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Stuart Kuttner says he knew Milly Dowler's voicemail had been hacked | Stuart Kuttner says he knew Milly Dowler's voicemail had been hacked |
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The former managing editor of the News of the World has said he knew Milly Dowler's voicemail had been hacked after the schoolgirl disappeared in 2002. | The former managing editor of the News of the World has said he knew Milly Dowler's voicemail had been hacked after the schoolgirl disappeared in 2002. |
Stuart Kuttner said he knew the News of the World was "in possession" of a recording of her voicemails, including a purported interview offer for a factory job in Telford. | Stuart Kuttner said he knew the News of the World was "in possession" of a recording of her voicemails, including a purported interview offer for a factory job in Telford. |
Kuttner told jurors at the Old Bailey hacking trial that he passed the information on to the police at the time and if faced with the same situation, he would "do it again today". | Kuttner told jurors at the Old Bailey hacking trial that he passed the information on to the police at the time and if faced with the same situation, he would "do it again today". |
But Kuttner said he did not know that Glenn Mulcaire, who has already pleaded guilty to hacking Dowler's phone, had accessed her voicemail when he contacted Surrey police who were leading the search for the missing schoolgirl in April 2002. | But Kuttner said he did not know that Glenn Mulcaire, who has already pleaded guilty to hacking Dowler's phone, had accessed her voicemail when he contacted Surrey police who were leading the search for the missing schoolgirl in April 2002. |
In the witness box for the second day, Kuttner confirmed that he had telephoned Detective Sergeant Kevin McEntee on 13 April that year and told him the News of the World was "in possession of a recording of a voicemail from Milly Dowler's mobile". | |
Asked by his defence counsel Jonathan Caplan if he had any "involvement" in the "accessing of her voicemail," Kuttner responded "Absolutely not." | Asked by his defence counsel Jonathan Caplan if he had any "involvement" in the "accessing of her voicemail," Kuttner responded "Absolutely not." |
"Did you agree in advance that someone at the News of the World should access her voicemail?" | "Did you agree in advance that someone at the News of the World should access her voicemail?" |
"No, I did not." | "No, I did not." |
"Did you know that Mr Mulcaire accessed her voicemail?" | "Did you know that Mr Mulcaire accessed her voicemail?" |
"No, I did not." | "No, I did not." |
He was asked who told him that her voicemail had been accessed. Kuttner said he could not be certain, but documents he has seen since his arrest in 2011 "suggested that it was a News of the World staff member called Neville Thurlbeck." | |
Asked what Thurlbeck said to him, Kuttner responded: "Whatever he would have said to me, what I did was I passed it on to Surrey police." | Asked what Thurlbeck said to him, Kuttner responded: "Whatever he would have said to me, what I did was I passed it on to Surrey police." |
The jury has previously heard that the News of the World believed it had information that Dowler had run away from home and applied for a job in the Midlands. | The jury has previously heard that the News of the World believed it had information that Dowler had run away from home and applied for a job in the Midlands. |
The paper reported a "new twist" in the hunt for Dowler "when it emerged that messages had been sent to her mobile phone after she had vanished". | The paper reported a "new twist" in the hunt for Dowler "when it emerged that messages had been sent to her mobile phone after she had vanished". |
When told by police that they appeared to be a victim of a hoaxer, the paper changed its story, removing the reference to the voicemails and reporting a "hoax outrage". | When told by police that they appeared to be a victim of a hoaxer, the paper changed its story, removing the reference to the voicemails and reporting a "hoax outrage". |
Asked if he was "aware of any changes between the second and third editions", he replied: "I don't know," adding, "But I think I would have been". | |
Kuttner has been charged with a single count of conspiring with others, including Thurlbeck, to intercept voicemails. He denies the charge. Thurlbeck has pleaded guilty. | Kuttner has been charged with a single count of conspiring with others, including Thurlbeck, to intercept voicemails. He denies the charge. Thurlbeck has pleaded guilty. |
Caplan asked if he knew if the hacking was a "one-off incident" or whether there was "a system" in place at the paper. Kuttner replied: "No, I don't know." | |
"Did you believe that voicemail was being regularly hacked at the News of the World?" | "Did you believe that voicemail was being regularly hacked at the News of the World?" |
"I certainly did not know," Kuttner replied. | "I certainly did not know," Kuttner replied. |
Asked if he was aware of any other occasion in which the News of the World had been involved in the "publication of other people's voicemails", he said: "No, I was not." | |
"My role may have changed from journalist to managing editor, but it is not a form of newspaper work or journalism that I recognise," he said. | "My role may have changed from journalist to managing editor, but it is not a form of newspaper work or journalism that I recognise," he said. |
Kuttner said the first he knew of the arrest of the paper's former royal editor Clive Goodman in August 2006 in connection with phone hacking was when he got to work that day. Security guards at the gates of News International in Wapping told him "there were police officers in the newsroom". | Kuttner said the first he knew of the arrest of the paper's former royal editor Clive Goodman in August 2006 in connection with phone hacking was when he got to work that day. Security guards at the gates of News International in Wapping told him "there were police officers in the newsroom". |
He went in and saw "two or three police officers in the area of Clive Goodman's desk. They wanted to search his desk and his computer." | He went in and saw "two or three police officers in the area of Clive Goodman's desk. They wanted to search his desk and his computer." |
Kuttner told jurors: "I had no suspicion [Goodman was hacking] whatsoever; complete and inexplicable surprise. I did not understand what was going on." | Kuttner told jurors: "I had no suspicion [Goodman was hacking] whatsoever; complete and inexplicable surprise. I did not understand what was going on." |
Goodman was jailed in January 2007 for phone-hacking offences along with Glenn Mulcaire. | Goodman was jailed in January 2007 for phone-hacking offences along with Glenn Mulcaire. |
The trial continues. | The trial continues. |