football matches with Wallis.
He adds that Wallis is "a good friend, he certainly was a good friend, I haven't seen him for nigh on a year".He adds that Wallis is "a good friend, he certainly was a good friend, I haven't seen him for nigh on a year".
(Wallis ended up with a PR contract with the Met when he quit News of the World. He was arrested last year as part of the Met's Operation Weeting investigation into phone hacking.)(Wallis ended up with a PR contract with the Met when he quit News of the World. He was arrested last year as part of the Met's Operation Weeting investigation into phone hacking.)
12.30pm: On 3 June 2009, Yates had a private appointment with Wallis and Nick Candy for dinner at Scalini's.12.30pm: On 3 June 2009, Yates had a private appointment with Wallis and Nick Candy for dinner at Scalini's.
(Candy is one of the best-known property developers in London. He and his brother developed One Hyde Park in Knightsbridge.)(Candy is one of the best-known property developers in London. He and his brother developed One Hyde Park in Knightsbridge.)
Yates: "It was a private appointment, it was friends. Nothing to do with policing at all, that's why it says private appointment. Nick Candy is a friend who works in property."Yates: "It was a private appointment, it was friends. Nothing to do with policing at all, that's why it says private appointment. Nick Candy is a friend who works in property."
Jay: "Someone called Neil Reading also attended."Jay: "Someone called Neil Reading also attended."
Yates: "Neil Reading is a friend he works in PR. It shouldn't actually be in the diary because it's a private appointment."Yates: "Neil Reading is a friend he works in PR. It shouldn't actually be in the diary because it's a private appointment."
Yates says they were more likely to have been discussing football than police matters at this dinner.Yates says they were more likely to have been discussing football than police matters at this dinner.
12.28pm: Jay is now looking at a compilation of his diary entries involving contact with the media. He asks Yates about an entry for 28 April 2009 when a dinner was organised with an "SPS", (Met press chief) Dick Fedorcio and (former News of the World executive editor) Neil Wallis.12.28pm: Jay is now looking at a compilation of his diary entries involving contact with the media. He asks Yates about an entry for 28 April 2009 when a dinner was organised with an "SPS", (Met press chief) Dick Fedorcio and (former News of the World executive editor) Neil Wallis.
That was at a restaurant called Luciano's. Yates didn't attend the dinner in the end and doesn't know what the purpose of the meeting was, he says.That was at a restaurant called Luciano's. Yates didn't attend the dinner in the end and doesn't know what the purpose of the meeting was, he says.
12.25pm: In 2009 Jay says Tim Godwin, deputy commissioner at the time, said there should be less contact with the media.12.25pm: In 2009 Jay says Tim Godwin, deputy commissioner at the time, said there should be less contact with the media.
"I think Tim was of the view the media was the enemy and we shouldn't be in contact with them," says Yates."I think Tim was of the view the media was the enemy and we shouldn't be in contact with them," says Yates.
Yates says he doesn't accept that this was to do with phone hacking as there was no investigation into newspapers running at the time.Yates says he doesn't accept that this was to do with phone hacking as there was no investigation into newspapers running at the time.
12.22pm: The inquiry is now looking at the police hospitality register. It would not include any occasion when drinks or coffee were bought.12.22pm: The inquiry is now looking at the police hospitality register. It would not include any occasion when drinks or coffee were bought.
Yates says if it's reciprocal it doens't count. "If you are bought a drink and buy one back I don't consider that hospitality," he says.Yates says if it's reciprocal it doens't count. "If you are bought a drink and buy one back I don't consider that hospitality," he says.
He says he would have used his "personal money" and wouldn't have claimed for these drinks.He says he would have used his "personal money" and wouldn't have claimed for these drinks.
Yates adds that he would have had a drink in "sensible quantities" on occasions in evening meetings with journalists.Yates adds that he would have had a drink in "sensible quantities" on occasions in evening meetings with journalists.
12.21pm: Yates says he was "briefed against on an industrial scale" when he led the police's "cash for honours" investigation in 2006/07 and that this did not help when he was involved in anti-terrorism.12.21pm: Yates says he was "briefed against on an industrial scale" when he led the police's "cash for honours" investigation in 2006/07 and that this did not help when he was involved in anti-terrorism.
It put me in the public eye – that was unhelpful … allegations made against me … I was in the counter-terrorist [unit], that [media comment] was not necesarily a good thing," he says.It put me in the public eye – that was unhelpful … allegations made against me … I was in the counter-terrorist [unit], that [media comment] was not necesarily a good thing," he says.
