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| David Davies: Housing benefit reform working better outside Wales | David Davies: Housing benefit reform working better outside Wales |
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| Changes to housing benefits are not working as well in Wales as other parts of the UK, says a senior Conservative MP. | |
| David Davies, on a visit to Blaenavon, Torfaen, blamed a shortage of smaller properties for people on benefits to move into compared to large cities. | David Davies, on a visit to Blaenavon, Torfaen, blamed a shortage of smaller properties for people on benefits to move into compared to large cities. |
| The reforms see housing association and council tenants having benefits cut if they are deemed to have spare bedrooms. | The reforms see housing association and council tenants having benefits cut if they are deemed to have spare bedrooms. |
| Since April it has meant a 14% cut for one spare room and 25% for two. | Since April it has meant a 14% cut for one spare room and 25% for two. |
| Mr Davies is chairman of the UK Parliament's Welsh Affairs Select Committee which is looking at how the changes - and what critics have called the "bedroom tax" - are working in Wales. | |
| The committee is due to publish its own report on the changes shortly. | The committee is due to publish its own report on the changes shortly. |
| Monmouth MP Mr Davies said: "These reforms are not working as well in Wales as in London or Birmingham where there is a larger stock of smaller properties." | Monmouth MP Mr Davies said: "These reforms are not working as well in Wales as in London or Birmingham where there is a larger stock of smaller properties." |
| He was speaking as the BBC Wales Week in Week Out programme went behind the scenes with Bron Afon Housing Association, which has 509 properties in Blaenavon but only 23 one-bedroom flats. | He was speaking as the BBC Wales Week in Week Out programme went behind the scenes with Bron Afon Housing Association, which has 509 properties in Blaenavon but only 23 one-bedroom flats. |
| A third of the larger homes are under-occupied and affected by the benefit changes. | A third of the larger homes are under-occupied and affected by the benefit changes. |
| Mr Davies met residents in the town as part of Tuesday's programme. | Mr Davies met residents in the town as part of Tuesday's programme. |
| He said ministers should be up front that some people would lose out from the UK government changes when they did not deserve to. | He said ministers should be up front that some people would lose out from the UK government changes when they did not deserve to. |
| One woman is losing £21 a week due to the changes and now faces having to leave Blaenavon where her family has lived for generations. | One woman is losing £21 a week due to the changes and now faces having to leave Blaenavon where her family has lived for generations. |
| Gail Harris has rented the same three-bedroom house for 25 years and now faces the prospect of having to leave the town if she cannot find a smaller property. | Gail Harris has rented the same three-bedroom house for 25 years and now faces the prospect of having to leave the town if she cannot find a smaller property. |
| She has more than £400 arrears and said the changes were "really cruel". | She has more than £400 arrears and said the changes were "really cruel". |
| Mr Davies told the 59-year-old he was "sorry" that she may be one of the people who could lose out. | Mr Davies told the 59-year-old he was "sorry" that she may be one of the people who could lose out. |
| "There has to be a recognition - and ministers may be reluctant to do this - when you change the law there are unforeseen and unfortunate consequences," he told her. | "There has to be a recognition - and ministers may be reluctant to do this - when you change the law there are unforeseen and unfortunate consequences," he told her. |
| "In other words there are some people who will lose out who don't deserve to lose out - and I believe you could be one of those and I am really sorry for that." | "In other words there are some people who will lose out who don't deserve to lose out - and I believe you could be one of those and I am really sorry for that." |
| He added: "That doesn't mean we can reverse the whole thing or change it, because there is a wider issue. | He added: "That doesn't mean we can reverse the whole thing or change it, because there is a wider issue. |
| "With limited housing stock and very limited money you can't have a situation where large numbers of people are under occupying - people living on their own in social housing with two or three bedrooms. | "With limited housing stock and very limited money you can't have a situation where large numbers of people are under occupying - people living on their own in social housing with two or three bedrooms. |
| "That situation couldn't be allowed to continue." | "That situation couldn't be allowed to continue." |
| Mr Davies also provoked anger when he spoke to a young couple. | Mr Davies also provoked anger when he spoke to a young couple. |
| "You are not going to like what I have to say to you," he told 17-year-old Amy Evans and her partner Lloyd Mulry. | "You are not going to like what I have to say to you," he told 17-year-old Amy Evans and her partner Lloyd Mulry. |
| "The government have brought this in because we are in a terrible financial situation - absolutely unbelievable. | "The government have brought this in because we are in a terrible financial situation - absolutely unbelievable. |
| "And the days when we were able to fund people in your situation are gone." | "And the days when we were able to fund people in your situation are gone." |
| He told Amy he would move back home if he was in their position and that Lloyd should leave Wales for somewhere like London if he could not find work in Blaenavon. | He told Amy he would move back home if he was in their position and that Lloyd should leave Wales for somewhere like London if he could not find work in Blaenavon. |
| Housing officer Claire Dullea told the programme she could see why the legislation had been introduced. | Housing officer Claire Dullea told the programme she could see why the legislation had been introduced. |
| But she added: "If we haven't got those one bedrooms available for people to be able to move into then it's not going to happen - and those people left in the three-bedroom houses paying the bedroom tax are really, really struggling." | But she added: "If we haven't got those one bedrooms available for people to be able to move into then it's not going to happen - and those people left in the three-bedroom houses paying the bedroom tax are really, really struggling." |
| Week In Week Out is on BBC One Wales, Tuesday 8 October at 22:35 BST. | Week In Week Out is on BBC One Wales, Tuesday 8 October at 22:35 BST. |