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Why do people believe women aren’t funny? Why do people believe women aren’t funny?
(7 months later)
The BBC has decided to no The BBC has decided to no longer make any all-male panel shows. I personally would suggest a reduction of panel shows in general. If current trends persist, soon we’ll be seeing a panel show where a panel of comedians has to answer questions about things that happened on other panel shows, and the whole format will disappear up its own conceptual backside in a puff of self-awareness.
longer make any all-male panel shows. I personally would suggest a
reduction of panel shows in general. If current trends persist, soon we’ll be
seeing a panel show where a panel of comedians has to answer questions about
things that happened on other panel shows, and the whole format will disappear
up its own conceptual backside in a puff of self-awareness.
Or not. I don’t know, I don’t watch much TV if I’m honest.Or not. I don’t know, I don’t watch much TV if I’m honest.
But one consequence of this has been to reignite But one consequence of this has been to reignite the dreaded “women aren’t funny” argument, the comedy world’s answer to “creationism is a science”, in that it’s a ridiculous notion with no supporting evidence, but people keep bringing it up again and again because it conforms to their own views.
the dreaded “women Many commenters are predictably/depressingly claiming that the existence of an official policy to get women on panel shows proves they aren’t as funny as men. If you know anything about the comedy and the TV industry, this is akin to saying “the fact that women need to have the right to vote enshrined in law PROVES they don’t deserve it”. The assumption that the existing system is 100% fair is laughably naive. Any official recognition of this is a good thing.
aren’t funny” argument, the comedy world’s answer to “creationism But where exactly does this assumption that women aren’t funny come from? Panel shows probably don’t help. It’s common to see comments online like “Just seen [notable female comedian] on Mock the Week and she was rubbish. Just goes to show, women aren’t funny.” One example of one person failing to meet an entirely subjective standard in a manufactured context is not definitive evidence for making sweeping generalisations about half the human race, yet people do this all the time. But the preconception that women aren’t funny clearly predates mainstream panel shows.
is a science”, in that it’s a ridiculous notion with no supporting People who say “women aren’t funny” as a blanket statement would rarely agree with the opposite “all men are funny”, as they’re clearly not. I try to write funny things but a quick look at the comments on anything I’ve ever written will provide many examples of people who are happy to point out my lack of comedic skills. Even though I’m a man!
evidence, but people keep bringing it up again and again because it conforms to So where does this “women aren’t funny” preconception stem from? There are plenty of scientific theories as to why women wouldn’t be seen as funny, most of which don’t stand up to much scrutiny. There’s a general implication that humour is involved in human mating, being a common way for men to gain attention from women (however ridiculously). Indeed, the acronym GSOH is so ubiquitous in dating profiles that it may as well mean “general sort of human”. And men are more well-known for employing seemingly ridiculous tactics with the aim of getting female attention. Is standing on stage for the amusement of strangers the modern human equivalent of the peacock’s tail?
their own views. Even if this is the case, it would be an overly reductive, simplified view of the issue; just one factor among many in a complex whole. So what other sex differences are there that may explain this apparent bias in comedic skills? Well obviously men and women have differently wired brains, which could be expressed as a difference in comedic ability. Except this is largely nonsense. Then there’s the fact that comedy and psychosis are linked, and men are more prone to psychosis and schizophrenia. Except this is largely spurious as well (the comedy and psychosis one; the uneven gender prevalence seems to be legit).
Many commenters are predictably/depressingly claiming that the Some argue that the comedic differences go down to the genetic level. In a sense this is correct; the Y chromosome is laughably feeble compared to the mighty X chromosome, and may not even be needed. Then there are of course the anatomical differences, which may also be a factor. The external male genitals are generally funnier than the internal female ones, because you can do puppetry with male ones, or put glasses on them.
existence of an official policy to get women on panel shows proves they aren’t Whatever the underpinnings of its origins, the idea that women aren’t funny has become one entrenched by social factors. Women haven’t exactly been given much opportunity to say anything in the past, let alone make jokes. When so many people still believe a woman’s place is in the home when a comedian’s place is anywhere but, an aversion or bias against women performing comedy (in any context) is probably inevitable.
as funny as men. If you know anything about the comedy and the TV industry, this is One theory is that people organise their knowledge using cognitive schemas, which are frameworks of information that help you analyse and organise new knowledge. Anyone who grows and develops in our society is quite likely to end up with a schema that says “comedy = a thing men do”, and as such will exclude/dismiss any information that challenges that, rather than alter their way of thinking. This may explain why many women also object to other women doing comedy (a common occurrence), or why there are apparently fewer female comics in general. Our schemas are suspected to underpin the maintenance of prejudices and stereotypes. So when people with such a schema in place see a woman doing comedy, they invariably find some way to reject it.
akin to saying “the fact that women need to have the right to vote enshrined in This is why you get clichés like “women comedians only talk about women things”. Quite why talking about things that half the population can relate to is a bad idea for a comedian remains to be determined, but this can usually be translated as “women comedians talk about things from the perspective of a woman”. There’s a good reason for that, can you guess what it is?
law PROVES they don’t deserve it”. The assumption that the existing system is There’s also the criticism of “women comedians are just angry shouty feminists/lesbians”. Not sure if this is a regular claim or just one I happen to have heard a lot, but it’s really underscored by the fact that male comics are all right-wingers with a calm, Zen-like detachment.