12.19pm: Jay asks Yates if there were some occasions when alcohol was imbibed that the press might have been trying to get more out of him – in terms of a comment, or trying to influence him.12.19pm: Jay asks Yates if there were some occasions when alcohol was imbibed that the press might have been trying to get more out of him – in terms of a comment, or trying to influence him.
"I can certainly see your point Mr Jay, but as an individual I can say that hasn't happened," Yates says."I can certainly see your point Mr Jay, but as an individual I can say that hasn't happened," Yates says.
12.15pm: Yates says in his written statement that he was the "public face for policing an policy matters" .12.15pm: Yates says in his written statement that he was the "public face for policing an policy matters" .
He says he would have had a very "broad spectrum of coverage of the media", adding that he would deliberately seek out some of the more obscure sections in terms of the views they hold.He says he would have had a very "broad spectrum of coverage of the media", adding that he would deliberately seek out some of the more obscure sections in terms of the views they hold.
12.11pm: Yates says he had a "healthy and transparent" relationship with the media that may have included informal lunches.12.11pm: Yates says he had a "healthy and transparent" relationship with the media that may have included informal lunches.
The vast majority of his dealings wth the media would have been to do with the strategic policies he was exposed to, whether it be data retention, rape policy and so on.The vast majority of his dealings wth the media would have been to do with the strategic policies he was exposed to, whether it be data retention, rape policy and so on.
I think there's great value in that, in testing policy, testing views and getting views back. The last thing we would want is policy in a bubble or in a vacuum where policing isn't connected to other thinking.I think there's great value in that, in testing policy, testing views and getting views back. The last thing we would want is policy in a bubble or in a vacuum where policing isn't connected to other thinking.
12.05pm: Former assistant commissioner John Yates is now giving evidence by satellite link.12.05pm: Former assistant commissioner John Yates is now giving evidence by satellite link.
Yates retired as assistant commissioner in November 2011.Yates retired as assistant commissioner in November 2011.
In April 2009 he was the national lead for counter-terrorism in assistant commissioner rank.In April 2009 he was the national lead for counter-terrorism in assistant commissioner rank.
11.37am: The inquiry is now taking a break until 12pm for "brunch".11.37am: The inquiry is now taking a break until 12pm for "brunch".
This is because John Yates, the former assistant commissioner of the Met Police, is giving evidence by satellite at midday.This is because John Yates, the former assistant commissioner of the Met Police, is giving evidence by satellite at midday.
Following his resignation from the Met last summer, Yates took up a new post in Bahrain advising the police force.Following his resignation from the Met last summer, Yates took up a new post in Bahrain advising the police force.
11.35am: Jay asks Clarke if he had any contact with Yates in 2009 in relation to phone hacking. No, says Clarke, but he did have discussions with him in July 2011 before their select committe appearances.11.35am: Jay asks Clarke if he had any contact with Yates in 2009 in relation to phone hacking. No, says Clarke, but he did have discussions with him in July 2011 before their select committe appearances.
11.34am: Clarke says if the police make a decision that arrest and prosecution is not the best way to deal with criminality, perhaps that needs to be shared so there is a better understanding, so that accusations [of a cover-up] can be proved to be "baseless".11.34am: Clarke says if the police make a decision that arrest and prosecution is not the best way to deal with criminality, perhaps that needs to be shared so there is a better understanding, so that accusations [of a cover-up] can be proved to be "baseless".
11.32am: Jay has now finished questioning Clarke.11.32am: Jay has now finished questioning Clarke.
Leveson says there is no doubt that "there is rather an unfortunate catalogue of events" in relation to the phone-hacking inquiry in 2006, the result of which is now "potentially extremely damaging" and therefore needs to be explained.Leveson says there is no doubt that "there is rather an unfortunate catalogue of events" in relation to the phone-hacking inquiry in 2006, the result of which is now "potentially extremely damaging" and therefore needs to be explained.
He says he recognises that he views material from a policeman's eyes, but he would like to know if there is anything Clarke would like to add by way of comment on his role in this operation, or in relation to what he knows what happened subsequently.He says he recognises that he views material from a policeman's eyes, but he would like to know if there is anything Clarke would like to add by way of comment on his role in this operation, or in relation to what he knows what happened subsequently.
11.32am: The BBC's Ross Hawkins has just tweeted:11.32am: The BBC's Ross Hawkins has just tweeted:
Important suggestion that then home sec John Reid received briefing on phone hacking #levesonImportant suggestion that then home sec John Reid received briefing on phone hacking #leveson
— Ross Hawkins (@rosschawkins) March 1, 2012— Ross Hawkins (@rosschawkins) March 1, 2012
11.29am: Clarke reveals that David Blunkett, the then home secretary, was personally informed by the then commissioner.11.29am: Clarke reveals that David Blunkett, the then home secretary, was personally informed by the then commissioner.
