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NHS bill: Lords and MPs debating healthcare shake-up NHS bill: Lords and MPs debating healthcare shake-up
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Controversial plans to overhaul the way the NHS is run in England are again being debated in the Lords, as Labour says the bill can still be stopped. Controversial plans to overhaul the way the NHS is run in England are being debated in the Lords, as Labour says the bill can still be stopped.
Peers are examining the Health and Social Care Bill while a Labour-led NHS debate takes place in the Commons.Peers are examining the Health and Social Care Bill while a Labour-led NHS debate takes place in the Commons.
Labour says it will support a motion by rebel Lib Dem MPs calling for the bill to be dropped.Labour says it will support a motion by rebel Lib Dem MPs calling for the bill to be dropped.
But health minister Simon Burns told the BBC he was "very confident" it would become law by the spring. But Health Minister Simon Burns told the BBC he was "very confident" it would become law by the spring.
The legislation is now coming to the end of its report stage in the Lords and is expected to become law within weeks. The legislation is now coming to the end of its report stage in the Lords. The final debate at third reading is expected next Monday - after which it will return to the Commons for MPs to examine changes made in the Lords.
While peers debate the legislation, MPs are debating Labour's motion: "That this House: notes the href="http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/22670" >e-petition signed by 170,000 people calling on the government to drop the health and social care bill; and declines to support the bill in its current form." On Tuesday the government won a series of votes in the Lords - on abolishing the General Social Care Council, the National Patient Safety Agency and on a bid to clarify the law to ensure the Human Rights Act applied when people were being cared for in their own homes - the government argued it already applied.
Meanwhile MPs are debating Labour's motion: "That this House: notes the e-petition signed by 170,000 people calling on the government to drop the Health and Social Care Bill; and declines to support the bill in its current form."
Rebel amendmentRebel amendment
Five Lib Dem backbenchers, Andrew George, John Pugh, Adrian Sanders, Greg Mulholland and David Ward have put forward their own amendment which "declines to support the Bill in its current form" and calls for an "urgent summit" of government, health and patients' groups to plan reforms "based on the coalition agreement". Five Lib Dem backbench MPs - Andrew George, John Pugh, Adrian Sanders, Greg Mulholland and David Ward - have put forward their own amendment which "declines to support the bill in its current form" and calls for an "urgent summit" of government, health and patients' groups to plan reforms.
Labour sources have told the BBC the party will back the amendment, to try to bolster Lib Dem opposition and build a cross-party alliance to defeat the Bill, ahead of its final reading in the Commons next week. Labour sources have told the BBC the party will back the amendment, to try to bolster Lib Dem opposition and build a cross-party alliance to defeat the bill ahead of its final reading in the Commons next week.
The bill gives GPs and other clinicians much more responsibility for spending the NHS budget in England and encourages greater competition with the private sector and charities. In the Commons, Shadow health secretary Andy Burnham said he feared it was "now sheer gut loyalty, political pride and the need to save face that are the only forces driving a deeply defective Bill towards the statute book".
But Health Secretary Andrew Lansley said Labour's call for the bill to be abandoned were "a desperate ploy from a desperate party".
The bill gives GPs and other clinicians much more responsibility for spending the NHS budget in England, and encourages greater competition with the private sector and charities.
The government says changes are needed to make the NHS more efficient and better equipped to deal with challenges such as an ageing population and the rising costs of new drugs and treatments.The government says changes are needed to make the NHS more efficient and better equipped to deal with challenges such as an ageing population and the rising costs of new drugs and treatments.
But many groups representing medical professionals have come out against the plans and Labour say such a huge reorganisation should not be forced on the NHS when it is under intense financial pressure. But many groups representing medical professionals have come out against the plans, and Labour says such a huge reorganisation should not be forced on the NHS when it is under intense financial pressure.
Risk register
At the Lib Dem spring conference in Gateshead at the weekend, a vote on "killing" the bill altogether was avoided - in favour of a debate on a more pro-reform motion in the name of Baroness Williams. However activists voted to remove a line calling for Lib Dem peers to back the bill's final stages.
Last week the government lost a Freedom of Information case and was told to publish a risk assessment of the plans, drawn up in autumn 2010, before the bill was introduced in Parliament.
Shadow Health Secretary Andy Burnham told the BBC the two developments showed the bill was "in crisis" and said the Lib Dem vote offered a "new opportunity to develop an agreement between Labour and the Liberal Democrats".
Crossbench peer Lord Owen has put down his own amendment, saying the bill should not get its Third Reading, until the risk register is published - Mr Burnham said he believed that could be a "serious threat" to the legislation.
He said: "Time is running out for the NHS. This damaging bill could be through Parliament in a week's time. But yes, we can still stop this bill."
'Improved bill'
The government says it is awaiting the full FOI ruling about the risk assessment, before it decides on its next steps.
Conservative health minister Simon Burns told the BBC he believed there was "no need for further changes" to the "strengthened and improved" bill - having already consulted Lib Dems, crossbenchers and some Labour peers - and said it should be allowed through to give "stability" to the NHS.
He said he was "very confident" the bill would be law by the spring and accused Lord Owen of tabling a "wrecking amendment".
"We can't afford more destabilising and delays in the bill simply because Lord Owen and the Labour Party don't support the proposals."
Lib Dem peer Lord Clement-Jones said Lib Dem activists found it hard to understand the progress made on the bill in the House of Lords and said Lib Dem peers would carry on supporting the Bill.
Meanwhile the Royal College of GPs, which opposes the bill, has indicated it is willing to work with the government on implementing the changes.Meanwhile the Royal College of GPs, which opposes the bill, has indicated it is willing to work with the government on implementing the changes.
Plaid Cymru's health spokesman at Westminster, MP Hywel Williams, said that the bill - which applies to England - would have "significant effects" on Welsh patients. Plaid Cymru's health spokesman at Westminster, MP Hywel Williams, said that the bill - which applies to England - would have "significant effects" on Welsh patients who used specialist NHS services in England. And he said longer term funding problems could arise - because there could be a cut in Wales's funding under the Barnett formula, if health spending in England were to fall.
He said specialist NHS services in England, used by Welsh patients, would be under threat and longer term funding problems could arise - because there could be a cut in Wales's funding under the Barnett formula, if health spending in England were to fall.
He said: "The funding formula for Wales must be changed so that Welsh patients don't pay the penalty for English politicians' decisions."