100% fair is laughably naive. Any official recognition of this is a good thing. But you can argue it all you want; there will be some people who will never accept that women can be funny and will happily point this out on any blogpost that claims otherwise. Still, it’s their opinion and they’re entitled to it. It’s incredibly limiting though, like insisting “foreign people can’t cook”; you may believe that, but you’re cutting yourself off from so much.
But where exactly does this assumption that women aren’t This will all still be true the next time this argument comes around, like the relentless mindless zombie of a stereotype it really is.
funny come from? Panel shows probably don’t help. It’s common to see comments online
like “Just seen [notable female comedian] on Mock the Week and she was rubbish.
Just goes to show, women aren’t funny.” One example of one person failing to meet
an entirely subjective standard in a manufactured context is not definitive
evidence for making sweeping generalisations about half the human race, yet
people do this all the time. But the preconception that women aren’t funny
clearly predates mainstream panel shows.
People who say “women aren’t funny” as a blanket statement would
rarely agree with the opposite “all men are funny”, as they’re clearly not. I
try to write funny things but a quick look at the comments on anything I’ve
ever written will provide many examples of people who are happy to point
out my lack of comedic skills. Even though I’m a man!
So where does this “women aren’t funny” preconception stem
from? There are plenty of
scientific theories as to why women wouldn’t be seen as funny, most of which don’t
stand up to much scrutiny. There’s a general implication that humour is involved
in human mating, being a common way for men to gain attention
from women (however
ridiculously). Indeed, the acronym GSOH is so
ubiquitous in dating profiles that it may as well mean “general sort of human”.
And men are more well-known for employing seemingly ridiculous tactics with the
aim of getting female attention. Is standing on stage for the amusement of
strangers the modern human equivalent of the peacock’s tail?
Even if this is the case, it would be an overly reductive,
simplified view of the issue; just one factor among many in a complex whole. So
what other sex differences are there that may explain this apparent bias in
comedic skills? Well obviously men and women have differently wired brains,
which could be expressed as a difference in comedic ability. Except this is largely
nonsense. Then there’s the fact that comedy
and psychosis are linked, and
men are more prone to psychosis and schizophrenia. Except this is largely
spurious
as well (the comedy and psychosis one; the uneven gender prevalence seems to be
legit).
Some argue that the comedic differences go down to the
genetic level. In a sense this is correct; the Y
chromosome is laughably feeble compared to the mighty X chromosome, and may
not even be needed. Then there are of course the anatomical differences,
which may also be a factor. The external male genitals are generally funnier
than the internal female ones, because you can do puppetry with male ones, or put
glasses on them.
Whatever the underpinnings of its origins, the idea that
women aren’t funny has become one entrenched by social factors. Women haven’t
exactly been given much opportunity to say anything in the past, let alone make
jokes. When so many people still believe
a woman’s place is in the home when a comedian’s place is anywhere
but, an aversion or bias against women performing comedy (in any context) is
probably inevitable.
One theory is that people organise their knowledge using cognitive
schemas, which are frameworks of information that help you analyse and organise
new knowledge. Anyone who grows and develops in our society is quite likely to
end up with a schema that says “comedy = a thing men
do”, and as such will exclude/dismiss any information that challenges that,
rather than alter their way of thinking. This may explain why many women also
object to other women doing comedy (a common occurrence), or why there are apparently
fewer female comics in general. Our schemas are suspected to underpin the maintenance of
prejudices and stereotypes. So when people with such a schema in place see
a woman doing comedy, they invariably find some way to reject it.
This is why you get clichés like “women comedians only talk
about women things”. Quite why talking about things that half the population
can relate to is a bad idea for a comedian remains to be
determined, but this can usually be translated as “women comedians talk about
things from the perspective of a woman”. There’s a good reason for that, can
you guess what it is?
There’s also the criticism of “women comedians are just
angry shouty feminists/lesbians”. Not sure if this is a regular claim or just
one I happen to have heard a lot, but it’s really underscored by the fact that
male comics are all right-wingers with a calm, Zen-like detachment.
But you can argue it all you want; there will be some people
who will never accept that women can be funny and will happily point this out
on any blogpost that claims otherwise. Still, it’s their opinion and they’re entitled to it. It’s incredibly limiting though, like insisting “foreign people
can’t cook”; you may believe that, but you’re cutting yourself off from so much.
This will all still be true the next time this argument
comes around, like the relentless mindless zombie of a stereotype it really is.
Still, boobs eh? What are they all about?Still, boobs eh? What are they all about?
Dean Burnett isn’t a Dean Burnett isn’t a woman but is a stand-up comic with psychology qualifications, so is sort of able to comment on this kind of thing. He is on Twitter, @garwboy
woman but is a stand-up comic with psychology qualifications, so is sort of
able to comment on this kind of thing. He is on Twitter, @garwboy