To this day, he does not know why Prescott wasn't informed.To this day, he does not know why Prescott wasn't informed.
11.28am: Calarke says he doesn't think the police made a mistake on extending the phone hacking inquiry, but admits its strategy for informing victims was not so successful.11.28am: Calarke says he doesn't think the police made a mistake on extending the phone hacking inquiry, but admits its strategy for informing victims was not so successful.
"To this day I don't reallly understand why it [the strategy] didn't work," he says."To this day I don't reallly understand why it [the strategy] didn't work," he says.
11.26am: Clarke says it "wouldn't [have been] for me to to go to Lord Prescott" whose phone was hacked when he was then deputy prime minister.11.26am: Clarke says it "wouldn't [have been] for me to to go to Lord Prescott" whose phone was hacked when he was then deputy prime minister.
He says it was "absolutely" his understanding that Prescott ought to have been notified by the police.He says it was "absolutely" his understanding that Prescott ought to have been notified by the police.
Prescott was not, however, informed.Prescott was not, however, informed.
Clarke says he didn't that Mulcaire allegedly had the names of people under the witness protection scheme but it would not have changed the decision to widen the inquiry.Clarke says he didn't that Mulcaire allegedly had the names of people under the witness protection scheme but it would not have changed the decision to widen the inquiry.
11.25am: Clarke says he briefed Hayman in the runup the arrest of Goodman and Mulcaire, but he doesn't remember specifics.11.25am: Clarke says he briefed Hayman in the runup the arrest of Goodman and Mulcaire, but he doesn't remember specifics.
He does not remember briefing Hayman on the decision not to broaden the investigation into phone hacking. He does not remember anything Hayman might or might not have said about this decision.He does not remember briefing Hayman on the decision not to broaden the investigation into phone hacking. He does not remember anything Hayman might or might not have said about this decision.
11.21am: Leveson puts it to Clarke that he could say the force just didn't consider it important enough to investigate phone hacking.11.21am: Leveson puts it to Clarke that he could say the force just didn't consider it important enough to investigate phone hacking.
Clarke says Leveson has got it nearly "spot on".Clarke says Leveson has got it nearly "spot on".
The minutiae of whether there was circumstantial evidence against journalist A, B, C, is a minor consideration in comparison to … a threat to the life a member of the British public.The minutiae of whether there was circumstantial evidence against journalist A, B, C, is a minor consideration in comparison to … a threat to the life a member of the British public.
Invasions of privacy are odious, distressing and illegal …. but to put to bluntly they don't kill you, terrorists do.Invasions of privacy are odious, distressing and illegal …. but to put to bluntly they don't kill you, terrorists do.
11.18am: Clarke repeats his earlier assertions that it was difficult to turn information into evidence that could lead to further arrests.11.18am: Clarke repeats his earlier assertions that it was difficult to turn information into evidence that could lead to further arrests.
"Trying to prove a conspiracy within a major newspaper, it wouldn't get you to the position, or was unlikely to get you to the position, of a successful prosecution," he adds."Trying to prove a conspiracy within a major newspaper, it wouldn't get you to the position, or was unlikely to get you to the position, of a successful prosecution," he adds.
11.12am: Lord Justice Leveson says his first area of interest is "the systemic issue": whether Clarke was told that there was enough evidence to take wider action. Leveson says that is "What the police are facing as you well know, is that this was a decision to cover it all up."11.12am: Lord Justice Leveson says his first area of interest is "the systemic issue": whether Clarke was told that there was enough evidence to take wider action. Leveson says that is "What the police are facing as you well know, is that this was a decision to cover it all up."
His second concern is what was done with the victims of phone hacking and informing them.His second concern is what was done with the victims of phone hacking and informing them.
Leveson stresses that there were several references to the then deputy prime minister, John Prescott, and his assistant in Mulcaire's notes.Leveson stresses that there were several references to the then deputy prime minister, John Prescott, and his assistant in Mulcaire's notes.
However, Clarke says this is not something the police were aware of at the time.However, Clarke says this is not something the police were aware of at the time.
11.07am: Leveson says the "granularity" was missing from the "Olympian" picture that Clarke had of the investigation.11.07am: Leveson says the "granularity" was missing from the "Olympian" picture that Clarke had of the investigation.
Clarke says he sees Leveson's point, but is confident that the briefings he received gave him enough information to make the decision he did.Clarke says he sees Leveson's point, but is confident that the briefings he received gave him enough information to make the decision he did.
The fundamental question was whether they could take the investigation forward in any meaningful way without embarking on a major painstaking analysis of 11,000 pages of Mulcaire's notes at a time when his unit was preoccupied with terrorism, says Clarke.The fundamental question was whether they could take the investigation forward in any meaningful way without embarking on a major painstaking analysis of 11,000 pages of Mulcaire's notes at a time when his unit was preoccupied with terrorism, says Clarke.
11.05am: Clarke tells Jay he was not aware of the "quality of the circumstantial evidence" that might have led to other journalists that may have ordered hacking at the News of the World.11.05am: Clarke tells Jay he was not aware of the "quality of the circumstantial evidence" that might have led to other journalists that may have ordered hacking at the News of the World.
It had taken six or seven months of work to get to the arrest of Goodman and Mulcaire and there was no point in making "speculative arrests" of other journalists on the paper without having evidence to put to them.It had taken six or seven months of work to get to the arrest of Goodman and Mulcaire and there was no point in making "speculative arrests" of other journalists on the paper without having evidence to put to them.
Would it have been reasonable, bearing in mind we were being completely thwarted by News International, to arrest two or three journalists and invite them to make a full and frank confession? … We wouldn't have the substantial issues to put to them.Would it have been reasonable, bearing in mind we were being completely thwarted by News International, to arrest two or three journalists and invite them to make a full and frank confession? … We wouldn't have the substantial issues to put to them.
11.03am: Clarke says he could not have justified releasing officers to work on the phone-hacking investigation because of the terrorist threat.11.03am: Clarke says he could not have justified releasing officers to work on the phone-hacking investigation because of the terrorist threat.
He says the 11,000 pages of Mulcaire's notes had not been analysed at the time; that the investigation would have been an "enormous undertaking" and involved "dozens of officers over weeks if not years".He says the 11,000 pages of Mulcaire's notes had not been analysed at the time; that the investigation would have been an "enormous undertaking" and involved "dozens of officers over weeks if not years".
The fear was what that resource commitment would lead us … it was disproportionate to other competing demands at the time.The fear was what that resource commitment would lead us … it was disproportionate to other competing demands at the time.
He points to the scale of the Met's current phone-hacking investigation, Operation Weeting.He points to the scale of the Met's current phone-hacking investigation, Operation Weeting.
11.00am: Clarke says the decision not to widen the phone-hacking investigation was taken "by the end of September".11.00am: Clarke says the decision not to widen the phone-hacking investigation was taken "by the end of September".
He recalls he had been to Australia and on his return would have been briefed by his most senior team about all aspects of investigation.He recalls he had been to Australia and on his return would have been briefed by his most senior team about all aspects of investigation.
To be honest it [the phone-hacking investigation] was not anywhere near the top of our concerns, because remember we were dealing with the airline plot ... haveing received that briefing, I would have said 'go and see the SIOs, we are not going to go through the enormous exercise of going through that material.'"To be honest it [the phone-hacking investigation] was not anywhere near the top of our concerns, because remember we were dealing with the airline plot ... haveing received that briefing, I would have said 'go and see the SIOs, we are not going to go through the enormous exercise of going through that material.'"
10.59am: Clarke admits that he didn't personally consider going to a magistrate to seek a production order to force News International to hand over documents it had sought, including information on Mulcaire's contracts, floor plans of the News of the World and staff lists.10.59am: Clarke admits that he didn't personally consider going to a magistrate to seek a production order to force News International to hand over documents it had sought, including information on Mulcaire's contracts, floor plans of the News of the World and staff lists.
Leveson asks him to explain why the Met didn't go to court to seek a production order.Leveson asks him to explain why the Met didn't go to court to seek a production order.

Clearly it was just lip service being paid in the responses to the letters from us asking who else was involved … even if a production order had been granted, would that have altered whether it was appropriate to continue with a much broader investigation?
Clearly it was just lip service being paid in the responses to the letters from us asking who else was involved … even if a production order had been granted, would that have altered whether it was appropriate to continue with a much broader investigation?
My thinking was it wouldn't actually make a difference if a production order was in place or not.My thinking was it wouldn't actually make a difference if a production order was in place or not.
10.56am: Calrke says that after the arrest of News of the World royal reporter Clive Goodman on 8 August 2006, it became immediately apparent that the police weren't going to get any co-operation from News International.10.56am: Calrke says that after the arrest of News of the World royal reporter Clive Goodman on 8 August 2006, it became immediately apparent that the police weren't going to get any co-operation from News International.
He was briefed that News International had obstructed a raid in Wapping and its solicitors Burton Copeland had not been co-operative. "This was a closing of the ranks from very early on," he says.He was briefed that News International had obstructed a raid in Wapping and its solicitors Burton Copeland had not been co-operative. "This was a closing of the ranks from very early on," he says.
That sort of attitude would usually have made him more determined to pursue the matter, but he had to take into context the realities at the time.That sort of attitude would usually have made him more determined to pursue the matter, but he had to take into context the realities at the time.
10.55am: Clarke says the parameters were set at the beginning of the phone–hacking investigation - which involved the expectation of arrests, but also deterrents to prevent it happening in the future. This involved working with the mobile phone companies.10.55am: Clarke says the parameters were set at the beginning of the phone–hacking investigation - which involved the expectation of arrests, but also deterrents to prevent it happening in the future. This involved working with the mobile phone companies.
10.53am: Clarke says it is highly likely that others were involved in phone hacking:10.53am: Clarke says it is highly likely that others were involved in phone hacking:
It's the cynical view of an old police officer that if someone is arrested for burglary it's only a slim chance it's their first time as a burglar.It's the cynical view of an old police officer that if someone is arrested for burglary it's only a slim chance it's their first time as a burglar.
10.52am: Clarke is asked about the phone-hacking inquiry and the issues of protecting the royal family.10.52am: Clarke is asked about the phone-hacking inquiry and the issues of protecting the royal family.
He decided the investigation should stay within his anti-terrorist unit for operational reasons – it wouldn't have made sense to move the investigation into a royal threat out of the unit.He decided the investigation should stay within his anti-terrorist unit for operational reasons – it wouldn't have made sense to move the investigation into a royal threat out of the unit.
10.47am: Clarke says the team investigating phone hacking was extremely stretched because of the terrorist threat. He himself didn't have enough resources at the time for anti-terrorism.10.47am: Clarke says the team investigating phone hacking was extremely stretched because of the terrorist threat. He himself didn't have enough resources at the time for anti-terrorism.
Clarke explains he had to borrow officers from all over the country at the time to assist in anti-terrorism – 1,000 extra were drafted in in 2006.Clarke explains he had to borrow officers from all over the country at the time to assist in anti-terrorism – 1,000 extra were drafted in in 2006.
By January 2007, he still had about 200 officers on loan from elsewhere. These were highly specialist oficers, says Clarke.By January 2007, he still had about 200 officers on loan from elsewhere. These were highly specialist oficers, says Clarke.
"These were precious resources which I had been dragging from across the British police for a number of years. I hope that gives some context to the scale of the threat," he says."These were precious resources which I had been dragging from across the British police for a number of years. I hope that gives some context to the scale of the threat," he says.
"Allied to which in 2005 we had 52 people murdered and some 800 people injured in the attacks in London. The subequent airline plot was designed to kill thousands of people. That was the context in which I had to prioritise … the resource available in the anti-terrorist branch.""Allied to which in 2005 we had 52 people murdered and some 800 people injured in the attacks in London. The subequent airline plot was designed to kill thousands of people. That was the context in which I had to prioritise … the resource available in the anti-terrorist branch."
10.45am: Clarke says around this time there were 70 anti-terrorist operations under way in the UK.10.45am: Clarke says around this time there were 70 anti-terrorist operations under way in the UK.
The first two of these very large operations – the fertilister bomb plot and the dirty bomb plot – in 2004. Then in July 2005 there was 7/7 London bombings.The first two of these very large operations – the fertilister bomb plot and the dirty bomb plot – in 2004. Then in July 2005 there was 7/7 London bombings.
"In between these there was a plethora of cases that were a threat to the public.""In between these there was a plethora of cases that were a threat to the public."
He says the resources required to control the threat of suicide bombers are often underestimated. He says the number of staff required was "far in excess" of those required to contain threats such as Irish terrorism.He says the resources required to control the threat of suicide bombers are often underestimated. He says the number of staff required was "far in excess" of those required to contain threats such as Irish terrorism.
They had an "unprecedented number of surveillance teams" involved in the fertiliser bomb threat which may have been used to blow up a nightclub or a shopping centre. All of the surveillance teams in London were used on this.They had an "unprecedented number of surveillance teams" involved in the fertiliser bomb threat which may have been used to blow up a nightclub or a shopping centre. All of the surveillance teams in London were used on this.
This went on for two or three years and culminated with arrests in August 2006 that coincided with the phone-hacking investigation.This went on for two or three years and culminated with arrests in August 2006 that coincided with the phone-hacking investigation.
10.44am: Jay asks if it is standard practice that decision logs are not shown to the deputy assistant commissioner. Yes, says Clarke.10.44am: Jay asks if it is standard practice that decision logs are not shown to the deputy assistant commissioner. Yes, says Clarke.
Jay asks why. Clarke says his role is to be aware of the overall strategy and how an investigation fits into the overall objectives that a branch of the Met is trying to achieve.Jay asks why. Clarke says his role is to be aware of the overall strategy and how an investigation fits into the overall objectives that a branch of the Met is trying to achieve.
10.40am: Jay asks how often Andy Hayman, who was immediately senior to Clarke, was briefed.10.40am: Jay asks how often Andy Hayman, who was immediately senior to Clarke, was briefed.
"Probably not very often," says Clarke."Probably not very often," says Clarke.
He say she remembers when Goodman and Mulcaire came into the picture Clarke gave him his first briefing, because this was the first time that it was suspected that it was the media who were hacking the phones of the royal household. This was around May 2006 – months before the pair were arrested.He say she remembers when Goodman and Mulcaire came into the picture Clarke gave him his first briefing, because this was the first time that it was suspected that it was the media who were hacking the phones of the royal household. This was around May 2006 – months before the pair were arrested.
There were informal briefings subsequently and other briefings that Philip Williams, the senior investigating officer, gave to Hayman at the time.There were informal briefings subsequently and other briefings that Philip Williams, the senior investigating officer, gave to Hayman at the time.
10.37am: Jay moves on to Operation Caryatid, the Met's 2006 phone-hacking inquiry. Clarke says there were regular briefings between him and the investigating officers.10.37am: Jay moves on to Operation Caryatid, the Met's 2006 phone-hacking inquiry. Clarke says there were regular briefings between him and the investigating officers.
Jay says these briefing meetings do not seem to be minuted or documented, and asks if this is standard practice.Jay says these briefing meetings do not seem to be minuted or documented, and asks if this is standard practice.
Clarke says it is, but "the product of the meetings" would be expected to go into the senior investigating officer's decision log.Clarke says it is, but "the product of the meetings" would be expected to go into the senior investigating officer's decision log.
10.35am: Clarke says there is a need for guidelines for contact with the press but stresses they "do need to be flexible and do need to take account of the particular circumstances".10.35am: Clarke says there is a need for guidelines for contact with the press but stresses they "do need to be flexible and do need to take account of the particular circumstances".
He says it would be unhelpful to have rigid guidelines that would force the higher ranks of the force to comply with the same rules as junior officers.He says it would be unhelpful to have rigid guidelines that would force the higher ranks of the force to comply with the same rules as junior officers.
10.34am: Jay cites the example in Clarke's written evidence of a 2007 Met leak inquiry in which the "culprit" was caught.10.34am: Jay cites the example in Clarke's written evidence of a 2007 Met leak inquiry in which the "culprit" was caught.
10.32am: Over his experience over 30 years, the extent of leaks from the MPS has been "greatly exaggerated," says Clarke in his statement.10.32am: Over his experience over 30 years, the extent of leaks from the MPS has been "greatly exaggerated," says Clarke in his statement.
He cites an example of an anti-terrorist operation on 29 July 2005 that was discussed in evidence from Brian Paddick to the Leveson inquiry on Monday.He cites an example of an anti-terrorist operation on 29 July 2005 that was discussed in evidence from Brian Paddick to the Leveson inquiry on Monday.
The intelligence was developed overnight and ended with a stand-off with alleged terrorists and armed officers in a building in London. There was a huge interest in the media and there was a suggestion at the Leveson inquiry that this was because of a leak.The intelligence was developed overnight and ended with a stand-off with alleged terrorists and armed officers in a building in London. There was a huge interest in the media and there was a suggestion at the Leveson inquiry that this was because of a leak.
Clarke says the truth of the matter is that locals tipped of the media.Clarke says the truth of the matter is that locals tipped of the media.
"Over the hours, the amount of local disruptions ... clearly the media heard about it and they turned up," he adds."Over the hours, the amount of local disruptions ... clearly the media heard about it and they turned up," he adds.
10.28am: The inquiry hears that Clarke has only two items in the Gibson Hospitality Register. These were a 2005 rugby game against Australia and a 2006 football game at the Millennium stadium in Cardiff.10.28am: The inquiry hears that Clarke has only two items in the Gibson Hospitality Register. These were a 2005 rugby game against Australia and a 2006 football game at the Millennium stadium in Cardiff.
Meetings with the Crime Reporters' Association did not feature on the register. This is an unofficial grouping of crime reporters and correspondents in British media. It did not include international media, unfortunately, says Clarke.Meetings with the Crime Reporters' Association did not feature on the register. This is an unofficial grouping of crime reporters and correspondents in British media. It did not include international media, unfortunately, says Clarke.
10.25am: Clarke says he could give off-the-record briefings to "responsible journalists" about alleged terrorists who were facing legal action.10.25am: Clarke says he could give off-the-record briefings to "responsible journalists" about alleged terrorists who were facing legal action.
He was "safe in the knowledge" that the journalists would not report what he was telling them because it was part of the case that was coming to court and would have been sub judice.He was "safe in the knowledge" that the journalists would not report what he was telling them because it was part of the case that was coming to court and would have been sub judice.
10.23am: Clarke is asked about the difference between the public interest and the police interest.10.23am: Clarke is asked about the difference between the public interest and the police interest.
He says the reason why he had engagement with the media "in any shape or form" was to "help the public, keep the public safe" in order to give the public confidence so they could bring forward information that would diminish the anti-terrorist threat.He says the reason why he had engagement with the media "in any shape or form" was to "help the public, keep the public safe" in order to give the public confidence so they could bring forward information that would diminish the anti-terrorist threat.
"I was not interested in making the police look good, that was not my agenda," he says."I was not interested in making the police look good, that was not my agenda," he says.
10.19am: Clarke is talking about a meeting with editors at which Rupert Murdoch unexpectedly appeared.10.19am: Clarke is talking about a meeting with editors at which Rupert Murdoch unexpectedly appeared.
Clarke explains the briefing happened after August 2004, when a terrorist had been arrested and there had been clear evidence he had tried to construct a dirty bomb in the UK.Clarke explains the briefing happened after August 2004, when a terrorist had been arrested and there had been clear evidence he had tried to construct a dirty bomb in the UK.
[Met commissioner Sir] John Stevens saw some of this evidence and he was appalled by it, and he directed that he and I should visit a whole range of media outlets … we saw the editors of all the national newspapers.[Met commissioner Sir] John Stevens saw some of this evidence and he was appalled by it, and he directed that he and I should visit a whole range of media outlets … we saw the editors of all the national newspapers.
10.16am: Clarke says he had off-the-record briefings and lunches with the Crime Reporters' Association when he was head of the anti-terrorism unit. He says there was clear scepticism about terrorism in the late 1990s and it was felt it was important to have more informal contact with the media.10.16am: Clarke says he had off-the-record briefings and lunches with the Crime Reporters' Association when he was head of the anti-terrorism unit. He says there was clear scepticism about terrorism in the late 1990s and it was felt it was important to have more informal contact with the media.
He said over the period he was in charge he probably had six lunches with the CRA. They discussed broad issues of strategy and tried to address scepticism and instil a sense of confidence in the force among the Muslim community.He said over the period he was in charge he probably had six lunches with the CRA. They discussed broad issues of strategy and tried to address scepticism and instil a sense of confidence in the force among the Muslim community.
"The purpose was not to make the police look good, but to try to balance the discussion, so the community could have confidence," says Clarke."The purpose was not to make the police look good, but to try to balance the discussion, so the community could have confidence," says Clarke.
10.12am: Clarke is being asked to characterise the relationship between the media and the police, when he was assistant commissioner level in 1999, when he was head of royal protection.10.12am: Clarke is being asked to characterise the relationship between the media and the police, when he was assistant commissioner level in 1999, when he was head of royal protection.
He says it is impossible to describe an overall culture across the Met, as it varies between different departments.He says it is impossible to describe an overall culture across the Met, as it varies between different departments.
When he was commander of royalty and diplomatic protection he had very little contact with the press, he explains. When he went to the anti-terrorist branch, there was a very clear operational requirement to have more contact with the media.When he was commander of royalty and diplomatic protection he had very little contact with the press, he explains. When he went to the anti-terrorist branch, there was a very clear operational requirement to have more contact with the media.
10.09am: Clarke joined the police in 1977 and retired in 2008 when he was assistant commissioner, specialist operations.10.09am: Clarke joined the police in 1977 and retired in 2008 when he was assistant commissioner, specialist operations.
He was in charge of S013, the anti-terrorist unit which also handled royal protection, from 2002 to 2008. SO13 was was tasked with investigating phone hacking in 2006.He was in charge of S013, the anti-terrorist unit which also handled royal protection, from 2002 to 2008. SO13 was was tasked with investigating phone hacking in 2006.
10.08am: Peter Clarke is the first witness to give evidence.10.08am: Peter Clarke is the first witness to give evidence.
Robert Jay QC, counsel to the inqquiry, is doing the questioning.Robert Jay QC, counsel to the inqquiry, is doing the questioning.
10.07am: The inquiry has started with a rebuke by Lord Justice Leveson for core participants who allegedly have leaked witness statements before they are formally read into the inquiry.10.07am: The inquiry has started with a rebuke by Lord Justice Leveson for core participants who allegedly have leaked witness statements before they are formally read into the inquiry.
9.52am: Hayman was given grilling by the home affairs select committee last year.9.52am: Hayman was given grilling by the home affairs select committee last year.
Tory MP Lorraine Fullbrook said the public would see him as a "dodgy geezer" and accused of "cosying up to News International".Tory MP Lorraine Fullbrook said the public would see him as a "dodgy geezer" and accused of "cosying up to News International".
"More like Clouseau than Columbo," said the committee chairman Keith Vaz."More like Clouseau than Columbo," said the committee chairman Keith Vaz.
When he joined the Metropolitan police he was dogged by allegations about his private life, his expense claims and allegedly botched anti-terrorist operations.When he joined the Metropolitan police he was dogged by allegations about his private life, his expense claims and allegedly botched anti-terrorist operations.
9.51am: Welcome to the Leveson inquiry live blog.9.51am: Welcome to the Leveson inquiry live blog.
Three heavy hitters will give evidence today – all former senior Scotland Yard staff who, in one way or another, got embroiled in the phone hacking scandal.Three heavy hitters will give evidence today – all former senior Scotland Yard staff who, in one way or another, got embroiled in the phone hacking scandal.
Ex-assistant commissioner John Yates, who was forced to resign over the scandal last summer, will give evidence by satellite at noon. He is now working for the Bahraini police force,Ex-assistant commissioner John Yates, who was forced to resign over the scandal last summer, will give evidence by satellite at noon. He is now working for the Bahraini police force,
Yates resigned last July amid criticism of his decision in 2009 not to reopen the phone-hacking investigation after the Guardian published a story revealing that the illegal practice was more widespread than previously believed.Yates resigned last July amid criticism of his decision in 2009 not to reopen the phone-hacking investigation after the Guardian published a story revealing that the illegal practice was more widespread than previously believed.
Also up is the Met's former deputy assistant commissioner Peter Clarke, who told MPs last year there was "prevarication and what we now know to be lies" told by News International, which he claimed deliberately tried to thwart a police investigation.Also up is the Met's former deputy assistant commissioner Peter Clarke, who told MPs last year there was "prevarication and what we now know to be lies" told by News International, which he claimed deliberately tried to thwart a police investigation.
Clarke was head of the Met's anti-terrorism unit SO13 in 2006 during the first phone-hacking investigation, Operation Caryatid, and reported to assistant commissioner Andy Hayman.Clarke was head of the Met's anti-terrorism unit SO13 in 2006 during the first phone-hacking investigation, Operation Caryatid, and reported to assistant commissioner Andy Hayman.
Deputy assistant commissioner John Yates was responsible for the specialist crime unit at the time and had no involvement in specialist operations, including SO13.Deputy assistant commissioner John Yates was responsible for the specialist crime unit at the time and had no involvement in specialist operations, including SO13.
He was named yesterday at the inquiry as the man who decided not to widen the original phone hacking inquiry in 2006, despite seizing evidence from Glenn Mulcaire's home that suggested as many as "418 or 419" phone hacking victims and evidence which suggested it wasn't just the royal editor who was hacking phones.He was named yesterday at the inquiry as the man who decided not to widen the original phone hacking inquiry in 2006, despite seizing evidence from Glenn Mulcaire's home that suggested as many as "418 or 419" phone hacking victims and evidence which suggested it wasn't just the royal editor who was hacking phones.
Clarke may also face questions after reports he gave Rupert Murdoch a face-to-face briefing over an ongoing anti-terror operation.Clarke may also face questions after reports he gave Rupert Murdoch a face-to-face briefing over an ongoing anti-terror operation.
The third witness is former Met assistant commissioner Andy Hayman.The third witness is former Met assistant commissioner Andy Hayman.
Hayman, who became a columnist for the Times after retiring from Scotland Yard, was described as "a dodgy geezer" and "more Clouseau than Columbo" by an MP on the Commons home affairs select committee.Hayman, who became a columnist for the Times after retiring from Scotland Yard, was described as "a dodgy geezer" and "more Clouseau than Columbo" by an MP on the Commons home affairs select committee.
Former Met commissioner Sir Paul Stephenson was due to give evidence today but has been rescheduled for Monday.Former Met commissioner Sir Paul Stephenson was due to give evidence today but has been rescheduled for Monday.
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